How aggressive should the Leafs be at the deadline? Whimper or All In?

[HockeyVirus]

They are sure trending in that direction. Question is, do you use all your bullets this year or keep some for the remaining two years? I guess, it would come down to what is available. I would be willing to pay for a stud dman like Dobson or Parayko or Rantanen, not the Schenn brothers.

Hard to say without knowing what is available. I think personally we should be adding a piece with term this deadline and using whatever other assets to improve at the draft / offseason to reload for next year. The time is now IMO

 

[thewave]

Hard to say without knowing what is available. I think personally we should be adding a piece with term this deadline and using whatever other assets to improve at the draft / offseason to reload for next year. The time is now IMO

We can't afford pieces with term when Marner wants the moon. What does Knies get? How about Stolarz at the end of this? IMHO you sound wreckless with money and would lead us to cap hell

 

[HockeyVirus]

We can't afford pieces with term when Marner wants the moon. What does Knies get? How about Stolarz at the end of this? IMHO you sound wreckless with money and would lead us to cap hell

Cap is going up and I think the roster needs to be reshaped with cap allocation. I am not a fan fo re-signing Tavares for anything above 5M. I'd rather give term and/or delayed salary to get it under 5M. How many more years is he realistically a center before he is either 2nd line wing or 3rd C?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Yes he did.

I heard the same comments you did, no he did not, at no point did he say he wouldn't make a move.

 

[thewave]

Cap is going up and I think the roster needs to be reshaped with cap allocation. I am not a fan fo re-signing Tavares for anything above 5M. I'd rather give term and/or delayed salary to get it under 5M. How many more years is he realistically a center before he is either 2nd line wing or 3rd C?

You have magic future seeing glasses? You think with the tarrifs and trade wars T man is bringing in we arent going to be in a recession or worse?

Don't manage my money man, I am erring on the side of caution here. That money is not in the bank yet. What happened after we signed Marner with CV? He doesn't care, he said not my issue.

High risk speculation

 

[hullsy47]

We can't afford pieces with term when Marner wants the moon. What does Knies get? How about Stolarz at the end of this? IMHO you sound wreckless with money and would lead us to cap hell

If u trade knies for rantanen it m8ght work
But both would need to be signed
Id fo it in a hearbeat with rantanen signec
I can see knies getting offrer sheeted

 

[ToneDog]

We can't afford pieces with term when Marner wants the moon. What does Knies get? How about Stolarz at the end of this? IMHO you sound wreckless with money and would lead us to cap hell

Unless he comes down off his ridiculous ask, let him walk. Sorry he is not a game breaker like the top paid players in the league. No denying he is a top playmaker but without a closer, he is not a guy you hitch your cart to or put yourself in cap purgatory for like they did the last time.

Pasta is producing goals without a Matthews, Nylander or Tavares. That is what game breaker's do and are paid for. Only stupid pays for 77 assists and you can't fix stupid.

 

[thewave]

If u trade knies for rantanen it m8ght work
But both would need to be signed
Id fo it in a hearbeat with rantanen signec
I can see knies getting offrer sheeted

Wouldn't you want to do Marner for Rantanen? I think they wanted him anyways and if not. Knies is a key core component for me and the future of this team if winning is the goal.

For Rantanen I would sooner give up futures, Cowan or whatever but Knies is off limits unless it's a sign and trade where we give 12m for Rantanen 8 years. Marner is defacto gone.

Ideally Marner signed to CAR for Rantanen signed to TO

 

[darrylsittler27]

I don’t think letting assets walk solves the bare cupboards issue. If they go all in and trade the young players and picks and it doesn’t work, then what?

Yes but that was the plan. The minute they hired Dubas they weren't serious about winning. In 2 years they will be old and quite frankly, no one wants out prospects. None of the skaters are impact players.

 

[ULF_55]

You are not getting those three players with that money. How hard is it to get one UFA player?

What are the odds we get 3 upper end players and then on top of that do you guys realistically think you’re gonna get Ekblad at anything under 8 million?

