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1904 CAHL Season

TeamWinsLossesTiesGoals ForGoals Against
Quebec HC5105037
Montreal Victorias53074 or 7548 or 49
Ottawa HC4003215
Montreal Hockey Club24034 or 3548 or 49
Montreal Shamrocks0703274

Note 1: Ottawa HC left the CAHL in February, eventually joining the FAHL and playing for the Championship there. The point of contention was due to the league attempting to force Ottawa HC to replay a game against the Montreal Victorias. Ottawa HC had a 4-1 lead with 17 minutes left when the game was called due to it being midnight. According to a reported agreement, the game should have been replayed. Despite the CAHL wanting this game replayed, I’m electing to include this game in this table and the stats in the following tables, as sample sizes for this time period are small enough as it is.

Skater Stats
NameTeamPositionGoalsAssistPoints
Bowie*VictoriasRover27027
JordanQuebec HCRover20222
HowardVictoriasCenter16016
RussellVictoriasLW16016
F. McGee**Ottawa HCCenter11112
J. PowerQuebec HCLW9312
SargentMontreal HCR/C819
F. Grannary/GranneryShamrocksRover628
CoulsonMontreal HCRW707
P. BrennanShamrocksLW707
FoulisShamrocksRW707
SmithOttawa HCRW527
StanleyQuebec HCCenter527
WestwickOttawa HCRover437
S. GilmourOttawa HCLW606
HooperMontreal HCC/R505
W. CummingsShamrocksW/C404
F. PatrickVictoriasRW404
G. CummingsShamrocksCenter303
DavidsonVictoriasCover/P303
EwingVictoriasP/F303
ScottOttawa HCLW123
HoganQuebec HCCover202
MagorVictoriasCover202
MeldrumMontreal HCPoint202
BensonVictoriasForward112
CameronMontreal HCCover101
HollidayQuebec HCCover101
OuthetMontreal HCW101
BlairQuebec HCPoint011
HorsfallMontreal HCCover001
Maybe BowieVictoriasRover022
Maybe F. McGeeOttawa HCCenter011
Bowie, Molson, or RussellVictoriasN/A202
F. McGee or SmithOttawa HCN/A202
Bowie, Davidson, or MolsonVictoriasN/A101
Coulson or HooperMontreal HCN/A101
G. Cummings or F. GrannaryShamrocksN/A101
Jordan or StanleyQuebec HCN/A101
F. McGee, Smith, or ScottOttawa HCN/A101
F. McGee or WestwickOttawa HCN/A101
Smith or WestwickOttawa HCN/A101
UNKMontreal HCN/A909
UNKQuebec HCN/A505
UNKShamrocksN/A404
* Russell Bowie almost certainly registered at least two more points, as he was credited with either the goal or an assist on the same two goals scored in Game #3 on 9 January.

** Frank McGee almost certainly registered at least one more point, as he was credited with either the goal or an assist on the same goal scored in Game #3 on 9 January.

Goalie Stats
NameTeamGamesGoals AgainstGAA
HuttonOttawa HC4153.75
NicholVictorias848 or 496.00 or 6.13
MoranQuebec HC6376.17
WaughMontreal HC531 or 326.20 or 6.40
BrophyMontreal HC188.00
KennyShamrocks4358.75
PriceMontreal HC199.00
CloranShamrocks33913.00

Game #1: Montreal Victorias vs Montreal Shamrocks, 2 January 1904
The Shamrocks get blown out to start another season. As is usual for blowouts, there isn’t a lot about the actual game.

A Montreal paper wrote: “The forwards of both teams worked in fine style, though the experience of Bowie, Blair, Russell and Howard gave a decided advantage to the Victoria men”

“The Victoria defence was steady, and Davidson’s work was noticeable. However, Eqing was a most useful man, blocking most of the shots that went toward the net”

“Grannery looks a comer, but he has yet a great deal to learn. O’Brien went well, but is a bit slow in action. Cloran was unfortunate and had but little chance to do anything, as the defence failed to protect him to any extent”

“Bowie played a hard, effective game, but Walter Cummings rather surprised the Vic captain. The Shamrock youngster has a bunch of speed, a neat style of handling the puck, and deserve a word for his clean and consistent game. Geo. Cummings is a going well”

Final Score: 18-2 Victorias

Rosters
Victorias: Nichol in goal, Ewing at point, Davidson at cover, Bowie, Howard, Russell, and Benson at forward

