Goose
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Player Discussion How are you feeling about Matthew Knies these days?
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Stephen
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Some rookie ups and downs which is to be expected. Definitely has pro level power forward tools but energy and concentration levels have had their ups and downs. Probably enabled to do more of the star level stuff on a top line with Matthews and Marner which is not appropriate at times. Basically saying he can be more high risk than you’d like. Seems like he’s been rejuvenated a bit after the All-Star break. Very assertive in high traffic areas. His continued growth will really help Marner and Matthews break down the cycle in the playoffs acting like a bowling ball whenever teams attempt to park the bus. Hope he gets even meaner.
He has flashes of high level skill/hands, and generally works hard. He's a very good prospect, but he's not in the same realm guys like Matthews, Marner, Nylander and Rielly were. Hence why we got him in the 2nd round. If he puts it all together he'll make a sizable impact for us. The first line is playing great even if he isn't putting up big numbers, and he doesn't get top PP time.
Hopefully he adds a bit more foot speed. But, he's the type of player we've lacked for awhile (a big LWer with a left shot). If people are disappointed they probably hyped him through the moon.
Hopefully he adds a bit more foot speed. But, he's the type of player we've lacked for awhile (a big LWer with a left shot). If people are disappointed they probably hyped him through the moon.
RunItBackAgain
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No doubt in my mind he’s going to be an absolute beauty for a really long time!
He’s got the entire package. And he’s done a lot of things that have wildly exceeded my expectations. He hasn’t done them consistently yet but every part of his game has wowed me at some point.
Hope we can lock him up to a nice long deal at a lower cap hit.
He’s got the entire package. And he’s done a lot of things that have wildly exceeded my expectations. He hasn’t done them consistently yet but every part of his game has wowed me at some point.
Hope we can lock him up to a nice long deal at a lower cap hit.
He’s exceeded my expectations. Outstanding at puck battles and puck protection, skating is better than I expected, already quite physical, good defensively, good hands, good hockey IQ. For ppl who are disappointed, what were you expecting from a 21 year old, 2nd round pick rookie who’s getting very little PP time?
I’m guessing some ppl are looking at raw points and that’s it, but raw points are heavily dependent on PP opportunities. His 1.83 points/60 mins at even strength is solid - well above some of our vets like Tavares, Bertuzzi, Rielly and Jarnkrok (who are all in the 1.23-1.54 range): NHL Stats
Rookies like Matthews/Marner are the exception, not the rule, and it’s rare to see those kinds of rookie seasons out of anyone but very high picks. He’s a legit top 6 forward for us, who is bringing exceptional physicality/compete/polish for someone so young and inexperienced, I think that’s very impressive for a 21 year old 2nd round pick rook.
I’m guessing some ppl are looking at raw points and that’s it, but raw points are heavily dependent on PP opportunities. His 1.83 points/60 mins at even strength is solid - well above some of our vets like Tavares, Bertuzzi, Rielly and Jarnkrok (who are all in the 1.23-1.54 range): NHL Stats
Rookies like Matthews/Marner are the exception, not the rule, and it’s rare to see those kinds of rookie seasons out of anyone but very high picks. He’s a legit top 6 forward for us, who is bringing exceptional physicality/compete/polish for someone so young and inexperienced, I think that’s very impressive for a 21 year old 2nd round pick rook.
GoonieFace
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Has looked much better lately, does a lot of the dirty work which gives the other 2 space. Has good hands and a good shot.
He understandably hit a wall earlier but the break seems to have rejuvinated him.
He looks like he can be a true power forward in this league, which is still rare.
I thought he would have morecpoints playing with Mitch and Matty, but that is my mistake.
Getting spoiled by how quickly AM, WN, and MM generated offense is not how it normally happens.
I am excited for he and Robertson,, who also has started to look good, in the coming years.
He looks like he can be a true power forward in this league, which is still rare.
I thought he would have morecpoints playing with Mitch and Matty, but that is my mistake.
Getting spoiled by how quickly AM, WN, and MM generated offense is not how it normally happens.
I am excited for he and Robertson,, who also has started to look good, in the coming years.
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I'm happy with his play this season, at least to this point. I see a top notch 2nd liner that will bring good hands, hustle and physicality in the making. I can also picture him being a strong contributor to special teams as well. One thing that gives me confidence in a bright future is I don't see any glaring weakness to his game. Admittedly I was becoming concerned with his ability to read the play while defending but there's been improvement in that area already so i'm comfortable it was simply an adjustment to pro.
Voted better than expected.
Voted better than expected.
ACC1224
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I think for the most part I’ve been disappointed but I think that’s more me having unrealistic expectations.
Lately he’s been great, leaves you excited for what’s to come.
Top line is chugging right now, part of that is his improved play.
