Proposal: Hot Three-Way Action NYI-TBL-MTL

[Sendhelp2Anaheim]

Doesn't matter where the colorado pick ld ands, its worth was that of a late 1st round pick when it got traded.

Hage is a much better prospect than Ritchie.

Nobody is giving up the equivalent of two mid 1st for Horvat.

I like hage and ritchie.... i dont think either is much further ahead of each other.

Dont think its a situation where either is "much better", prob both similar tiers.

And i think there are plenty of teams that would give up a mid 1st (especially in a draft that is seen as lacking depth) + prospect in Hages tier for Horvat.

Not to mention the Habs would still have the 16 if they liked a prospect in that area.

 

[Sendhelp2Anaheim]

I do agree with you, but Horvat (30) also doesn't really
fit into a rebuilding timeline. Hughes and Gorton said as much yesterday.
Habs had miraculous run to make playoffs in their last game -and maybe they're a little ahead of schedule, but they shouldn't be sacrificing too much young C depth for a guy who arguably, won't be a 2C in 3 years.

I'd put Hage in a trade for someone younger - but as I said, I think habs look very bad for doing it - after trading up specifically for him and helping his family realize a dream

All fair points, Unfortunately young centers that are moved.... generally have some sort of flaw/issues (see Dach).

 

[HuGo Sham]

All fair points, Unfortunately young centers that are moved.... generally have some sort of flaw/issues (see Dach).

true

 

[Glorydays22]

To NYI: Isaac Howard, Michael Hage and Kirby Dach

To MTL: Bo Horvat

To TBL: 17th overall in the 2025 NHL draft

This is a conditional trade on two conditions: Any player with a NTC/NMC has to waive obviously, and Howard has to agree to sign with NYI

Why NYI does it: They get two good young forward prospects to add to the foundation alongside Schaefer this summer

Why TBL does it: asset management and gets their disgruntled player out of the division

Why MTL does it: they get a very good top 6 center

Isles would want a pick instead of Dach, no interest at all in Dach

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

Isles would want a pick instead of Dach, no interest at all in Dach

Dach is just a cap dump for Montreal.

 

[Captain Mountain]

I think theyd strongly consider it.

the 17th isnt going to do much for Montreal, and they are clearly pretty close to contending.
Dach is more or less a cap dump, baggage for montreal
Hage is a solid piece...

Horvatt wins face offs, and will likely get a jump in production playing on a Montreal team rather than an offensively anemic islanders team

I don't. Gorton and Hughes met with the media yesterday and it sounds like they're still looking more long term than present.

Horvat is a great fit for Montreal in the present, but he's 30. I could see interest, but I doubt they move Hage for him given how much they like him as prospect.

 

[Hull2Roenick2Kane]

Nelson returned a late 1st and a prospect who was drafted in the late 1st?

The habs are giving up far more than in your proposal.

Also unlike Colorado, the habs are not in their cup contending window. Trading two of their best non-nhl assets for a player who has only a couple of good years left makes no sense.

I agree with the Habs fan. Kirby Dach's real value is Frank Nazar.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Dach is just a cap dump for Montreal.

If you think he's a cap dump, then remove him.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

You know the Colorado pick isn't the 2025, right?

Hage is much better based on what?

Okay, you can have your opinion but at least one MTL fan in this thread disagrees.

Everyone and their mother expects the Avs 2026 1st round pick to be a late one. It's not up to debate what its worth was.

I like hage and ritchie.... i dont think either is much further ahead of each other.

Dont think its a situation where either is "much better", prob both similar tiers.

And i think there are plenty of teams that would give up a mid 1st (especially in a draft that is seen as lacking depth) + prospect in Hages tier for Horvat.

Not to mention the Habs would still have the 16 if they liked a prospect in that area.

Ritchie, in his d+2 season, scored only at a 1.49 ppg, and had a much worse season than his d+1, which is a red flag.

Hage in his d+1, went 1.03 ppg. His d+1 was similar or better to many top prospects from the last few drafts (Caufield, Gauthier, Boldy, Kent Johnson, etc.). Remains to be seen if he can take the next step in his d+2, but he's tracking very well right now and he has high end offensive tools. He could very well be the habs 2C in 1-2 years.

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

If you think he's a cap dump, then remove him.

I'd have no problem with that.

I didn't include him in the original proposal for the NYI's benefit.

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

Everyone and their mother expects the Avs 2026 1st round pick to be a late one. It's not up to debate what its worth was.

Avs have no 2C assignment for next season and nothing to trade for one if they can't sign an UFA.

Pick could easily and realistically be in the teens.

 

[Power Surge]

I'd consider but Like my pal said above we need a roster player for Howard for where we are at.

Edit: it escaped my mind for a sec. Teams know Tampa has no leverage with Howard and I'm personally happy losing him for a 2nd.b

So while this is a good deal I'm not sure why MTL would do it.

 

[RedHawkDown]

This is actually a solid proposal. It makes sense for every team lol

 

[EveryDay]

Solid proposal all around.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Avs have no 2C assignment for next season and nothing to trade for one if they can't sign an UFA.

Pick could easily and realistically be in the teens.

Well they are obviously going to make additions this offseason.
And it doesn't matter what they end up doing.

