Houston vs Quebec City

Next expansion team

  • Houston

    Votes: 82 63.6%
  • Quebec City

    Votes: 47 36.4%

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John Mandalorian

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It’s easy to say the sooner the NHLs more dependent on revenue from tv deals and not as dependent on gate revenue, the sooner they can make Winnipeg and QC more viable. But everyone knows another bigger market that represents more eyes TVs and new fans will probably get it.
 

bert

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Where should the NHL expand to next?

I go with Houston: More people, better economy, less taxes, and its another team in the best state in the USA, Texas. Texas, for its size and scope, deserves 2 NHL teams. The NHL wins in every category with Houston over QC.
You missed the part about people that love hockey. That live it and breath it. The part where it's an actual amazing atmosphere.

Why do you care about taxes? The economy?

Sad and pathetic Quebec is losing this poll.
How the hell does Quebec have 35% of votes. :laugh:
Because it's an actual hockey Market. Where people care and go to games because they love it. Question is why is Houston winning.
 

The Gr8 Dane

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You missed the part about people that love hockey. That live it and breath it. The part where it's an actual amazing atmosphere.

Why do you care about taxes? The economy?

Sad and pathetic Quebec is losing this poll.

Because it's an actual hockey Market. Where people care and go to games because they love it. Question is why is Houston winning.
Voted for houston since its a much more logical choice. The NHL is interested in $$$$ not nostalgia in a tiny market that has no money
 

bobholly39

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I voted Houston.

It's simply a smarter/better move for the NHL. Huge market, huge city. All upside.

If the question was "where do you want to see expansion" or "who deserves a team next" - I'd definetely lean Quebec.

For what it's worth - i'd pick Quebec above Utah, and above rumors of Atlanta getting another team too. It's just - Houston is a huge market - it does make sense.
 
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Kairi Zaide

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You missed the part about people that love hockey. That live it and breath it. The part where it's an actual amazing atmosphere.

Why do you care about taxes? The economy?

Sad and pathetic Quebec is losing this poll.

Because it's an actual hockey Market. Where people care and go to games because they love it. Question is why is Houston winning.
Quebec City really isn't the big fanatic hockey market you'd think it is anymore. There's still a lot of tickets available for the LA preseason games. Even the Remparts attendance isn't what it used to be, including 2 seasons ago despite winning the Memorial Cup.

We can't even find 10 people at my job to do a free hockey pool that requires 5 minutes to select players. And there are well over 120 employees of all age groups.

It'd be no different than Ottawa or Winnipeg in terms of attendence and revenues.
 
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bert

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Who do you think makes more money? Houston or Quebec,?
Doesnt make it a better hockey market for people that actually like and enjoy hockey. Hockey aint here without Canada and its passion. Id rather have it in a place where people actually care for it, love it, live it and breath it. Why do you care about billionaires making more money is the real question.

Voted for houston since its a much more logical choice. The NHL is interested in $$$$ not nostalgia in a tiny market that has no money
Why do you care about money for the rich and not people who love the sport? Thats the question id love the answer to.

There are reasons to prefer Dallas to Quebec, but their respective potential rivalries are DEFINITELY NOT one of them.
Yeah an all time dumb take by that guy.
 

bert

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Quebec City really isn't the big fanatic hockey market you'd think it is anymore. There's still a lot of tickets available for the LA preseason games. Even the Remparts attendance isn't what it used to be, including 2 seasons ago despite winning the Memorial Cup.

We can't even find 10 people at my job to do a free hockey pool that requires 5 minutes to select players. And there are well over 120 employees of all age groups.

It'd be no different than Ottawa or Winnipeg in terms of attendence and revenues.
Ottawa has terrific revenues and survived the worst owner in sports. Rink in the middle of no where and still averaging over 17,000 a game doesnt seem like you're very well versed in general.

Pre season games of other teams? Who cares. Your office pool? Who cares these arent real barometers.

I voted Houston.

It's simply a smarter/better move for the NHL. Huge market, huge city. All upside.

If the question was "where do you want to see expansion" or "who deserves a team next" - I'd definetely lean Quebec.

For what it's worth - i'd pick Quebec above Utah, and above rumors of Atlanta getting another team too. It's just - Houston is a huge market - it does make sense.
This is a strong logical post.
 

Kairi Zaide

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Ottawa has terrific revenues and survived the worst owner in sports. Rink in the middle of no where and still averaging over 17,000 a game doesnt seem like you're very well versed in general.

Pre season games of other teams? Who cares. Your office pool? Who cares these arent real barometers.


This is a strong logical post.
Preseason games do matter especially given one is a very popular team amongst the hockey fans that still care about the NHL here (bruins) and the other is the cup champ. And that they used to sell much better 10-15 years ago (which coincides with peak remparts attendance).

Ottawa has been bottom of the league in revenues lately, marginally better than Phoenix. And they're bottom quarter/tier for valuation. What the new ownership will bring, along with the new arena, will likely be positive (hard to do worse). Jets are bottom 5.

The work pool is anecdotal but I do think it shows the je m'en foutisme amongst the population in general right now. The enthusiasm about an NHL return is probably under 10% now judging by how it was at around 15% circa 2018.

The economy is also terrible (canadian economy + housing + lowest average salary of all nhl cities if they were to join), and I mentionned in a previous thread that a potential return would most likely require the government using taxpayers' money to make it happen since nobody seems willing to drop the money it'd likely require. Good luck with the social acceptance

Keep in mind that you are comparing to potentially more lucrative markets. Not just compared to "nothing" or to a previous location.
 
