How aggressive should the Leafs be at the deadline? Whimper or All In?

[Clark4Ever]

If it was up to me, I'm not giving up Minten or Cowan in a package for B. Schenn. It's just not worth it considering Schenn's age and productivity. Minten should be ready to assume the 3C role for us next season at a fraction of the AAV.

I would offer something along the lines of Domi, a 1st round pick and Jarnkrok for Schenn with retention. That's a fair deal for both sides.

 

[Budz]

Oh make no mistake I'd do it but I do really like Minten.

But you need to give to get

As nice as it would be to be able to trade Reaves and Kampf and get Brayden Schenn at 50% retained that's not going to happen.

You need to give to get and with the way this team is playing and the goaltending they are getting consistently they can win a championship.

So if you need to give up Minten and a 1st to get Schenn you bite the bullet and you do it.

I would do everything to keep Minten out as well.

A First and Cowan should be darn close. With us sending contracts back.

 

[Roo]

Leafs should be very aggressive given their window for contention.

Being aggressive doesn’t mean overpaying. I have no issue giving up a lot if the return makes sense.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Who do we feel has more value on the market, Cowan or Minten?
If they had a choice which player would the Leafs rather retain?

I suspect Cowan he's got top 6 upside

 

[thewave]

I’m not sure I’d do quite that much, especially since we’d ideally want retention (likely from another team).

That said, I generally agree with the all in sentiment, even if it means we move Minten.

I like Minten as much as the next Leaf fan, but the way I see it, in the next 4 playoff runs Brayden Schenn probably helps us a dramatically more than Minten. And if we don’t win in that time period, this team will be probably be staring down the barrel of a rebuild anyway.

Some of that obviously hinges on how close we get….

If it's a 1st and Minten, they need to take bad cap back. Jankrok Kampf Reaves. We need contract spots and another player back as well not just Schenn. It's 3 years.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

If it's a 1st and Minten, they need to take bad cap back. Jankrok Kampf Reaves. We need contract spots and another player back as well not just Schenn. It's 3 years.

Well of course they would take back a contract you need to send some money back.

 

[thewave]

Well of course they would take back a contract you need to send some money back.

If we are being honest with Minten and a 1st they would need to take some bad contracts and retain.

Jankrok
Kampf
Reaves

To be honest why would we even send Minten to do a cap neutral deal like above? The 1st should be enough.

 

[Donnie740]

People seem to be confusing “going all in” with “massively overpaying”.

Giving up high picks and top prospects for bottom six scrubs is a terrible idea. How furious would Leaf fans be if Treliving gave away a 2nd round pick for a washed up hack like Guga Nyquist? That’s such a brutal mistake. Nyquist isn’t going to have any impact on Minnesota and the Wild are first round fodder at best.

Unless it’s something equivalent to Colorado acquiring Ray Bourque or Pittsburgh acquiring Ron Francis and Ulf Samuelsson (as well as Grant Jennings) there’s no possible way I’d be giving up anything higher than a 4th round pick or a prospect outside of the Leafs top 10 prospects.

 

[thewave]

People seem to be confusing “going all in” with “massively overpaying”.

Giving up high picks and top prospects for bottom six scrubs is a terrible idea. How furious would Leaf fans be if Treliving gave away a 2nd round pick for a washed up hack like Guga Nyquist? That’s such a brutal mistake. Nyquist isn’t going to have any impact on Minnesota and the Wild are first round fodder at best.

Unless it’s something equivalent to Colorado acquiring Ray Bourque or Pittsburgh acquiring Ron Francis and Ulf Samuelsson (as well as Grant Jennings) there’s no possible way I’d be giving up anything higher than a 4th round pick or a prospect outside of the Leafs top 10 prospects.

Sorry to put you on the spot.

Anybody, some thoughts please. Do you think Jankrok Kampf and Reaves are going to move the needle this playoff? Will B Schenn be better then the combined above? And if you got rid of those guys and got Schenn for a 1st added.

Do you think that helps us more?

 

[Donnie740]

Sorry to put you on the spot.

Anybody, some thoughts please. Do you think Jankrok Kampf and Reaves are going to move the needle this playoff? Will B Schenn be better then the combined above? And if you got rid of those guys and got Schenn for a 1st added.

Do you think that helps us more?

You need a guy like Ryan Reaves on the team. Not so much for his on ice contributions as much as for his off ice contributions. Reaves has the perfect attitude for a team. And when he does get ice time, his presence makes everyone on the team feel tougher.

It’s like walking into a bar with a legit bad ass tough guy. You can’t fight your way out of a wet paper bag, but having the legit bad ass tough guy standing beside you makes you feel invincible at the bar because you know he’ll handle any problems your mouth gets you into.

I’ve never been a fan of JarnCrap. He’s great at skating around in circles but he’s got nothing for offence and ZERO for toughness and forechecking. I’d dump his contract for a late round pick. But I’d never give up anything to get rid of JarnCrap just to bring in a similar type of player.

Kampf is a serviceable 4th line C who’s decent in face offs and reliable defensively. Doesn’t make any sense to give up a high draft pick to try and “upgrade” the 4th line from where it is with Kampf.

 

[The Apologist]

OEL is more physical and a better defender than Rielly.

That's why a Rielly Schenn pairing works better. Luke gives Rielly the freedom to be Rielly while excelling in his role as the defensive force.

Let OEL anchor the third pair.

 

[thewave]

You need a guy like Ryan Reaves on the team. Not so much for his on ice contributions as much as for his off ice contributions. Reaves has the perfect attitude for a team. And when he does get ice time, his presence makes everyone on the team feel tougher.

It’s like walking into a bar with a legit bad ass tough guy. You can’t fight your way out of a wet paper bag, but having the legit bad ass tough guy standing beside you makes you feel invincible at the bar because you know he’ll handle any problems your mouth gets you into.