Shamrocks: Cloran in goal, O’Brien at point, Granary at cover, W. Cummings, Lowe, G. Cummings, and Foulis at forward

TeamGoal ScorerAssistAssist
VictoriasRussellN/AN/A
ShamrocksG. CummingsN/AN/A
VictoriasHowardN/AN/A
VictoriasBowieN/AN/A
VictoriasRussellN/AN/A
ShamrocksW. CummingsN/AN/A
VictoriasRussellN/AN/A
VictoriasBowieN/AN/A
VictoriasBowieN/AN/A
VictoriasRussellN/AN/A
VictoriasRussellN/AN/A
VictoriasRussellN/AN/A
VictoriasEwingN/AN/A
VictoriasRussellN/AN/A
VictoriasEwingN/AN/A
VictoriasHowardN/AN/A
VictoriasHowardN/AN/A
VictoriasEwingN/AN/A
VictoriasHowardN/AN/A
VictoriasBowieN/AN/A

Game #2: Montreal HC vs Quebec HC, 2 January 1904
Moran makes a couple saves, but it is Montreal that scores first, as Hooper converts on a pass from Sargent. Power scores on a pass from Stanley. Stanley then scores on a pass from Power. Garneau scores, then Jordan “after a pretty run from centre”. Jordan scores again, then Power. Meldrum scores off a Horsfall pass. Some physicality enters the game. Jordan scores, then Holliday. Jordan gets another, assisted by Power. Hooper scores the final game.

A Montreal paper wrote: “... their [Montreal’s] defence, outside of Meldrum, showed up very poorly”

“Hooper and Meldrum, for Montreal, were really the only two of the Montreal team who were in the game”

Another Montreal paper reported: “Horsfall and Hooper put up the best game for the visitors. Moran, for Quebec, was unsurpassable and was well supported by Leader. Jordan and Power showed up especially well on the forward line”

Final Score: 9-3 Quebec HC

Rosters
Montreal: Price in goal, Meldrum at point, Horsfall at cover, Sargent, Hooper, Church, and Casselman at forward

Quebec: Moran at forward, Leader at point, Holliday at cover, Stanley, Jordan, Garneau, and Power at forward

TeamGoal ScorerAssistAssist
MontrealHooperSargentN/A
QuebecPowerStanleyN/A
QuebecStanleyPowerN/A
QuebecGarneauN/AN/A
QuebecJordanN/AN/A
QuebecJordanN/AN/A
QuebecPowerN/AN/A
MontrealMeldrumHorsfallN/A
QuebecJordanN/AN/A
QuebecHollidayN/AN/A
QuebecJordanPowerN/A
MontrealHooperN/AN/A

Game #3: Montreal Victorias vs Ottawa HC, 9 January 1904
Honestly, the game reports on this one are a mess, so I’m not even going to try to reconstruct/give an overview of it. There is way too much uncertainty surrounding who did what depending on the source. Even sources from the same city have different players involved in particular plays

An Ottawa paper wrote: “Jim McGee, replacing Pulford at point, played a consistent game and lifted well. For a junior, Scott, who replaced Suddie Gilmour, made a good showing, but he didn’t have the speed and staying powers of the more seasoned players”

“Smith, Westwick and Frank McGee, on the Ottawa line, were fast enough to outplay the opposing quartet. Bowie as easily the star of the Vics line though he was inclined to do too much individual work”

“Alf. Smith’s hockey was of the brilliant order, he playing his position consistently, notwithstanding that he had not fully recovered from injuries received in the second Stanley cup game. Although severely injured several times during the game Frank McGee was the same tricky player to the end. Jim McGee at point was always at home and bodied well. Art Moore’s bodywork and lifting were as usual superb. Ewing, the Vic point, also made good use of the body”

“But for the Vic goaltend’s cleverness Ottawa would have put up a much larger score”

A Montreal paper wrote: “Bowie and Molson seemed to be the only men playing the real thing”

“For the Ottawas the rushes of Westwick and Smith seemed irresistible, and time and again they went through the Victoria line. For the Victorias, the great strength was in Ewing in the second half and in Bowie and Molson throughout the game”

Another Montreal paper reported: “The match was marked by the brilliant individual work of the Vics’ forward line, especially that of Bowie, while the combination work of F. McGee, Westwick and Smith was simply marvellous”

“Hutton was at his best, and that is saying a whole lot. Moore was steady”