The avs have been a top team in the league the last 6 years, and the same is expected next season. When the avs GM and the Islanders GM talked negotiations, they valued that pick like it was a late 1st. Even if the pick ends up top 5, its worth was that of a late 1st round pick when it got traded.

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

Everyone and their mother expects the Avs 2026 1st round pick to be a late one. It's not up to debate what its worth was.



Ritchie, in his d+2 season, scored only at a 1.49 ppg, and had a much worse season than his d+1, which is a red flag.

Hage in his d+1, went 1.03 ppg. His d+1 was similar or better to many top prospects from the last few drafts (Caufield, Gauthier, Boldy, Kent Johnson, etc.). Remains to be seen if he can take the next step in his d+2, but he's tracking very well right now and he has high end offensive tools. He could very well be the habs 2C in 1-2 years.

Actual hockey media constantly ranks Ritchie above Hage. But okay, Hage is "much better." Keep drinking that Habs red kool-aid.

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[miscs75]

I'd consider but Like my pal said above we need a roster player for Howard for where we are at.

Edit: it escaped my mind for a sec. Teams know Tampa has no leverage with Howard and I'm personally happy losing him for a 2nd.b

So while this is a good deal I'm not sure why MTL would do it.

If Duclair wasn’t signed for 3 more seasons I'm sure he would have been that option but. Thanks Lou.

 

[The Don Hughes]

To NYI: Isaac Howard, Michael Hage and Kirby Dach

To MTL: Bo Horvat

To TBL: 17th overall in the 2025 NHL draft

This is a conditional trade on two conditions: Any player with a NTC/NMC has to waive obviously, and Howard has to agree to sign with NYI

Why NYI does it: They get two good young forward prospects to add to the foundation alongside Schaefer this summer

Why TBL does it: asset management and gets their disgruntled player out of the division

Why MTL does it: they get a very good top 6 center

The proposal is solid, but I can't see the Habs moving Hage for Horvat unless he'd be ratained. I think they'd rather included a few more pieces over a Hage.

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

Well they are obviously going to make additions this offseason.
And it doesn't matter what they end up doing.

Mike Tyson once said that everyone has a plan until they got punched in the face.

I'm sure they have a plan, but can they pull it out with limited UFA options and nothing to trade. I'm doubting it.

And it does matter, because the pick is more realistically going to be lower than their 2025 pick was, which at the trade deadline was all but a guarantee going to be late. There's a huge question mark about next years.

 

[jfhabs]

I think it's a little rich from a Habs POV.
Seems to me Tampa is doing a little too well in this proposal ... 17OV for Howard, who might not want to resign anyway.

 

[Baksfamous112]

Habs aren’t paying Hage, 17th overall and Dach for Horvat. Not happening. Howard isn’t worth a mid first round pick either

 

[jfhabs]

I think theyd strongly consider it.

the 17th isnt going to do much for Montreal, and they are clearly pretty close to contending.
Dach is more or less a cap dump, baggage for montreal
Hage is a solid piece...

Horvatt wins face offs, and will likely get a jump in production playing on a Montreal team rather than an offensively anemic islanders team

If Dach is considered a cap dump, then we'd do Laine instead.
I still think he can be a contributor, just more of a complementary guy. He's 6'4'' with decent hands and willing to go in traffic. With a high draft pick pedigree, these guys tend to have 9 lives in the NHL and retain some kind of value even tho they suck pre 25 yo.

 

[impaaaaaact]

To NYI: Isaac Howard, Michael Hage and Kirby Dach

To MTL: Bo Horvat

To TBL: 17th overall in the 2025 NHL draft

This is a conditional trade on two conditions: Any player with a NTC/NMC has to waive obviously, and Howard has to agree to sign with NYI

Why NYI does it: They get two good young forward prospects to add to the foundation alongside Schaefer this summer

Why TBL does it: asset management and gets their disgruntled player out of the division

Why MTL does it: they get a very good top 6 center

Islanders accept

edit: whoops, posted by Isles fan. Of course we do lolol

 

[Michoulicious]

To NYI: Isaac Howard, Michael Hage and Kirby Dach

To MTL: Bo Horvat

To TBL: 17th overall in the 2025 NHL draft

This is a conditional trade on two conditions: Any player with a NTC/NMC has to waive obviously, and Howard has to agree to sign with NYI

Why NYI does it: They get two good young forward prospects to add to the foundation alongside Schaefer this summer

Why TBL does it: asset management and gets their disgruntled player out of the division

Why MTL does it: they get a very good top 6 center

So Montreal gives 2 mid 1st (Hage + #16 OA) + Dach for 30 y old Bo Horvat?

27 y old Bo Horvat did not get close to that.

 

[AcadiaAxeMan]

To NYI: Isaac Howard, Michael Hage and Kirby Dach

To MTL: Bo Horvat

To TBL: 17th overall in the 2025 NHL draft

This is a conditional trade on two conditions: Any player with a NTC/NMC has to waive obviously, and Howard has to agree to sign with NYI

Why NYI does it: They get two good young forward prospects to add to the foundation alongside Schaefer this summer

Why TBL does it: asset management and gets their disgruntled player out of the division

Why MTL does it: they get a very good top 6 center

Ya gotta give to get (I get that), but don't believe Michael Hage is an asset (like Caufield, Hutson, Reinbacher etc) the Habs are willing to deal (even for Bo Horvat?) My 2 cents.