HOH Top 60 Goaltenders of All Time (2024 Edition) - Round 2, Vote 7

Dr John Carlson

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Procedure
  • In this vote, you will be presented with 14 players based on their ranking in the Round 1 aggregate list
  • Players will be listed in alphabetical order to avoid creating bias
  • You will submit ten names in a ranked order, #1 through #10, without ties via PM to both @Dr John Carlson and @Professor What. That means four names out of these fourteen will be left unranked on your ballot.
  • Use the same private message thread every week rather than starting a new PM
  • Results of this vote will be posted after each voting cycle, but the individual ballots themselves will remain secret until the completion of this project
  • The top 5 players will be added to the final list (unless a very large break exists at the spot between 4&5 (or 3&4!), or the break between 5&6 is minimal)
  • Lists of players eligible for voting will grow as the project continues
  • Voting threads will continue until we have added 60 names to the list, for a total of 12 voting threads

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Guidelines
  • Respect each other. No horseplay or sophistry!
  • Please refrain from excessive use of the 'laughing' reaction to indicate disagreement
  • Stay on topic and don't get caught up in talking about non-eligible players
  • Participate, but retain an open mind throughout the discussion
  • Do not speculate who cast any particular ballot. Do not make judgments about the mindset of whoever cast that particular ballot. All individual ballots will be revealed at the end of the project
  • Anybody may participate in the discussion, whether they submitted a list or not

House Rules
  • Any attempts to derail a discussion thread with disrespect to old-time hockey will be met with frontier justice
  • Take a drink when someone mentions the number of hockey registrations in a given era
  • Finish your drink when someone mentions that wins are a team stat

The actual voting period will open up on Friday, November 29th at midnight and continue through Sunday, December 1st at 11:59 PM Eastern time. I will release the results of the vote the morning of Monday, December 2nd, at which point the next voting thread will begin.


Vote 7 Candidates
  • Tom Barrasso
  • Sergei Bobrovsky
  • Alec Connell
  • Marc-Andre Fleury
  • Ed Giacomin
  • Hap Holmes
  • Curtis Joseph
  • Miikka Kiprusoff
  • Percy LeSueur
  • Chuck Rayner
  • Jonathan Quick
  • Rogie Vachon
  • John Vanbiesbrouck
  • Gump Worsley
 

jigglysquishy

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Vezina Shares

Stolen from @TheDevilMadeMe 's methodology and updated to 2024

There are 22 goalies with a 1.0 share or higher

GoalieTimesShare
1Martin Brodeur155.40
2Dominik Hasek114.76
3Patrick Roy174.63
4Connor Hellebucyk52.63
5Ed Belfour112.51
6Pekka Rinne52.12
7Andrei Vasilevsky62.05
8Tom Barrasso71.98
9Sergei Bobrovsky61.97
10Henrik Lundqvist101.93
11Grant Fuhr81.84
12Braden Holtby31.68
13Roberto Luongo91.66
14Tim Thomas31.55
15John Vanbiesbrouck91.52
16Tuukka Rask51.50
17Miikka Kiprusoff71.44
18Carey Price71.40
19Evgeni Nabokov61.23
20Curtis Joseph81.02
21Pete Peeters31.02
22Igor Shesterkin31.02
Bolded are eligible. Italicized are inducted

Fleury is at 0.86, Quick at 0.75.

Times top 3
Barrasso - 5 (1,2,2,2,3)
Bobrovsky - 3 (1,1,3)
Kiprusoff - 3 (1,2,3)
Joseph - 3 (2,3,3)
Vanbiesbrouck - 2 (1,2)
Quick - 2 (2,3)
Fleury 1 - (1)

All-Star Teams (1945 onwards)