“While Ewing was at cover point for a short period the maroons put up a far better game while Davidson did better work at point than at the more advanced post. Davidson’s fault is that his lifts are low”

“Molson and Russell at times fitted in nicely with Bowie in rushing. Benson was brilliant at times but lacked steadiness. Nicholl in goal made numerous stops”

Final Score: 10-6 Ottawa HC

Rosters
Victorias: Nichol in goal, Ewing at point, Davidson at cover, Molson at center, Bowie at rover, Benson at RW, and Russell at LW

Ottawa: Hutton in goal, J. McGee at point, Moore at cover, F. McGee at center, Westwick at rover, Smith at RW, and Scott at LW

TeamGoal ScorerAssistAssist
OttawaScott, Smith or F. McGeeN/AN/A
OttawaWestwick or F. McGeeMaybe F. McGeeN/A
OttawaSmith or WestwickN/AN/A
VictoriasDavidson or Molson or BowieMaybe BowieN/A
OttawaSmith or F. McGeeScottN/A
OttawaF. McGee or SmithN/AN/A
OttawaSmithN/AN/A
VictoriasBowieN/AN/A
OttawaF. McGeeN/AN/A
VictoriasDavidsonN/AN/A
OttawaF. McGeeScottWestwick
VictoriasBowie or Russell or MolsonMaybe BowieN/A
VictoriasBowieN/AN/A
OttawaWestickN/AN/A
VictoriasMolson or Bowie or RussellN/AN/A
OttawaScottSmithN/A

Game #4: Quebec HC vs Montreal Shamrocks, 9 January 1904
While the previous game had too much (and conflicting) information, this one has very little.

A Montreal paper wrote: “Their [Quebec’s] forwards, particularly Jordan and Power, seemed fast and sure”

An Ottawa paper reported: “Their [Quebec’s] defence is not so strong, although Moran in the ents stopped some hard shot and worked hard to relieve the pressure, which at times was strong”

Final Score: 13-5 Quebec HC

Rosters
Quebec: Moran in goal, Leader at point, Holliday at cover, Jordan, Stanley, Garneau, and Power at forward

Shamrocks: Cloran in goal, O’Brien at point, E. Grannary at cover, Brennan, Rowe, Foulis, and J. Grannary at forward

TeamGoal ScorerAssistAssist
QuebecStanleyN/AN/A
ShamrocksBrennanN/AN/A
QuebecPowerN/AN/A
QuebecJordanN/AN/A
ShamrocksF. GrannaryN/AN/A
QuebecPowerN/AN/A
ShamrocksFoulisN/AN/A
ShamrocksBrennanN/AN/A
QuebecGarneauN/AN/A
QuebecJordanN/AN/A
ShamrocksFoulisN/AN/A
QuebecJordanN/AN/A
QuebecJordanN/AN/A
QuebecJordanN/AN/A
QuebecJordanN/AN/A
QuebecJordanN/AN/A
QuebecJordanN/AN/A
QuebecJordanN/AN/A

Game #5: Ottawa HC vs Montreal HC, 16 January 1904
Ottawa starts off on the attack, but Montreal is able to repel. Frank McGee breaks up a Montreal rush, as does Moore. Hutton makes a couple saves. Cameron makes a stop, and Coulson scores on the following rush. J. McGee and Hutton get some credit for defensive work. Smith eventually evens the score after a pass from Westwick. Westwick then scores the next two. Hooper or Coulson score next for Montreal. Hutton comes up big in the next game, his play being described as “gilt-edged”. Moore’s lifting was also noted. S. Gilmour scores. Frank McGee then scores three in a row, the last being “after a brilliant piece of work”. S. Gilmour scores again after a pass from Westwick. Coulson scores the last of the match.

A Montreal paper wrote: “Montreal presented a much lighter aggregation, but the fact developed that they have made a find in Coulson, who played the star game of the evening. He was the worker among the forwards, was all over the ice, was in the right place at the right time and scored the three games credited to the club”

Another Montreal paper reported: “The man who distinguished himself the most among the Montrealers was Coulson, who is always noticeable by the bandage he wears around his head for the purpose, it is supposed, of keeping the perspiration out of his eyes. Archie Hooper played a good game, but did nothing extraordinary”

An Ottawa paper wrote: “At point, Jim McGee was a star and scintillated in a manner that surprised even the knowing ones. He blocked perfectly, lifted well and relieved expeditiously. Moore was steady too, but was greatly handicapped by his skates”