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You missed the part about people that love hockey. That live it and breath it. The part where it's an actual amazing atmosphere.

Why do you care about taxes? The economy?

Sad and pathetic Quebec is losing this poll.

Because it's an actual hockey Market. Where people care and go to games because they love it. Question is why is Houston winning.
You don't think there are people who love hockey in Houston? They had some of the best attendance numbers in the AHL their last few seasons, ahead of "hockey cities" like Hamilton and Toronto.

Ottawa has terrific revenues and survived the worst owner in sports. Rink in the middle of no where and still averaging over 17,000 a game doesnt seem like you're very well versed in general.
To be fair, that was their first year > 17k attendance in 8 years.
 
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DaPhazz

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Where should the NHL expand to next?

I go with Houston: More people, better economy, less taxes, and its another team in the best state in the USA, Texas. Texas, for its size and scope, deserves 2 NHL teams. The NHL wins in every category with Houston over QC.

Well, Texas seems to feel like a shithole to some people

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Houston, the goal is to make new fans, not change team allegiance from Habs/Pens to the Nords.
 

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Quebec should of got a team in 2000 and now I feel it's to late. Houston not fan of that idea because prefer it go to new location( State that has no NHL team). I voted Quebec but prefer third option like Atlanta/Portland/Boise.
 

AvroArrow

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It's a hockey city and obviously a Canadian city where hockey is the major sport. There's an ownership group and arena ready, the market is ready. While Houston is obviously a bigger city, it's not necessarily a bigger hockey market + they'd be competing with the Texans + Rockets + Astros + College football on Saturdays.
 

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This really isn’t fair to QC as Houston is blatantly lacking a team and the obvious #1 contender for expansion.

Well, Texas seems to feel like a shithole to some people

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In this case let’s just say the “some people” are not in the NHL’s target demographic.

Texas is like a mini-America with pockets of mind-blowing wealth surrounded by large swaths of rural middle-class and a significant amount of third-world poverty. The NHL doesn’t care that people in Brownsville are miserable, they’re looking for the Dubai-like money to be made in downtown Houston.
 
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DaPhazz

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This really isn’t fair to QC as Houston is blatantly lacking a team and the obvious #1 contender for expansion.



In this case let’s just say the “some people” are not in the NHL’s target demographic.

Texas is like a mini-America with pockets of mind-blowing wealth surrounded by large swaths of rural middle-class and a significant amount of third-world poverty. The NHL doesn’t care that people in Brownsville are miserable, they’re looking for the Dubai-like money to be made in downtown Houston.

The demo in Scottdales is also rich as f***

lmao a liberal news network

yeah I love getting my propaganda news.

Ahh you're like that eh
 

biturbo19

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This really isn’t fair to QC as Houston is blatantly lacking a team and the obvious #1 contender for expansion.



In this case let’s just say the “some people” are not in the NHL’s target demographic.

Texas is like a mini-America with pockets of mind-blowing wealth surrounded by large swaths of rural middle-class and a significant amount of third-world poverty. The NHL doesn’t care that people in Brownsville are miserable, they’re looking for the Dubai-like money to be made in downtown Houston.

Yeah. Uncomfortable truth is, poor people don't spend money on "luxuries" like sporting events. So that demographic doesn't really factor in for the NHL's consideration. They're looking at the demographics of population that has the disposable income to buy season tickets, TV packages, jerseys and merchandise, etc. People who have cars and drive everywhere and can pay for parking at the arena, which is a weird cash cow for places that implement that measure.

And in that sense...Houston is an untapped market with huge potential. The richest and even the medium rich, are there in plenty. Whether they'll latch on to NHL hockey or not is always the question with "non-traditional markets". Which also often just boils down to, "can you ice a competitive team"?

Quebec City has plenty of meat in that demographic as well though. There's way less of the "ultra rich" at the top though. But plenty in the "medium" demographic that are doing well enough to at least buy some tickets and jerseys and stuff.





As a probably completely irrelevant tangent though, maybe not even worth asking but i will anyway...what on earth is "rural middle class"? Truly "Rural" areas tend to have absolutely massive wealth gaps without a lot in the middle. Unless we're just talking about all of Americas sort of "exurb" obsession. With entire bedroom communities of "upper middle class" or whatever fleeing the poverty city and driving hours a day to commute to everything.

The actually Rural thing is arguably far more of a factor for the Quebec City market. Where a new Nordiques franchise would realistically have to lean a lot on areas of very rural, remote, and "small town" Quebec, and with a few small (non-Montreal area) cities pitching in. It's not necessarily an impossible ask...Oilers derive plenty of support and revenue from remote Northern Alberta and BC. Even the Territories. But it's definitely a factor to consider with the idea of the Nordiques return. They'd have to capitalize similarly on the whole, "Not Montreal" sentiment. Which is ultimately the crux of the issue, where it's likely to be mostly cannibalizing from other teams "market" effectively.
 

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As a probably completely irrelevant tangent though, maybe not even worth asking but i will anyway...what on earth is "rural middle class"? Truly "Rural" areas tend to have absolutely massive wealth gaps without a lot in the middle. Unless we're just talking about all of Americas sort of "exurb" obsession. With entire bedroom communities of "upper middle class" or whatever fleeing the poverty city and driving hours a day to commute to everything.

Question: have you ever been to rural Texas to know what you’re talking about here?
 
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