HOH Top-70 Pre-Merger Players List & Voting Record - BenchBrawl

[BenchBrawl]

Round 1 list

1​	Cyclone Taylor
2​	Frank Nighbor
3​	Newsy Lalonde
4​	Russell Bowie
5​	Sprague Cleghorn
6​	Georges Vezina
7​	Hod Stuart
8​	Joe Malone
9​	Hugh Lehman
10​	Clint Benedict
11​	Eddie Gerard
12​	Harry Cameron
13​	Jack Campbell
14​	Cy Denneny
15​	Frank Fredrickson
16​	Georges Boucher
17​	Weldy Young
18​	Frank Foyston
19​	Tommy Phillips
20​	Bob McDougall
21​	Moose Johnson
22​	Mickey MacKay
23​	Mike Grant
24​	Frank McGee
25​	Hap Holmes
26​	George Hay
27​	Babe Dye
28​	Percy Lesueur
29​	Art Ross
30​	Dan Bain
31​	Haviland Routh
32​	Lester Patrick
33​	Joe Hall
34​	George Richardson
35​	Duke Keats
36​	Herb Gardiner
37​	Harvey Pulford
38​	Allan Cameron
39​	Tommy Dunderdale
40​	Scotty Davidson
41​	Tom Paton
42​	Paddy Moran
43​	Joe Simpson
44​	Reg Noble
45​	Art Duncan
46​	Didier Pitre
47​	Jack Walker
48​	Reginald Bradley
49​	Shirley Davidson
50​	Gord Roberts
51​	Riley Hern
52​	Bouse Hutton
53​	Carson Cooper
54​	Tommy Smith
55​	Si Griffis
56​	Harry Oliver
57​	Jack Darragh
58​	Harry Trihey
59​	Alf Smith
60​	Ernie Russell
61​	James Stewart
62​	Harry Westwick
63​	Lloyd Cook
64​	Frank Patrick
65​	Marty Walsh
66​	Jack Marshall
67​	Bernie Morris
68​	Punch Broadbent
69​	Odie Cleghorn
70​	Dolly Swift
71​	Harry Smith
72​	Smokey Harris
73​	Archie Hodgson
74​	Graham Drinkwater
75​	Eddie Oatman
76​	Blair Russell
77​	Chauncey Kirby
78​	Bobby Rowe
79​	Bert Russell
80​	Bruce Stuart

Players ranked highest overall on this list
Cyclone Taylor at 1st (tied with 1 other)
Russell Bowie at 4th
Hugh Lehman at 9th (tied with 1 other)
Jack Campbell at 13th
Frank Foyston at 18th
Bob McDougall at 20th
Haviland Routh at 31st
Georges Richardson at 34th
Allan Cameron at 38th
Tom Paton at 41st
Reginald Bradley at 48th

Players ranked lowest overall on this list
Frank Nighbor at 2nd (tied with 2 others)
Lester Patrick at 32nd
Duke Keats at 35th (tied with 1 other)
Didier Pitre at 46th
Punch Broadbent at 68th

Players from our final Top 70 not ranked on this list
Dick Irvin
Harry Hyland
Jack Adams
Dickie Boon
Dubbie Kerr