“Bouse Hutton in goal played a masterly game and was repeatedly applauded for his clever stops”

Another Ottawa paper reported: “On the Montreal line, Hooper, the captain, and Coulson, at right wing, were perhaps the most effective”

“On the defence Cameron at cover was the most effective, but marred his good work by the tendency to trip. Meldrum also blocked and cleared cleverly”

“Moore and Jim McGee, on the defence, were hard men to get by as no doubt more than one Montreal forward can testify. Jim used the body well and blocked and cleared like a veteran”

Final Score: 8-3 Ottawa HC

Rosters
Ottawa: Hutton in goal, J. McGee at point, Moore at cover, Westwick at center, F. McGee at rover, Scott at LW (replaced by S. Gilmour), and Smith at RW

Montreal: Brophy in goal, Meldrum at point, Cameron at cover, Hooper at center, Sargent at rover, Church at LW, Coulson at RW

TeamGoal ScorerAssistAssist
MontrealCoulsonN/AN/A
OttawaSmithWestwickN/A
OttawaWestwickN/AN/A
OttawaWestwickN/AN/A
MontrealCoulson or HooperN/AN/A
OttawaS. GilmourN/AN/A
OttawaF. McGeeN/AN/A
OttawaF. McGeeN/AN/A
OttawaF. McGeeN/AN/A
OttawaS. GilmourWestwickN/A
MontrealCoulsonN/AN/A

Game #6: Montreal Victorias vs Quebec HC, 16 January 1904
Benson scores the first of the game, and then passes to Bowie, who scores the second. Leader makes a rush, but to no avail. Jordan eventually puts Quebec on the board. Quebec has the initiative, and Nichol is a busy man in net. Garneau finally gets one past him. The Quebec onslaught doesn’t stop there, however, and Jordan scores again on a pass from Stanley. Bowie stops the bleeding, scoring the next game for the Victorias. Power puts Quebec back in the lead, but Russell ties it up before the half. The second half is dominated by the Victorias- Davidson scores, then Bowie pots three, Russell two, and Magor two. Garneau scores the final game of the match. Davidson apparently injured Power in the second half.

A Montreal paper wrote: “Nicholl, Bowie and Russell showed up especially well for the Vics, while Leader, Jordan and Power played the best hockey for Quebec”

Final Score: 12-5 Victorias

Rosters
Victorias: Nichol in goal, Davidson at point, Magor at cover, Benson, Bowie, Ewing, and Russell at forward

Quebec: Moran in goal, Leader at point, Holliday at cover, Stanley, Power, Garneau, and Jordan at forward

TeamGoal ScorerAssistAssist
VictoriasBensonN/AN/A
VictoriasBowieBensonN/A
QuebecJordanN/AN/A
QuebecGarneauN/AN/A
QuebecJordanStanleyN/A
VictoriasBowieN/AN/A
QuebecPowerN/AN/A
VictoriasRussellN/AN/A
VictoriasDavidsonN/AN/A
VictoriasBowieN/AN/A
VictoriasBowieN/AN/A
VictoriasBowieN/AN/A
VictoriasRussellN/AN/A
VictoriasRussellN/AN/A
VictoriasMagorN/AN/A
VictoriasMagorN/AN/A
QuebecGarneauN/AN/A

Game #7: Montreal Shamrocks vs Montreal HC, 20 January 1904
Not much on this one, mostly just rosters and scorers.

A Montreal paper wrote: “Sargeant and Hooper were the particular stars of the Montreal forward line and both were deadly when in the neighborhood of the poles. THe Montreal defence played a steady, effective game, and Waugh, in the poles, was good”

“Jack Brennan was induced to put on his skates and come to the rescue of the Shamrock team. He played point, and when it is considered that this was his first appearance on the ice this season, he must be given credit for a fair game. Granary played a good game at point, but appeared to find disfavor with the referee, while more serious offenders escaped notice. On the forward line Lowe did the best work and Peter Brennan tried hard enough”

Another Montreal paper reported: “Of the Montreal players, Mssrs. Sargeant, Coulson and Hooper distinguished themselves more than their fellows, their work upon the forward line being particularly energetic”

“Messrs. Lowe and P. Brennan did good but ineffectual work on the forward line”