I’ve never been a fan of JarnCrap. He’s great at skating around in circles but he’s got nothing for offence and ZERO for toughness and forechecking. I’d dump his contract for a late round pick. But I’d never give up anything to get rid of JarnCrap just to bring in a similar type of player.

Kampf is a serviceable 4th line C who’s decent in face offs and reliable defensively. Doesn’t make any sense to give up a high draft pick to try and “upgrade” the 4th line from where it is with Kampf.

Fair points.

Jancrock
Domi
Minten
3rd

B. Schenn
_________ unsure.

Something like this works for me then.

 

[Jacquestrapless]

 

[Gabriel426]

Hope he sticks by that bc Cup winners rarely splashed around TDL, they often just make depth trades.

 

[thewave]

Hope he sticks by that bc Cup winners rarely splashed around TDL, they often just make depth trades.

The deals out there that I have heard from schills like Kyper are all bad deals. Not at all anything I would even consider as presented.

 

[Donnie740]

Fair points.

Jancrock
Domi
Minten
3rd

B. Schenn
_________ unsure.

Something like this works for me then.

Unless St Louis is retaining 95% of Schenn’s contract, that’s a horrifically bad trade.

Let’s be honest - - Brayden Schenn’s best days are long past. He’s a 34yr old third line player with THREE (3) more years at $6.5M per and a full no movement clause.

I feel sorry for the franchise that gets duped into giving up anything of value for that boat anchor.

 

[thewave]

Unless St Louis is retaining 95% of Schenn’s contract, that’s a horrifically bad trade.

Let’s be honest - - Brayden Schenn’s best days are long past. He’s a 34yr old third line player with THREE (3) more years at $6.5M per and a full no movement clause.

I feel sorry for the franchise that gets duped into giving up anything of value for that boat anchor.

I am not a fan of his but.. Jankrok is an anchor 2.1m Domi is trashed 3.75m Minten is looking like a L4 and Schenn could L3 C. Kampf L4 C

 

[Donnie740]

I am not a fan of his but.. Jankrok is an anchor 2.1m Domi is trashed 3.75m Minten is looking like a L4 and Schenn could L3 C. Kampf L4 C

Having one year left at $2.1M on JarnCrap’s contract is not even remotely close to being the boat anchor that three more years at $6.5M on Brayden Schenn’s contract is.

The problem with your proposal is that it completely decimates the Leafs depth at forward. JarnCrap, Domi and Minten make as much COMBINED as Brayden Schenn does.

If Schenn pulls a Nick Foligno, what does Toronto do to fill the void?

 

[thewave]

Having one year left at $2.1M on JarnCrap’s contract is not even remotely close to being the boat anchor that three more years at $6.5M on Brayden Schenn’s contract is.

The problem with your proposal is that it completely decimates the Leafs depth at forward. JarnCrap, Domi and Minten make as much COMBINED as Brayden Schenn does.

If Schenn pulls a Nick Foligno, what does Toronto do to fill the void?

Fair point.

Ok I will side with you on this. Not really a big B. Schenn fan at his age and cap anyway. If I heard 3m retained and taken the craps contracts I may be ok with it again.

 

[Donnie740]

Fair point.

Ok I will side with you on this. Not really a big B. Schenn fan at his age and cap anyway. If I heard 3m retained and taken the craps contracts I may be ok with it again.

Absolutely CANNOT make the mistake of taking on a bloated contract based on what a guy did five or six years ago. That’s a recipe for disaster. Brayden Schenn is being paid for what happened way in the past. He’s not even remotely close to being a $6.5M player.

It’s like the contract situation with Corey Perry - - his best days were long past, and at $8.5M his contract was horrendous. But at $800k, his contract was really good value.

 

[LeafEgo]

Sorry to put you on the spot.

Anybody, some thoughts please. Do you think Jankrok Kampf and Reaves are going to move the needle this playoff? Will B Schenn be better then the combined above? And if you got rid of those guys and got Schenn for a 1st added.

Do you think that helps us more?

Jarn hasn't really been part of the team. Kampf and Reavo aren't needle movers but they bring a role and are playoff tested.

If they go out the door that's fine but it's a negative that has to be made whole, and we're sorta in a position to be adding without subtracting, even on the margins. Adding a brand name player is sexy but ideally we dont open up new gaps.

Anybody see Kampf PK'ing last game? Dude can be such a gem. He's a bit pricey, but a luxury to have at 4C that brings purpose to the bottom six.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

I don't think this is the year. We still haven't gotten over the 1st round hump. I think we add a complimentary depth piece or two without selling the farm, and see where it leads us. If we get to a CF or a final without ultimate success, then we go for it in 25/26. We try to snag a top FA in the off season, keep it status quo as far as regular season positioning, THEN we load up at the deadline and sell whatever and whoever it takes to get it done. After that, if we're still Cup-less, we sell Matthews to the highest bidder. I know...NMC...but if we don't win it all, he may be ready to move on at that point anyway. Then...we go after McJesus.

It'll never be "the year' with this core.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

I don't think you go hard at any deadline until at least two of Marner, Matthews, and Nylander have monster playoffs across more than one round. If that never happens then we never go hard.

But imagine dumping a bunch of prospects and picks for support players and Matthews and Marner once again take turns looking invisible. Won't have made any tangible difference.

And it never will.

 

[MilkofthePoppy]

This team has chemistry. I'd look at acquiring a depth forward and defenseman. No point depleting an already shallow cupboard of prospects for something that isn't a sure thing.

 

[Donnie740]

What would it take to get Mario Ferraro from San Jose - - Minten plus a mid round draft pick to a third team for salary retention?

Ferraro would be a great fit with Rielly.