Players unique to this list
none

Round 2 Voting Record

Vote 1

Vote 2

Vote 3

Vote 4

Vote 5

Vote 6

Vote 7

Vote 8

Vote 9

Vote 10

Vote 11

Vote 12

Vote 13

Vote 14

Nighbor

Malone

H. Stuart

McGee

H. Cameron

Hay

W. Young

J. Campbell

Hall

Paton

Paton

Paton

Paton

Hern

Taylor

Phillips

McGee

H. Cameron

Foyston

Simpson

Hall

Hall

MacDougall

Darragh

A. Cameron

Hern

Hern

Darragh

Lalonde

Gerard

H. Cameron

Foyston

Hay

Holmes

Bain

Walker

Dunderdale

Broadbent

Darragh

Darragh

Darragh

D. Kerr

S. Cleghorn

H. Stuart

Fredrickson

MacKay

Pulford

Lesueur

Simpson

Moran

Noble

Walsh

Broadbent

D. Kerr

D. Kerr

Shir. Davidson

Bowie

Benedict

G. Boucher

Hay

Simpson

Tom.Smith

Tom. Smith

Tom. Smith

Darragh

Duncan

Routh

Swift

Shir. Davidson

J. Adams

Vezina

Fredrickson

Lehman

Keats

Holmes

Ross

Walker

MacDougall

Broadbent

Routh

J. Marshall

B. Russell

B.Russell

B. Russell

Malone

G. Boucher

Cy Denneny

Holmes

Lesueur

Walker

A. Smith

Morris

Routh

J. Marshall

O. Cleghorn

Trihey

Trihey

Ha. Smith

Benedict

Lehman

Foyston

Grant

Ross

Pitre

Moran

Dunderdale

Walsh

Go. Roberts

E. Russell

O. Cleghorn

O. Cleghorn

Hutton

H. Stuart

Cy Denneny

MacKay

M. Johnson

Dye

Hall

Dunderdale

Noble

J. Marshall

O. Cleghorn

Trihey

Rowe

J. Adams

O. Cleghorn

Gerard

MacKay

Holmes

Dye

Walker

Noble

Noble

H. Gardiner

E. Russell

E. Russell

Swift

J. Adams

Rowe

Oatman

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[jigglysquishy]

I like this list. Didn't stick as much to consensus and reflects where the discussion ended up.

Taylor is 1 is defendable. I know you changed your vote in round 2, but I do think the gap between Nighbor and Taylor is small enough that it shouldn't be unanimous.

I really like Bowie at 4 and is where I would have him today.

 

[BenchBrawl]

I like this list. Didn't stick as much to consensus and reflects where the discussion ended up.

Taylor is 1 is defendable. I know you changed your vote in round 2, but I do think the gap between Nighbor and Taylor is small enough that it shouldn't be unanimous.

I really like Bowie at 4 and is where I would have him today.

Thanks! I ranked pre-1900s players very aggressively based on @rmartin65's research in the preliminary thread; especially Jack Campbell, Allan Cameron and Weldy Young (which I'm amazed anyone had higher than me, but @seventieslord beat me to it!)

Taylor at #1, I was receptive to @overpass' arguments, which echoed a sentiment I've held for a while that Taylor's star power exceeded Nighbor's. I changed my mind in Round 2 but I agree with you that the gap between them isn't as large as the consensus would suggest.

 

[BenchBrawl]

I'm surprised I wasn't the highest on Harry Cameron.

As for Lester Patrick, Duke Keats, Didier Pitre and Punch Broadbent, I've got nothing against them, they just fell victim to my aggressive rankings of pre-1900s players. Feels like a pretty random group for me to have at lowest, and it doesn't reflect on my opinion of them.

 

[BenchBrawl]

The player I gained the most respect for during the project, beyond the more obscure players, is Tommy Phillips. I discovered him in a new light during the Round 2 discussions. I would rank him 8th-9th on my list today.

Another is Frank McGee.

 

[rmartin65]

The player I gained the most respect for during the project, beyond the more obscure players, is Tommy Phillips. I discovered him in a new light during the Round 2 discussions. I would rank him 8th-9th on my list today.

Phillips is such an incredibly frustrating player to me. The divide between the stats we have and the way his contemporaries spoke about him is probably the largest we see on this list. He was one of the guys being talked about as not just the best player in the world, but the best player of all time.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Phillips is such an incredibly frustrating player to me. The divide between the stats we have and the way his contemporaries spoke about him is probably the largest we see on this list. He was one of the guys being talked about as not just the best player in the world, but the best player of all time.

I hear you. That's the beauty of pre-merger hockey research. Nothing makes sense.

I've long suspected the actual sport was more akin to figure skating and they just kept a score on the side for the heck of it. The real game was to impress the crowd and the reporters so the former would brawl until the cops arrive and the latter would write about your play with magnificent prose.

Phillips strike me as a player whose clutchness hit the collective imagination moreso than the rest.

 

[seventieslord]

One thing I liked about this project was how @BenchBrawl came in with Taylor over Nighbor, and @ResilientBeast came in with the opposite (which is the opposite of what one would think they'd say), almost like they were playing Devil's advocate or showing they could have an open mind and rank their favorite player somewhere other than first. But then in round 2 they both quit the charade.

 

[BenchBrawl]

One thing I liked about this project was how @BenchBrawl came in with Taylor over Nighbor, and @ResilientBeast came in with the opposite (which is the opposite of what one would think they'd say), almost like they were playing Devil's advocate or showing they could have an open mind and rank their favorite player somewhere other than first. But then in round 2 they both quit the charade.

Haha yeah, truth is I was willing to go with Taylor all the way but Round 2 discussions didn't turn out in his favor.