An Ottawa paper wrote: “Their [the Shamrocks’] forwards, particularly Lowe, were always dangerous and but for the fine work of Meldrum and Waugh would have scored oftener. The latter’s appearance in the Montreal ranks was a distinct success. On the other hand, Cloran, though well supported by H. Brennan and F. Granary, was never safe”

“Hooper was not up to his usual game, but Sergeant was probably the best man on the ice, while Church and Coulson did good work”

Final Score: 8-3 Montreal HC

Rosters
Montreal HC: Waugh in goal, Meldrum at point, Cameron at cover, Hooper at cover, Sargent at center, Coulson at RW, and Church (replaced by Liffiton) at LW

Shamrocks: Cloran in goal, J. Brennan at point, F. Granary at cover, J. Granary at rover, Lowe at center, Foulis at RW, and P. Brennan at LW

TeamGoal ScorerAssistAssist
Montreal HCHooperN/AN/A
Montreal HCSargentN/AN/A
ShamrocksFoulisN/AN/A
ShamrocksP. BrennanN/AN/A
ShamrocksP. BrennanN/AN/A
Montreal HCCoulsonN/AN/A
Montreal HCSargentN/AN/A
Montreal HCHooperN/AN/A
Montreal HCHooperN/AN/A
Montreal HCSargentN/AN/A
Montreal HCSargentN/AN/A

Game #8: Montreal Victorias vs Montreal HC, 23 January 1904
I don’t have much on this one.

A Montreal paper reported: “There are no laggards on the Victoria forward line, and the principle they adopt of following back is one which is bounce to be rewarded. The difference between the two attacking divisions is that when the Victoria line broke through, the opposing forwards left to the defence the work of intercepting the rush. There were two exceptions, in Coulson and Sargeant, who doggedly stuck to their positions”

“Casselman and Hooper were weak spots on the Montreal forward line, and both appeared to be infected with the same desire to hang back and await an opportunity. The result was that, while they were waiting for the opportunity, other men were making opportunities. Both worked hard enough in the end, and Casselman performed some really brilliant runs, but his star shone only when it was too late”

“Patrick, late of Westmount, made his appearance in a Victoria uniform, and played at right wing. Considering the importance of the contest, and the fact that he was playing a side position and not a centre one, such as he has been accustomed to, the suburbanite did exceedingly well. However, he was a trifle too anxious and made an effort to do more than his own share of the work. A similar fault was shown by Coulson, another ex-Westmount chap, by the way, who checked Blair Russell. However, in Coulson’s case it was necessary to make up for the shortcomings of others”

“There was another Westmount man on the ice, Waugh, who played goal for Montreal, and he, too, is worthy of a word. His work in the first half when the Victorias had a good line on the Montreal defence and were ripping them in from all quarters, was of the very best. He stopped them high and low and the ones that got away from him would hardly have been stopped by any other man”

Another Montreal paper reported: “Waugh by the way made an excellent goalkeeper. He is one of the Westmount recruits who have sprung into prominence within the last year or so, and he promises to be a great find for the place left vacant by the departure of Nicholson to the Wanderers”

“Bowie, Howard and Russell did wonderful work, Bowie as ever taking all sorts of chances and rushing, one would think, almost blindly in on the goals”

“Montreal, however, has a man, whose methods in a general way are a good deal like Bowie’s, and who displays the same recklessness in regard to danger, and the same daredevil rushes. He is fast and smooth and knows how to check and how to shoot. This is Coulson, who always wears a bandage around his forehead, with short flowing ends, like a Roman charioteer”

“Some people he [Coulson] reminded of Phillips, but at any rate, if he does not get so seriously hurt as to be put out of the game, he will be a wonder. He was ably assisted by Sargent, but Hooper did very little till the end of the match, and Casselman was also backward in his work till he could not help getting warmed up by the ardour of the others in the last dozen of minutes. Both seemed loath to go in too close, and most of their shots from centre were ineffective”

“The Montreal defence was pretty steady, and though Cameron went out a little far at times it was usually to a good purpose”

“Patrick, another Westmount man on the VIctoria team, seemed not quite at home, but shows considerable promise”

An Ottawa paper wrote: “The stars of the evening outside of the vocalist were Coulson and Waugh for Montreal, and Bowie and Russell, for Victoria. Patrick, late of the Westmount intermediate team, made his first appearance in senior ranks, and played a fairly good game, but did not make the showing Waugh, his late team mate, made with his phenomenal stops in goal for Montreal. He certainly is a wonder, and received the applause of the large crowd, which he thoroughly deserved. Coulson was in evidence all evening, as a body-checker and sharp-shooter. He has the makings of a first-class senior player, and why he and his little white bandage have been hid in intermediate company so long it is hard to say”