Also injuries have to be a major concern for both Ehlers and Ekblad. When’s the last time either of them have played 82?

I used the projected amounts, not made up Leafs/individual bias amounts. CapWages

And I agree Leafs would not be able to land those players anyway, as Toronto is not a dream destination, and doesn't have a good track record.

It was more a hypothetical, using the projected amounts would you rather have:

Tavares and marner - $21mm (marner's 13, Tavares 8)
or
Ehler - 7.8
Bennett - 6.5
Ekblad - 7

How often do you hear if X walks they're doomed, but the team doesn't stop when someone leaves.
July 1st. Leafs would have that Cap Space to use, and they would use it.

 

[Zonk]

Here are the career stats of three centres drafted in the same draft year (2009). It is interesting how many fans want to dump Taveras and how many think that B. Schenn and/or Kadri would be better.

FWIW, Taveras is 26 in centres' scoring this year, Kardri is 42, and Schenn is 58.

Round	Num.	Drafted By	Player	Pos	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
1	1	NY Islanders	John Tavares	C	1162	479	611	1090	505
1	5	Los Angeles	Brayden Schenn	C	1002	272	401	673	579
1	7	Toronto	Nazem Kadri	C	963	293	394	687	751

 

[francis246]

I used the projected amounts, not made up Leafs/individual bias amounts. CapWages

And I agree Leafs would not be able to land those players anyway, as Toronto is not a dream destination, and don't have a good track record.

It was more a hypothetical, using the projected amounts would you rather have:

Tavares and marner - $21mm (marner's 13, Tavares 8)
or
Ehler - 7.8
Bennett - 6.5
Ekblad - 7

How often do you hear if X walks they're doomed, but the team doesn't stop when someone leaves.
July 1st. Leafs would have that Cap Space to use, and they would use it.

Agreed, we’d survive without him. How good we would be, would be dependent on who we could land! If we could get those three at your projected numbers I think it’s a no brainer. Creates a bit more balance and address some needs.

But I think the reality is we are probably signing one of the two. Would people hate Marner + Ekblad? I wouldn’t mind that personally depending on how the playoffs go. I think Ekblad is the most realistic possibility. Seth Jones being traded there is Ekblads replacement IMO.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I used the projected amounts, not made up Leafs/individual bias amounts. CapWages

And I agree Leafs would not be able to land those players anyway, as Toronto is not a dream destination, and don't have a good track record.

It was more a hypothetical, using the projected amounts would you rather have:

Tavares and marner - $21mm (marner's 13, Tavares 8)
or
Ehler - 7.8
Bennett - 6.5
Ekblad - 7

How often do you hear if X walks they're doomed, but the team doesn't stop when someone leaves.
July 1st. Leafs would have that Cap Space to use, and they would use it.

Toronto doesn't have a good track record or signing UFA'S?

What are you talking about? I can't remember the last time Toronto had a problem either getting a player to waive to come here, or signing free agents.

 

[ToneDog]

Toronto doesn't have a good track record or signing UFA'S?

What are you talking about? I can't remember the last time Toronto had a problem either getting a player to waive to come here, or signing free agents.

Our problem is we can't get players to waive to get them out of here.

 

[ULF_55]

Here are the career stats of three centres drafted in the same draft year (2009). It is interesting how many fans want to dump Taveras and how many think that B. Schenn and/or Kadri would be better.

FWIW, Taveras is 26 in centres' scoring this year, Kardri is 42, and Schenn is 58.

Round	Num.	Drafted By	Player	Pos	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
1	1	NY Islanders	John Tavares	C	1162	479	611	1090	505
1	5	Los Angeles	Brayden Schenn	C	1002	272	401	673	579
1	7	Toronto	Nazem Kadri	C	963	293	394	687	751

I know people wanted to dump Tavares last year because he was declining.

I do believe most want to add not swap.

Matthews
Tavares
NewGuy
Minten - upwardly mobile.

 

[thewave]

Our problem is we can't get players to waive to get them out of here.

