HOH Top 60 Goaltenders of All Time (2024 Edition) - Round 2, Vote 7

[MadArcand]

As the parent of three small kids, “sleep like a baby” is total bullshit.

As a parent of 3 and (not even) 1 year olds, I can agree only partially. They actually slept well as babies (from 2nd month onwards), but it got infinitely worse around the time the older one could get out of bed. At age 3+ she even needs melatonin to go to bed at child-appropriate time instead of staying up til 11-12...

However I don't know if "eating like a baby" is a thing, but that's where the real nightmares lie...


On topic, this round truly makes me happy I decided not to participate this time around. I feel like majority of these names are too early, some by far. I'd have an apoplexy trying to sort that mess out. The only ones I always truly liked were Beezer & Kipper.

 

[CuuuJooo]

Maybe it's because they went into the HOF together (still trying to process that), but to me, Barrasso and Vernon occupy a similar tier (ie, IT'S TOO SOON).

I would love to hear angry arguments from those more knowledgeable than me.

*sits back, cracks beer*

 

[Michael Farkas]

I agree. And Fuhr is on that tier too. Guys that knew how to play, but had serious flaws. High highs, low lows. Structurally proficient, but a bit unpolished.

Beer me!

 

[overpass]

Does anyone have any thoughts on Kiprusoff's large home/road split in his stats? I believe it's the largest among goalies in the last 25 years or more.

Career Home: 197-89-37, 2.23 GAA, 0.919 SV%
Career Road: 122-124-34, 2.79 GAA, 0.906 SV%

And his backups, who rarely played, played a substantial portion of Calgary's second half of back to backs on the road. So he was getting an easier selection of road games, if anything.

Does anyone who followed the Flames remember if Kiprusoff was known to be better at home? Or was it the whole team?

Subsequent Calgary goalies haven't had the same pattern to their home/road splits.

 

[Professor What]

Maybe it's because they went into the HOF together (still trying to process that), but to me, Barrasso and Vernon occupy a similar tier (ie, IT'S TOO SOON).

I would love to hear angry arguments from those more knowledgeable than me.

*sits back, cracks beer*

Well, I could buy Barrasso here. Glad Vernon isn't up.

I saw Barrasso as a borderline case for the Hall. Vernon was a no, just no.

 

[MadArcand]

I agree. And Fuhr is on that tier too. Guys that knew how to play, but had serious flaws. High highs, low lows. Structurally proficient, but a bit unpolished.

Beer me!

Nah. Vernon is at least two if not three tiers below either. Vernon's run of playoff incompetence on the 90s Flames is utterly unbelievable and historically unparalleled.

 

[blogofmike]

My impressions of who could steal me a playoff game:

Group 1
Known Thieves of Playoff Games

• Alec Connell
• Curtis Joseph
• John Vanbiesbrouck

Group 2
Capable Thieves who Were a Little More Likely than Group 1 Guys to Give Something Back

• Tom Barrasso
• Sergei Bobrovsky
• Marc-Andre Fleury
• Miikka Kiprusoff
• Hap Holmes
• Jonathan Quick
• Rogie Vachon

Group 3
Not Thieves, or at least not Huge Net Thieves

• Percy LeSueur
• Chuck Rayner
• Gump Worsley

Group 4
Would Give You The Jersey Off His Back

• Ed Giacomin

This is not the sum total of accomplishments, or entirely indicative of my votes (Quick should be high for me, and above Connell). I thought it was a fun way to have a discussion without saying "here's my ballot."

If anyone is particularly outraged about anyone in particular, please ask me to explain myself.

 

[frisco]

Maybe it's because they went into the HOF together (still trying to process that), but to me, Barrasso and Vernon occupy a similar tier (ie, IT'S TOO SOON).

I would love to hear angry arguments from those more knowledgeable than me.

*sits back, cracks beer*

Vezina Finalists:
Vernon 2
Barrasso 1-2-2-2-3

Vezina finishes aren't all there is obviously as it is just one piece of information, but in this case, I think it shows the difference between the two.

My Best-Carey

 

[frisco]

Playoff records:

• Tom Barrasso 61-54
• Sergei Bobrovsky 45-43
• Alec Connell 8-5
• Marc-Andre Fleury 92-74
• Ed Giacomin 29-35
• Hap Holmes N/A
• Curtis Joseph 63-66
• Miikka Kiprusoff 25-28
• Percy LeSueur N/A
• Chuck Rayner 9-9
• Jonathan Quick 49-43
• Rogie Vachon 23-23
• John Vanbiesbrouck 28-38
• Gump Worsley 40-26

Disclaimer: This is just one objective set of data. It is not the only measure of a goaltender's quality. Please use this with other information provided to help make your selections.

My Best-Carey

 

[CuuuJooo]

I do think Barrasso had more of a case than Vernon (although I'm still not convinced that the former should be in). Does the blame ultimately lie with Lanny McDonald's moustache?

 

[Michael Farkas]

Nah. Vernon is at least two if not three tiers below either. Vernon's run of playoff incompetence on the 90s Flames is utterly unbelievable and historically unparalleled.

Give me more here...? (If you please). I really don't see as big of a gap as other folks. Three tiers below puts him down in like...what...Ron Hextall territory? Jon Casey?

 

[blogofmike]

I agree. And Fuhr is on that tier too. Guys that knew how to play, but had serious flaws. High highs, low lows. Structurally proficient, but a bit unpolished.

Beer me!

I agree more with the you from the last project...

Was Billy Smith ever in a prolonged situation where he couldn't look "always good"? Honest question. He never really faced any different circumstances like Fuhr did. Eras and teams change with Fuhr, plus international competition...Smith was a tandem goalie and that goalie always had the best years of his career in the tandem...often statistically outdueling him...too often for me to consider him here.

Smith is going to have a real hard time getting too much credit from me personally. I think Fuhr was comfortably better than him...