Final Score: 8-5 or 7-6 Victorias

Rosters
Victorias: Nichol in goal, Davidson at point, Magor at cover, Bowie at rover, Howard at center, Russell at LW, and Patrick at RW

Montreal HC: Waugh in goal, Meldrum at point, Cameron at cover, Hooper at rover, Sargent at center, Casselman at LW, and Coulson at RW

TeamGoal ScorerAssistAssist
VictoriasBowieN/AN/A
VictoriasHowardN/AN/A
Montreal HCCoulsonN/AN/A
VictoriasHowardN/AN/A
VictoriasBowieN/AN/A
VictoriasBowieN/AN/A
Montreal HCCameronN/AN/A
VictoriasHowardN/AN/A
Montreal HCSargentN/AN/A
VictoriasPatrickN/AN/A
VictoriasRussellN/AN/A
Montreal HCCoulsonN/AN/A
Montreal HCSargentN/AN/A

Game #9: Montreal Shamrocks vs Quebec HC, 30 January 1904
Power takes the puck off the face, beats Brennan, and passes to Garneau, who is able to score. Jordan strikes next. Moran is a busy man, but keeps the puck out of the net. Brennan and O’Brien are noted for fine defensive play. Power scores off a Jordan pass. Jordan again sets up Power for a goal, this time from behind the net. Jordan scores, then Hogan gets one. The Shamrocks then storm back, W. Cummings getting the first, Foulis scoring three straight, then Granary scoring. Garneau stops the bleeding by scoring a goal from a scrum in front of the net. Granary scores another for the Shamrocks, but Blair sets up Power for the backbreaking goal.

A Montreal paper wrote: “At time they poured in shots on Quebecs goal which looked like sure games, but Moran did some wonderful stopping, and incidentally he was principally responsible for Quebecs victory”

Another Montreal paper reported: “Capt. C. Stanley was sick and could not play. W. Holliday, the cover point, intends to retire from the game for good, and Leader, the point, informed the Executive at five o'clock that he would not play. His reasons for doing so are only known to himself”

“For the visitors, the Cummings brothers on the forward line played a plucky game. While O’Brien showed up well on defence. Kenny saved often, but the majority of shots put in on him went wide”

“For Quebec Garneau played the game of his life. Jordan and Power played good hockey, but were both playing in strange positions. Bosse made his debut in senior company, and with experience will be as good as the best. Moran saved repeatedly, especially in the first half. Hogan and Blair, both new men, played an aggressive game, but lacked experience in defence work”

Final Score: 8-6 Quebec HC

Rosters
Shamrocks: Kenny in goal, O’Brien at point, J. Brennan at cover, W. Cummings, G. Cummings, Foulis, and F. Grannary at forward

Quebec: Moran in goal, Blair at point, Hogan at cover, J. Power, Jordan, Garneau, and Bosse at forward

TeamGoal ScorerAssistAssist
QuebecGarneauJ. PowerN/A
QuebecJordanN/AN/A
QuebecJ. PowerJordanN/A
QuebecJ. PowerJordanN/A
QuebecJordanN/AN/A
QuebecHoganN/AN/A
ShamrocksW. CummingsN/AN/A
ShamrocksFoulisN/AN/A
ShamrocksFoulisN/AN/A
ShamrocksFoulisN/AN/A
ShamrocksF. GrananryN/AN/A
QuebecGarneauN/AN/A
ShamrocksF. GrannaryN/AN/A
QuebecPowerBlairN/A

Game #10: Ottawa HC vs Montreal Victorias, 30 January 1904
The game was delayed considerably, and was called with 17 minutes left to go in the second half. The game was supposed to be replayed, and so, accordingly, there is not a whole bunch of detail about the play.