Muskoka 5 country club in Toronto needs to be become a motel 6 and they will go

 

[ULF_55]

Toronto doesn't have a good track record or signing UFA'S?

What are you talking about? I can't remember the last time Toronto had a problem either getting a player to waive to come here, or signing free agents.

Obviously, players sign contracts in Toronto, example Tanev signed into his 40's
Hakanpaa signed a reasonable contract, and ...
33 year old Ekman-Larsson signed a 4 year deal.
Domi signed a $3.75mm 4 year contract.
Pacioretty signed a prove-it contract for a part-time position.

 

[thewave]

Here are the career stats of three centres drafted in the same draft year (2009). It is interesting how many fans want to dump Taveras and how many think that B. Schenn and/or Kadri would be better.

FWIW, Taveras is 26 in centres' scoring this year, Kardri is 42, and Schenn is 58.

Round	Num.	Drafted By	Player	Pos	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
1	1	NY Islanders	John Tavares	C	1162	479	611	1090	505
1	5	Los Angeles	Brayden Schenn	C	1002	272	401	673	579
1	7	Toronto	Nazem Kadri	C	963	293	394	687	751

Schenn is a hard pass, too much, too old, too long

 

[BallardEra]

 

[HolyCrap]

Was it Joke Marek or one of his buddies?

No. I can’t remember his name on here but he was legit.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

If Leafs got Schenn which would be an OK move then when playoff hockey starts and game is on da line you will see under Berube (I think Rielly has already been told what to expect)
1st McCabe Tanev
2nd OEL Schenn
3rd Benoit Rielly (and they play mostly in neutral and offensive zone starts only)

Rielly is not gonna play much except maybe if we play Tampa where his game suits that opponent .. he is far far far too much of a defensive liability on da ice and his offence is nowhere near enough to offset his terrible defensive play

Man, Reilly has regressed quickly. Sad to see.

 

[Donnie740]

Unless he comes down off his ridiculous ask, let him walk. Sorry he is not a game breaker like the top paid players in the league. No denying he is a top playmaker but without a closer, he is not a guy you hitch your cart to or put yourself in cap purgatory for like they did the last time.

Pasta is producing goals without a Matthews, Nylander or Tavares. That is what game breaker's do and are paid for. Only stupid pays for 77 assists and you can't fix stupid.

What amount and term is Marner asking for? I’m really curious how you think you’re actually privy to having the slightest clue. But maybe you’re Paul Marner, posting here under an alias?

 

[Donnie740]

Would people hate Marner + Ekblad? I wouldn’t mind that personally depending on how the playoffs go. I think Ekblad is the most realistic possibility. Seth Jones being traded there is Ekblads replacement IMO.

Aaron Ekblad is on my absolute DO NOT sign under any circumstance list.

He’s 29yrs old and has always been injury prone. But the biggest issue is that his knees are shot.

Some poor sucker is going to make the catastrophic mistake of giving Ekblad between $9M and $10M for a 7yr term this summer, and it’s going to cripple the franchise. Fortunately, Toronto won’t have the available cap space to make that mistake.

 

[ToneDog]

What amount and term is Marner asking for? I’m really curious how you think you’re actually privy to having the slightest clue. But maybe you’re Paul Marner, posting here under an alias?

LOL. The first time and probably last I will be accused of being Paul. I am going by what the insiders are saying. Mirtle has said multiple times that a deal would have been done if he'd accept the Nylander deal plus a bit more based on the new cap ($12.5m-$12.8m). Kypreos who knows the family, said Draisaitl money, then backed off the next day and said $13.8m. It has also been mentioned in many places that the Leafs have set their ceiling at $13m. If you believe any of that shit and given he has not signed, what does that tell you?

 

[57 Years No Cup]

This. Has nothing to do with really depth issues it’s more about our guys not scoring at all in the playoffs. Our PP has been atrocious also. We need Matthews, Willy, Marner, Tavares to be the 4 guys who show up every game and produce if that happens we’ll be fine. Going out and blowing our load on a Scott Laughton isn’t going to be why we go on a run