HOH Top 60 Goaltenders of All Time (2024 Edition) - Round 2, Vote 12

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I don't see the comparison with Durnan. I get the team factor, and I get that Durnan played in a weaker league for a good part of his career, but he was consistent as far as anything I understand. Maybe I'm being too tough on Thomas. I don't know. But I don't think that's an appropriate comparison.

Thomas at absolute face value would've been voted in a while ago.
I agree with this. But I don't think face value is accurate.
 
Two seasons and basically nothing else? I don't think he would have been voted yet at all. Have we really taken anyone with this few relevant impact seasons yet?

And also, if everyone isn't taking him at face value...why aren't you? Must be something haha
 
Two seasons and basically nothing else? I don't think he would have been voted yet at all. Have we really taken anyone with this few relevant impact seasons yet?

Shesterkin. His 5th best season (which is, THIS season) is probably on par with Thomas' 5th best season (which was the immediately post-lockout, also a partial season like Shesterkin's current season), and if you tell me that Thomas' numers were a bit too close to Toivonen, I'll replay that Shesterkin's numbers are a bit to close to the positively ancient Jonathan Quick. Last word on topic, won't entertain reply, thank you.
 
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Yeah, why would we want any discussion on a goalie available haha

If Shestyorkin going 3 for 3 in the NHL and has immediately been considered one of the league's elite goalies in a pretty tough situation is similar to Thomas then...well, what difference does it make if we're not willing to chat about it haha
 
Ok, so no credit for his non-NHL stuff is good. But you, who targets Brodeur harder than most because of his team and a buzzword, takes Thomas at face value? Tough to square. You give out a lot of punishment to Brodeur specifically (as if Roy and others didn't play for defensive clubs)...but Thomas strings together a couple seasons and it's just grand?

If Durnan was a bad goalie, I'd be right there with you. I was extremely skeptical of him for the longest time. Turns out he knew what he was doing, so I had to change my tune.

Wonder how Brodeur got into this discussion? Anyway, I never referred to him as a stiff, a bum or as rubbish. I'm not the one that gives out punishing reviews.

But to me, the Devils were significantly better defensively than the Bruins that we are talking about.
 
Wonder how Brodeur got into this discussion? Anyway, I never referred to him as a stiff, a bum or as rubbish. I'm not the one that gives out punishing reviews.

But to me, the Devils were significantly better defensively than the Bruins that we are talking about.
Maybe, maybe not. Boston is certainly a better save pct pumper. And folks live and die by that.

Here's the thing...and don't think I don't get it, I do...but here's the thing: when I love a goalie that people love, it's "this is great analysis" but when I dislike a goalie that maybe some people like it's "what a boob, this guy stinks".

But my process is the same. I'm not asking anyone to adhere, but I'm on the panel, so I state what I see.

But I don't have to worry about "save pct of backups" and other noise. I can. And sometimes I use it to help illustrate a point so that it resonates with folks that use that type of thing.

We've been at this for a long time...not me or you or Tim Thomas...but this board. You have been watching hockey for longer than me on TV. What percentage of the coverage is legitimately critical? Who is out there writing in THN "this line was the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked"...?

It's rare. So now we have to sit there and go "all right, let's assume that no mention means 'bad'...or neutral...or just that they were overshadowed by someone better..." and then we take almost everything that's written that's good at face value. And folks will keep score on how much positivity there is...primarily from media types with unknown knowledge of the game, specifically goaltending.

Again, it's like media coverage of a draft. How many times have you watched a draft and heard someone picked in the first round and the analysts go, "probably not gonna make it because..."?

Never.

The culture of this sport is nothing but atta-boys...the coverage of it is an extreme version of that. If you go against that, you get what you get and that's fine. But amassing just happy thoughts and hugs just doesn't make sense to me.
 

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