Post-Game Talk: Holland dithers, Oilers lose

[Ibanez]

I would disagree. I think Woody is exactly as arrogant and stubborn as he shows himself in his press avails.

Woody caught lightning in a bottle last year. He might be pissing it away this season. The Oilers look like a playoff team at this point. But four losses in their last five games should wipe the smirk off Woody's face. It won't because the arrogance and stubbornness are signs of someone who can do no wrong and is hesitant to change his ways.

Lol I def agree he caught lightning in a bottle. No argument here!

 

[Delicious Pancakes]

No, nuge literally reset and swung back to the red line. All Nurse had to do was hit him once he initially swung and he's past the first defender. But he panics, waits too long, and f***s himself over.

The dmen both had ample support from Nuge, but it was blown because their brains can't function properly.

Oh yeah that breakout was an absolute trash fire, but I'm talking in general. Also to your point it's not like the D aren't making errors too, but if your D are having trouble getting the puck to you in the neutral zone of a game you're winning then have some common sense and make their job easier by swinging lower or closer to the defensive blueline. Having one forward stretch the opposing D is fine but if two forwards are up at/past the redline and the other is breaking from the zone before the D has even made the breakout pass then the opposing forwards can pressure the D and try to poach the breakout pass, or force the D to skate the puck out and make a pass under pressure in the neutral zone and dump it in, both of which are exactly what happened repeatedly last night.

The Oilers would turn the puck over in the neutral zone and the Rangers would quickly counter, or the Rangers would force a turnover at their blueline, or they'd force a dump in and retrieve the puck and transition it out before the Oilers could get in and forecheck. Aside from Ryan, Foegele and Pulju the forwards also generally weren't great on the forecheck last night. There didn't seem to be any coaching/systems adjustments either so Woody appears to have dropped the ball there.

 

[Ibanez]

The Oilers were giving up space, gaps, all over ice and we're playing no touch hockey. Rather try to dig for a puck then hit somebody. To wit the Oilers topsix had a combined 3hits last night. It was like watching flag football. We played Panarin exactly how he wants to be played.

Watching the rangers easily gain the zone time and time again was infuriating…

We have zero plan defensively and even worse we can’t adapt because woody is a dumb dumb

 

[Porkleaker]

Watching the rangers easily gain the zone time and time again was infuriating…

We have zero plan defensively and even worse we can’t adapt because woody is a dumb dumb

Why Chasing EK is insanity when we need an actual defensive d-man.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Pretty common with a lot of anxious/autistic people. I always assumed Matheson was suffering from one or both of those.

Lots of people laugh in uncomfortable situations as well. Might be why he became a writer rather than a public speaker. In person interviews are very clearly not his cup of tea.

Funny I regularly get the impression that his nervous ticks come out when the team is losing. He looks like a jackarse behind Ryan there. I could be unkind and say he is one.

 

[iCanada]

You need a coach that has a massive ego and a massive belief in their system that they won't cave and just let lazy habits creep in. You need a Torts, Sutter, maybe Babcock style coach, otherwise this team just walks over the predictable "well ... ok .... you can do 300 lazy things and still win so I guess I can't criticized that and just need to learn to ride the McDrai wave babeeeeee!" coach thing.

You need someone who will shit a brick if the team doesn't play their system even if they win 5-3 based on skill alone and will rip them a new asshole after a game like that. Tippett and Woodcroft don't have the balls to do that, Hitch used to but he was way too far into his friendly grandpa phase to do it.

Eh, I'm not sure I agree.

I think that style of coach is better for bubble teams that need to have everything go right over the year to make the dance.

That's not us. We're clearly good enough to make the playoffs.

I think that with the physical nature of the sport, it's impossible to be on every night. If you can keep light, have fun every night, and build a good atmosphere, I think that's more important to winning a cup than having your system followed to a tee on any random Thursday in February. Particularly for a team like ours with the kind of game breakers we have. It lets guys limit test; no one on the flames is trying to 1 v 4 tie a game, Sutter would murder them. But McDavid gets to try that, and sure as shit it worked and now he's a better player because of it.

Just ask a guy like Sather. Or listen to any of the boys on the bus talk about the playoffs where they'd all start buying in to the system.

 

[Drivesaitl]

I would disagree. I think Woody is exactly as arrogant and stubborn as he shows himself in his press avails.

Woody caught lightning in a bottle last year. He might be pissing it away this season. The Oilers look like a playoff team at this point. But four losses in their last five games should wipe the smirk off Woody's face. It won't because the arrogance and stubbornness are signs of someone who can do no wrong and is hesitant to change his ways.

Theres subtlety as well in looking at Woodys narratives. "I can work it with 11 forwards really well" so having 10 was no stretch. Gee woody you're just tapping shoulders on the bench. A lot of the time its the topsix deciding who's out there on their own. What do you actually do Woody? Show us all the Rangers game films you studied. Show us ANY adjustments made in the game. Woody could be a cardboard cutout and I wouldn't notice a difference. Somebody said he's just here for the good feels. Smiling Cheshire cat.