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He is a rookie and also a big bodied rookie so it will take him time to learn how to leverage his physical advantages. I think we all got excited cause of how seamlessly he fit onto the team in the playoffs and maybe put unrealistic expectations on him, but you gotta remember NCAA guys generally have a difficult time in their first year transitioning to the grind of the NHL schedule. They go from only playing once or twice a week and only 40ish games total per season to literally doubling that in volume, against the most talented and fittest hockey players in the world no less. Him hitting a wall shouldn't be unexpected and is simply part of the growing pains. He also receives little to no PP time as well.
Still, there's a lot to like and he's shown some great flashes and we should all be excited about his future. He reminds me of JVR but with a higher motor and more physically engaged, which is pretty scary when you think about it.
Still, there's a lot to like and he's shown some great flashes and we should all be excited about his future. He reminds me of JVR but with a higher motor and more physically engaged, which is pretty scary when you think about it.
I thought he would be a better fit than Bunting, but he's not. I think Bunting deferred to Matthews and Marner way more often which resulted in a lot more points for him whereas Knies actually has more skill and tries to make plays which results in less points for him.
He's a better player but not as good of a fit at this point. Recently, his passing has really improved and he's getting the puck to Matthews so there's a lot to like going forward.
He's a better player but not as good of a fit at this point. Recently, his passing has really improved and he's getting the puck to Matthews so there's a lot to like going forward.
2nd round pick playing in his first NHL season being 21 years old. As a regular. On the top line. He's doing much better than I thought.
Judas Tavares
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Won't lie I expected a bit more from him this year but that's just because of the unreasonable expectation he set after his short playoff stint last season. He still shows flashes of being that player often enough and has been very solid for a rookie playing such tough minutes.
The important thing is that it's pretty clear he's going to end up being a very useful piece in a couple seasons when we can make our real push with Tavares off the books.
The important thing is that it's pretty clear he's going to end up being a very useful piece in a couple seasons when we can make our real push with Tavares off the books.
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Looked better in some aspects, particularly board battles and stripping pucks.
Looked a bit (disappointing seems like tooo strong a word haha) underwhelming? in a couple aspects, his scoring hasnt quite been what I hoped but he's coming on as of late and maybe its my fault for over-reaching on his totals (was hoping for 20 goals 25 assists area, so hes definitely not far off!)
One weird thing I particularly dont like how when he falls over, its often pretty emphatic and makes it look like he got blown up when he just got knocked over haha.
Looked a bit (disappointing seems like tooo strong a word haha) underwhelming? in a couple aspects, his scoring hasnt quite been what I hoped but he's coming on as of late and maybe its my fault for over-reaching on his totals (was hoping for 20 goals 25 assists area, so hes definitely not far off!)
One weird thing I particularly dont like how when he falls over, its often pretty emphatic and makes it look like he got blown up when he just got knocked over haha.
Duffman955
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He's fast, physical, plays a heavy game, soft hands, good shot
So far this year he's shown flashes of all of his tools, but hasn't put it all together yet
I can really see him as a 30 goal, power forward. Every team would love to have him
So far this year he's shown flashes of all of his tools, but hasn't put it all together yet
I can really see him as a 30 goal, power forward. Every team would love to have him
In a year or two, he's going to be a beast as he should start to get more of an adult strength body. Just look at Nicky R. He's not getting pushed around like was last year.
WTFMAN99
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He's not a finished product by any means but I like his game.
I wouldn't hesitate to bet big on him this summer by doing a 6-8 year deal around 4.5M per
The type of deal that could pay off big time down the road.
I wouldn't hesitate to bet big on him this summer by doing a 6-8 year deal around 4.5M per
The type of deal that could pay off big time down the road.
Menzinger
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He's developing very nicely.
The rookie season has had the standard level ups and downs - namely he clearly isn't used to the physical demands of such a high number of games coming straight out of the NCAA. But I'm as high on him as ever. But you can also see what he's going to be capable of
I think he'll comfortably end up as a top six winger once he's fleshed out his development. A tier below the highest end talent on the team, bit an excellent return from a draft and development pov
The rookie season has had the standard level ups and downs - namely he clearly isn't used to the physical demands of such a high number of games coming straight out of the NCAA. But I'm as high on him as ever. But you can also see what he's going to be capable of
I think he'll comfortably end up as a top six winger once he's fleshed out his development. A tier below the highest end talent on the team, bit an excellent return from a draft and development pov
He’s slightly above what I expected.
Expected 15+15 player going into the season and worried about Keefe misusing him in the bottom six.
He’s pacing above that and holding strong in the top 6 as a rookie essentially straight out of college. Trending very well.
Expected 15+15 player going into the season and worried about Keefe misusing him in the bottom six.
He’s pacing above that and holding strong in the top 6 as a rookie essentially straight out of college. Trending very well.
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I guess I was caught in all the hype before they signed him. At least he appears to work hard etc just expected a better touch around the net.