PlayerFirstSecondThirdTotalWeighted Total
Ed Giacomin
1​
3​
0​
4​
14​
Tom Barrasso
1​
2​
1​
4​
12​
Sergei Bobrovsky
2​
0​
1​
3​
11​
Harry Lumley
2​
0​
0​
2​
10​
Chuck Rayner
0​
3​
0​
3​
9​
Gump Worsley
1​
1​
0​
2​
8​
John Vanbiesbrouck
1​
1​
0​
2​
8​
Rogatien Vachon
0​
2​
0​
2​
6​
Miikka Kiprusoff
1​
0​
0​
1​
5​
Jonathan Quick
0​
1​
1​
2​
4​
Marc-Andre Fleury
0​
1​
0​
1​
3​
Curtis Joseph
0​
0​
0​
0​
0​



You can see a bit of a divide between AS teams and Vezina voting. Joseph and Kiprusoff combined for 6 Vezina top-3 finishes, but combined for only top-3 AS finish.
 
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Michael Farkas

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Sergei Bobrovsky - I mean, if the playoffs aren't a huge, huge deal to you, then pair him as close as you can to Esposito. He's a weird one. He's not as technically poor as Espo, but he's a goalie who really wears his mental weakness as a scarlet letter. High highs, very low lows.

Alec Connell - I threw him on as the very last name on my list because he's the all time leader in GAA or whatever. He's more trivia question than substance from everything I've read. He was the player that I did a deep dive on in the 2012 project, and came up surprisingly empty-handed in terms of praise. I can't imagine what he's doing here right now.

Marc-Andre Fleury - Certainly a better bet than Barrasso. Fleury had his high highs and low lows period. Late career, he settled in to being a more reliable, less reflexive goalie and he wore that well. He didn't play for defensive teams very much during his long career...but as a player that developed under the old rules (where he played for basically an expansion team to start, with no full-time goalie coach at 18 years old), then made an impact in the new world, was dealt some tough hands during DPE 2.0 (and then vengefully dealt those bad hands back to his own team at times), and then in the new and improved new-nuNHL he became a regular in the Vezina conversation...he's an interesting one. Definitely someone I'd have over Barrasso and Bobrovsky for that matter. But he'll be a tough one to place in general...happy to see him available though.

Eddie Giacomin - I had a hunch that the film was going to be kind to him and that I'd pump his tires as a result...wrong. He's basically Esposito and Vachon. He tried to two pad stack and slide basically every shot, so it's fun to watch...but like we saw with Espo, the guys that throw themselves all over the floor generally don't win, and they generally don't have later career success. Well, here ya go again...I had Giacomin and Esposito back to back on my prelim list...deep in the 60's.
 
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jigglysquishy

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The HHOF officially recognizes 9 dynasties.

50s Habs - Plante (3rd)
50s Red Wings - Sawchuk (4th) and Lumley (29th)
70s Habs - Dryden (8th)
60s Leafs - Bower (16th) and Sawchuk (4th)
20s Sens - Benedict (18th)
40s Leafs - Broda (20th)
80s Islanders - Smith (27th)
80s Oilers - Fuhr (31st)

The only one left is the 60s Habs (Vachon and Worsley).

After the top 4 (where the teams are incredibly stacked AND have 10/10 goaltending), it's pretty much a list of how much a team needed their goalies to be elite to win. Smith was only needed to be great on the last two, Fuhr really only needed to be great in 1987.

For the 60s Habs, they're the only dynasty where goaltending is a noted weakness.

Just an interesting look at it.
 
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MXD

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The HHOF officially recognizes 9 dynasties.

50s Habs - Plante (3rd)
50s Red Wings - Sawchuk (4th) and Lumley (29th)
70s Habs - Dryden (8th)
60s Leafs - Bower (16th) and Sawchuk (4th)
20s Sens - Benedict (18th)
40s Leafs - Broda (20th)
80s Islanders - Smith (27th)
80s Oilers - Fuhr (31st)

The only one left is the 60s Habs (Vachon and Worsley).

After the top 4 (where the teams are incredibly stacked AND have 10/10 goaltending), it's pretty much a list of how much a team needed their goalies to be elite to win. Smith was only needed to be great on the last two, Fuhr really only needed to be great in 1987.

For the 60s Habs, they're the only dynasty where goaltending is a noted weakness.

Just an interesting look at it.

Not the first year.

I'm giving up.
 

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