 

[duul]

Why are people lauding Campbell's performance? Another sub .900 performance.

 

[brentashton]

Why are people lauding Campbell's performance? Another sub .900 performance.

Because of the way the two tenders are playing right now, Campbell probably saved them the loser point with his work in the third.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Why are people lauding Campbell's performance? Another sub .900 performance.

Campbell stoned the rangers soemthing like 15 times. He was that good and the Rangers had that many grade A scoring chances. Zed alone had about 5 shots that were almost 90miles/ hour just smoking the puck. Rangers were working passing plays for ridiculous scoring chances and ought to have had twice as many goals.

 

[Stoneman89]

Pretty common with a lot of anxious/autistic people. I always assumed Matheson was suffering from one or both of those.

Lots of people laugh in uncomfortable situations as well. Might be why he became a writer rather than a public speaker. In person interviews are very clearly not his cup of tea.

And yet he keeps doing them.

 

[duul]

Campbell stoned the rangers soemthing like 15 times. He was that good and the Rangers had that many grade A scoring chances. Zed alone had about 5 shots that were almost 90miles/ hour just smoking the puck. Rangers were working passing plays for ridiculous scoring chances and ought to have had twice as many goals.

The Rangers had six HDCF, and five goals.

The Oilers had eleven.

 

[Stoneman89]

Why are people lauding Campbell's performance? Another sub .900 performance.

Ah...because he was excellent, despite the 4 goals allowed? Rangers had a ton of 10 bell chances (like a lot of teams seem to get against us) He had zero chance on any of the goals.

You're on a lonely island, trying to stir things up, as usual.

On the other hand, maybe you didn't even see the game, so there's that, and it would probably explain your ignorance,

 

[TGOSnipes99]

Why Chasing EK is insanity when we need an actual defensive d-man.

This works both ways

Instead of our dumb dmen whipping pucks to the corners and ruining o zone time or not making breakout passes, maybe they score more with a guy like ek

There is no dman who is a pure shutdown perfect guy who will move the needle for this team

Give me Ek65

 

[brentashton]

The Rangers had six HDCF, and five goals.

The Oilers had eleven.

Given the play of the two goalies the past 6 games or so who would you have played?

 

[Drivesaitl]

The Rangers had six HDCF, and five goals.

The Oilers had eleven.

This just supports once again that those stats are complete garbage and don't describe the game that occurred at all.

Even if you only watch the highlights (you didn't watch the game) you see more than six HDCF for the rangers. hell, they had more than that in 3rd period alone.

Plus you know that one of the goals you're counting is in shootout right, and that Campbell stopped several of those too. Another goal was 5 on 3. The Rangers goals were excellently worked and the only one you could say was outside of range was Zed but he was just getting everything on his shot last night. Howitzer. Rangers were on and are scoring a lot of goals and coming into this game they had around 5.5 goals on average in latest string of games. Plus the Oilers were defending like crap as a club. Campbell was abandoned for much of the game.

 

[Stoneman89]

Campbell stoned the rangers soemthing like 15 times. He was that good and the Rangers had that many grade A scoring chances. Zed alone had about 5 shots that were almost 90miles/ hour just smoking the puck. Rangers were working passing plays for ridiculous scoring chances and ought to have had twice as many goals.

Still don't know how they didn't score on a couple back door plays. Chytil and Vessey alone will have nightmares after this one.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Still don't know how they didn't score on a couple back door plays. Chytil and Vessey alone will have nightmares after this one.

Oh yeah, they were stoned and just the two of them amounted to around 6 HDSC. Chytil on the one play even having presence of mind to freeze puck as Campbell was down and had time to load up, all he had to do was raise puck. he pings it off Campbells head. Campbell was real lucky on that one as it looked like an instant goal and put anywhere else it is.

Rangers are a nice enough team to watch. Plenty of scoring skill and move the puck around well. I'll take games like this quality wise just for entertainment value.

 

[Stoneman89]

This just supports once again that those stats are complete garbage and don't describe the game that occurred at all.

Even if you only watch the highlights (you didn't watch the game) you see more than six HDCF for the rangers. hell, they had more than that in 3rd period alone.

Plus you know that one of the goals you're counting is in shootout right, and that Campbell stopped several of those too. Another goal was 5 on 3. The Rangers goals were excellently worked and the only one you could say was outside of range was Zed but he was just getting everything on his shot last night. Howitzer. Rangers were on and are scoring a lot of goals and coming into this game they had around 5.5 goals on average in latest string of games. Plus the Oilers were defending like crap as a club. Campbell was abandoned for much of the game.

Well, we knew there would invevitably be someone on here that makes a bizarre criticism. We get a very good game out of one of our goalies, but the "stats don't line up" to support it. Lol.

Just like the other night after the Wings game when some clown on here said Moris Seider was trash because McDavid got some chances while playing against him.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Well, we knew there would invevitably be someone on here that makes a bizarre criticism. We get a very good game out of one of our goalies, but the "stats don't line up" to support it. Lol.