A Montreal paper wrote: “The Victorias were unfortunate in losing the services of Howard early in the first half. He had been playing a good, fast game, when he was laid out with a cut across the nose, necessitating eleven stitches. He was replaced by Eqing, who, instead of being a good substitute, was in the way, and spoiled many plays which might have otherwise eventuated in a score”

“Bowie and Russell kept hammering at it all night, but do what they could they were only able to once pierce the defence put up by Hutton, Pulford and Moore. Patrick was an aid to the other two men as far as carrying the puck down the ice was concerned, but when it came to shooting he was not there with the goods”

“On the defence Nichol, in goal, showed a vast improvement over his game from a week ago. Bellingham at point, although having few opportunities, was a strengthening feature of the team. Davidson at cover did good work, outside of the mistake he made in shooting instead of lifting”

Another Montreal paper reported: “His [Howard’s] absence from the team broke up the forward combination of the Victorias, and Ewing was of little use in his place”

“...although Russell Bowie and Blair Russell and Patrick made some great dashes”

An Ottawa paper wrote: “The Victorias’ defence was their strong point, Bellingham was a big support to the team, and with Davidson and Nichol, put up an excellent game. Bowie seemed a little bit off at times and Patrick needs experience”

Final Score: 4-1 Ottawa HC

Rosters
Ottawa: Hutton in goal, Pulford at point, Moore at cover, Westwick at rover, McGee at center, S. Gilmour and Smith on the wings

Victorias: Nichol in goal, Bellingham at point, Davidson at cover, Bowie at rover, Howard at center, Russell and Patrick on the wings

TeamGoal ScorerAssistAssist
OttawaMcGeeN/AN/A
VictoriasBowieN/AN/A
OttawaMcGeeN/AN/A
OttawaMcGeeN/AN/A
OttawaSmithN/AN/A

Game #11: Quebec HC vs Montreal HC, 6 February 1904
Frustratingly, not much here. This seems to be a trend this season.

A Montreal paper wrote: “In the first half, the work of the two goal tends, Waugh and Moran, was the feature. Each had a good deal of work to perform, and each did excellent service, making great stops of hair-raising shots”

Another Montreal paper reported: “but a tired out point, and a goalkeeper who tried hard, but could not [stop] Stanley and Power”

“Both stopped innumerable shots, and kept the score down considerably”

An Ottawa paper wrote: “... but the Quebec defence, especially Moran in goal, effectively squelched their aspirations”

“Coulson and Sargeant put on their best speed and Leader had the hottest time of his life, but they couldn’t hold the pace. Hooper was little use and CHurch was quite too light to stand the shock”

“The only feature of the match was the play of the Quebec forward line. Jordan, Stanley, Power and Garneau are a speedy quartet”

Final Score: 6-4 Quebec HC

Rosters
Quebec: Moran in goal, Leader at point, Hogan at cover, Jordan at rover, Stanley at center, Power and Garneau on the wings

Montreal: Waugh in goal, Meldrum at point, Horsfall at cover, Hooper (replaced by Johnson) at rover, Sergeant at center, Coulson and Church on the wings

TeamGoal ScorerAssistAssist
MontrealUNKN/AN/A
QuebecUNKN/AN/A
MontrealUNKN/AN/A
QuebecJordanN/AN/A
QuebecUNKN/AN/A
QuebecUNKN/AN/A
QuebecUNKN/AN/A
QuebecUNKN/AN/A
MontrealUNKN/AN/A
MontrealUNKN/AN/A

Game #12: Montreal Shamrocks vs Ottawa HC, 6 February 1904
McGee takes the puck off the draw, passes to Smith, who scores. McGee gets the second game off a pass from Gilmour. Kenny makes some notable saves, and then Grannery passes to W. Cummings for a goal. Grannery gets the next one as well, then makes the pass to G. Cummings for yet another Shamrock goal. McGee scores the next game to even the score. S. Gilmour scores next. Kenny makes a big save, but McGee eventually scores after a rush by Westwick. S. Gilmour scores again after a Westwick rush. Westwick scores the next one, then Smith and . Gilmour. S. Gilmour scores again, this one off a pass from Smith. Grannary scores, and then G. Cummings or Grannary gets the last of the match.

A Montreal paper wrote: “Grannery did a lot of brilliant rushing, and the Cummings brothers were always prominent. Kenny in goal also put up a splendid game. The local quartette of rushes with Hutton did the bulk of the work”

Another Montreal paper reported: “The defence was rather erratic, and Suddie Gilmour was really the only man who put up his game. He, perhaps, never played better, and was the one factor that put life into the game”

“McGee and Westwick played nicely, but only at intervals. On the Shamrock team, Kennedy was the star, and he made some splendid stops. Grannery for a time put up a star game, but played out, and the chief play was done by the Cummings brothers”

