How bad of a coach was Dan Bylsma

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Won the cup using Michel Therrien's system then proceeded to lose in sometimes brutal fashion for the rest of his time with the Penguins.

Since Sullivan came in the Penguins haven't lost a series and look like a threat to win the Cup once more. Sure he didn't have Kessel and Murray but still had prime Crosby and Malkin. Makes you wonder if Bylsma was the biggest problem with the Penguins during his time there.
According to some people Alain Vigneault is a good coach bc his teams won so clearly Bylsma was a good coach as well bc he won.

We should never look any further into it then that. Ever. Do not factor things like "The talent level of the players" into the equation. Never consider what decisions the coach actually makes. Nope. Did they win? That's it.
 

JBose7

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I joined this board in 2013 to express specifically that Dan Bylsma shouldve been gone after 2012 and the Bruins series sweep was all on him. Bylsma NEVER developed a single young player. Terrible system based on non skilled players. No defensive accountability. No controled entries. 2012 was coaching. No way you lose to a inferior team because your team gets MAD. I could go on but thank good we have Sully now
 

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Dude was a fraud who only won a Cup largely due to MT's system.

There's a reason why he hasn't been hired by anyone in...how long now??? His NHL coaching days are over.

Frankly I wouldn't want him coaching a mini-mite team.
 

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Dude was a fraud who only won a Cup largely due to MT's system.

There's a reason why he hasn't been hired by anyone in...how long now??? His NHL coaching days are over.

Frankly I wouldn't want him coaching a mini-mite team.

There have been like 3 coaching vacancies filled since he was fired. I wouldn't put to much stock into that.
 

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Well, for adult professional athletes, he practiced with beach balls and hula hoops...

A grown man teaching other grown men with beach balls... well that explains MAF being back up worthy for a few years lol.
 

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Part of that is the coach's job. The inmates ran the asylum when he was behind the bench and our players lost their sense of discipline and composure under him. And anyone that follows the team remembers the overall culture that prevailed under him over time.

A lot of this. Also, when the Penguins won the Cup in 2009, Crosby was 21, Letang and Malkin 22, and Fleury 24. They were very, very, very young players who had been to 2 Finals and won a championship already at that age. Toast of the town, huge in the hockey world, tons of attention from the league's advertising. Bylsma was not the guy to be overseeing that.

Those guys seemed to develop this malignant sense of entitlement, like they'd be able to just win a Cup every year for showing up. And they were the team's core, so that seemed to rub off on everyone who joined the locker room. Discipline was horrible, and yes, there was some whining/flopping going on in those days (not to the extent that people act like, but it was apparent). Injuries contributed, too, with Malkin and Crosby missing all that time it seemed like they became frustrated. 2012 was the explosion of all of it, they just came totally unhinged.

Scott Hartnell is something of a troll, but there's a story (I'll have to go find it) that throughout that series he would continually skate by their bench and ask them "What's wrong with you guys? Have you lost your minds?" Last year, as a Blue Jacket, he was asked what had changed about the Penguins since last time he played them in the playoffs and his response was "Sid's not whining all the time." Is he being cheeky in both of those scenarios? Yeah, but I think there's some truth to it.

The team just lost its mindset entirely under Bylsma. Johnston was also a weak coach and his brief tenure was just more of the same. Sullivan came in and pretty much saved the team, but those are almost like lost years for a could've-been dynasty. They still might be again, which is amazing, but again a testament to how young they all were when they won that first Cup.
 
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He's like Mike Yeo bad.
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A lot of this. Also, when the Penguins won the Cup in 2009, Crosby was 21, Letang and Malkin 22, and Fleury 24. They were very, very, very young players who had been to 2 Finals and won a championship already at that age. Toast of the town, huge in the hockey world, tons of attention from the league's advertising. Bylsma was not the guy to be overseeing that.

Those guys seemed to develop this malignant sense of entitlement, like they'd be able to just win a Cup every year for showing up. And they were the team's core, so that seemed to rub off on everyone who joined the locker room. Discipline was horrible, and yes, there was some whining/flopping going on in those days (not to the extent that people act like, but it was apparent). Injuries contributed, too, with Malkin and Crosby missing all that time it seemed like they became frustrated. 2012 was the explosion of all of it, they just came totally unhinged.

Scott Hartnell is something of a troll, but there's a story (I'll have to go find it) that throughout that series he would continually skate by their bench and ask them "What's wrong with you guys? Have you lost your minds?" Last year, as a Blue Jacket, he was asked what had changed about the Penguins since last time he played them in the playoffs and his response was "Sid's not whining all the time." Is he being cheeky in both of those scenarios? Yeah, but I think there's some truth to it.

The team just lost its mindset entirely under Bylsma. Johnston was also a weak coach and his brief tenure was just more of the same. Sullivan came in and pretty much saved the team, but those are almost like lost years for a could've-been dynasty. They still might be again, which is amazing, but again a testament to how young they all were when they won that first Cup.

Yes, when Torts blew up and called the Pens arrogant, he wasn't entirely wrong at the time. They became too complacent and enamored with their early success. Part of it I also pin on Shero and it still kills me how long he kept Bylsma around. I'm guessing some of this had to do with the fact that they were going to be working together in Sochi in 2014, when really, Bylsma should have been replaced sooner.

The 2012 series with the Hartnell Flyers reminded me of that one guy in the classroom that sat behind you and knew how to just flick someone in the ear and watch them lose it, retaliate and get detention.
 

cassius

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Bylsma was a good coach for his first few years in the league - no denying that

Then other coaches adjusted their game plans to counter Bylsma's system.... Bylsma responded with 0 adjustments... and he got outcoached out of the league.

I like to think of it in terms of an MLB analogy. It is like a pitcher who throws a fast ball down the middle every time.

When he starts out and guys do not know whats coming, he will rack up lots of strikeouts. But eventually teams figure out the guy is going to throw a fastball on every pitch and they proceed to hit lots of home runs. If the pitcher does not adjust his approach, he won't be in the league for very long. Bylsma did not adjust his approach.

His problem was a total unwillingness to make any sort of adjustments. He lacked any sort of capability to be flexible and respond to what the other coaches were doing. That is why he is ultimately not in the league anymore.
 

Rich Nixon

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Yes, when Torts blew up and called the Pens arrogant, he wasn't entirely wrong at the time. They became too complacent and enamored with their early success. Part of it I also pin on Shero and it still kills me how long he kept Bylsma around. I'm guessing some of this had to do with the fact that they were going to be working together in Sochi in 2014, when really, Bylsma should have been replaced sooner.

It was amazing how long they were kept around, but there was always an excuse. 2011, the injuries, 2012, weird year/series/move on, 2013...I don't know how he survived that one.

But yeah, the arrogance became organizational. I don't like the Penguins, I mean, I'm a Flyers fan, but I just reviled those teams because they were...hypocritical and entitled and wasting time. The Mario letter was pretty much it for me, there was just something wrong with the franchise at that point. They took their lumps and got humbled a few times by inferior teams and Sid and Geno grew up (I think Letang got less mature and composed since, somehow) and Shero and Bylsma/Johnston are gone and Mario has kinda backed off and they're a much more likable team now. And, whadda ya know, successful!

As a Flyers fan, I know certain organizational attitudes and behaviors can doom a team's on-ice chances. 2010-2014 was the Penguins' insufferable, self-pitying period, and Bylsma just allowed that to fester.
 

Tak7

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"HE WAS TERRIBLE AND HELD US BACK!"

- Euphoric Sabres fans, high from the endless success they've experienced since he left.
 

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