Just like the other night after the Wings game when some clown on here said Moris Seider was trash because McDavid got some chances while playing against him.

That was odd too. Seider was very good in the game. Not sure what there was not to like in his game. The guy even scored a goal.

I wish in some of the dumb counting numbers they had to list what are, and are not scoring chances. Still trying to wrap my head around a faux stat that says the Oil had twice as many scoring chances. Not in the game I watched.

 

[duul]

I watched the game and couldn't count more than six HDSC. Honestly that seems pretty fair. Aside from the 5 on 3, most of the goals were stoppable.

Another sub average peformance from a goalie. Proceeds to let in the absolute worst shootout goal I've ever seen to lose us the game as well.

The team goes on one of the highest PDO streaks to date, Campbell puts up a string of wins despite having bad numbers, and all of a sudden everyone is backing the guy. He made a couple great saves last night, but so did Shesterkin. So does every goalie. Goalies are supposed to be making good saves through a game.

They're also supposed to not let in stinkers. Campbell let in a few including the one that lost us the game.

Five goals against on 6 HDCF. Sub .900 performance once again. Not good enough. Anyone who disagrees with this is letting a narrative infiltrate objectivity.

 

[Stoneman89]

I watched the game and couldn't count more than six HDSC. Honestly that seems pretty fair. Aside from the 5 on 3, most of the goals were stoppable.

Another sub average peformance from a goalie. Proceeds to let in the absolute worst shootout goal I've ever seen to lose us the game as well.

The team goes on one of the highest PDO streaks to date, Campbell puts up a string of wins despite having bad numbers, and all of a sudden everyone is backing the guy. He made a couple great saves last night, but so did Shesterkin. So does every goalie. Goalies are supposed to be making good saves through a game.

They're also supposed to not let in stinkers. Campbell let in a few including the one that lost us the game.

Five goals against on 6 HDCF. Sub .900 performance once again. Not good enough. Anyone who disagrees with this is letting a narrative infiltrate objectivity.

Please inform me as to how you would expect him to stop the bang bang PP backdoor goal that Kreider got in the first.
And "worst" shootout goal ever?

 

[trick91]

Love to see all the posts about how Rangers had a ton of chances they should have scored on, but fail to mention the oiler posts they hit and the saves the goalie made.

Oilers played a terrible 3rd, but had their chances including Foegle missing an empty net late.

 

[brentashton]

I watched the game and couldn't count more than six HDSC. Honestly that seems pretty fair. Aside from the 5 on 3, most of the goals were stoppable.

Another sub average peformance from a goalie. Proceeds to let in the absolute worst shootout goal I've ever seen to lose us the game as well.

The team goes on one of the highest PDO streaks to date, Campbell puts up a string of wins despite having bad numbers, and all of a sudden everyone is backing the guy. He made a couple great saves last night, but so did…

Check my post history. I’ve been in Campbells corner right from day 1, through thick and thin. Yes, he had some significant struggles but has also played well at times. Go figure, 90% of goalies in the NHL are in this situation. 5% are supernova and the other 5 shouldn’t be here. Campbell has had a lot of fans stay with him recognizing how hard it is for goalies to switch team and get used to new systems and so on. But anyway…

 

[Drivesaitl]

I watched the game and couldn't count more than six HDSC. Honestly that seems pretty fair. Aside from the 5 on 3, most of the goals were stoppable.

Another sub average peformance from a goalie. Proceeds to let in the absolute worst shootout goal I've ever seen to lose us the game as well.

The team goes on one of the highest PDO streaks to date, Campbell puts up a string of wins despite having bad numbers, and all of a sudden everyone is backing the guy. He made a couple great saves last night, but so did Shesterkin. So does every goalie. Goalies are supposed to be making good saves through a game.

They're also supposed to not let in stinkers. Campbell let in a few including the one that lost us the game.

Five goals against on 6 HDCF. Sub .900 performance once again. Not good enough. Anyone who disagrees with this is letting a narrative infiltrate objectivity.

Just from watching the Rangers had even scoring chances to the Oilers as we staked out a 4-1 lead. I would say Rangers had 3 scoring chances in first period, Conservatively saying that. The rangers however started out 2nd period right and had a couple good chances early. The Rangers then had 3 outstanding scoring chances last few minutes of the 3rd. Want me to name them? Zed, Vesey, Chytil.

The Rangers then STARTED the 3rd period getting two great scoring chances right off the bat including the 4-3 goal. They then continued to dominate the period rattling off around 5 other chances.

The notion that the Rangers had only 6 HDSC in the game is the kind of statistical rubbish that contributes to analytics not even coming close to quantifying the game of hockey. Indeed a guy like zed that can score from range probably gets credited with zero scoring chances. Similarly the leading PP scorer in the league for several years, Drai, scores goals for fun off of areas that are not consisdered HDSC. A lot more to hockey than looking at dumb stats.