An Ottawa paper noted: “Kenny in goal did some credible work for his team, and O’Brien and Brennan were also fairly strong on defence. Granary and W. Cummings were the men on the line, especially the former, who did some great stunts at times. But all this was in the first half. Suddie Gilmour’s work on the Ottawa’s line was very clean-cut throughout”

Final Score: 10-5 Ottawa HC

Rosters
Shamrocks: Kenny in goal, O’Brien at point, Brennan at cover, Grannery at rover, G. Cummings at center, W. Cummings and Faulis on the wings

Ottawa: Hutton in goal, Moore at point, Pulford at cover, McGee at rover, Westwick at center, Smith and S. Gilmour on the wings

TeamGoal ScorerAssistAssist
OttawaSmithMcGeeN/A
OttawaMcGeeN/AN/A
ShamrocksW. CummingsGranneryN/A
ShamrocksGranneryN/AN/A
ShamrocksG. CummingsGranneryN/A
OttawaMcGeeSmithN/A
OttawaS. GilmourN/AN/A
OttawaMcGeeN/AN/A
OttawaS. GilmourN/AN/A
OttawaWestwickN/AN/A
OttawaSmithN/AN/A
OttawaS. GilmourN/AN/A
OttawaS. GilmourN/AN/A
ShamrocksG. CummingsN/AN/A
ShamrocksGrannery or G. CummingsN/AN/A

Game #13: Montreal Victorias vs Montreal Shamrocks, 13 February 1904
Nothing here.

A Montreal paper wrote: “Bowie and Russell were very effective on the forward line, but the defence was ragged. Magor did some excellent work, but crowded back on the net so that Nichol had no chance”

“Bowie and Russell were the life of the Vics”

“Patrick played his wing well, but finds the net difficult to locate”

“Kenny aroused a good deal of enthusiasm by his stopping. Of the forwards Foulis and Graannary were most useful”

Another Montreal paper reported: “It would be hard to single out any player for his good work, although Bowie is certainly a wonder, and a tower of strength to the Vics team. Russell, Howard and Davidson also played a splendid game. On the Shamrock team the forwards were stronger than usual. Pete Brennan, who is new to senior company, made good, and will rapidly become a valuable man. Cummings, Foulis and F. Grannary were also in evidence. Kenny in the nets made some hair-raising stops”

Final Score: 12-7 Victorias

Rosters
Victorias: Nichol in goal, Magor at point, Davidson at cover, Bowie, Howard, Russell, and Patrick at forward

Shamrocks: Kenny in goal, O’Brien at point, J. Brennan at cover, F. Grannary, W. Cummings, P. Brennan, and Foulis at forward

TeamGoal ScorerAssistAssist
VictoriasBowieN/AN/A
VictoriasRussellN/AN/A
VictoriasBowieN/AN/A
VictoriasW. CummingsN/AN/A
VictoriasRussellN/AN/A
VictoriasRussellN/AN/A
VictoriasBowieN/AN/A
VictoriasRusselN/AN/A
VictoriasP. BrennanN/AN/A
VictoriasBowieN/AN/A
VictoriasHowardN/AN/A
VictoriasDavidsonN/AN/A
VictoriasFoulisN/AN/A
VictoriasP. BrennanN/AN/A
VictoriasF. PatrickN/AN/A
VictoriasHowardN/AN/A
VictoriasF. GrannaryN/AN/A
VictoriasP. BrennanN/AN/A
VictoriasF. GrannaryN/AN/A

Game #14: Montreal HC v Montreal Shamrocks, 17 February 1904
I don’t have much on this one, which seems to be a disturbing trend for this year.

A Montreal paper wrote: “The two goalkeepers did their work well, and the forwards on both sides showed speed and combination till the numbers were reduced”

Final Score: 5-4 Montreal HC

Rosters
Montreal HC: Waugh in goal, Meldrum at point, Cameron at cover, Johnson at rover, Sargeant at center, Coulson and McLeod on the wings

Shamrocks: Kenny in goal, O’Brien at point, J. Brennan at cover, F. Grannery at rover, W. Cummings at center, P. Brennan and G. Cummings on the wings

Game #15: Quebec HC vs Montreal Victorias, 20 February 1904
I have lots of chatter about the Quebec team winning the Championship for the first time in club history, an interesting summary of who each of the players on the Quebec team are (age, where they worked, etc), and some quotes about who played well, but nothing about the actual game play”

A Montreal paper wrote: “Quebec won because of a superstar defence”

“The forwards fell back on their goal and had a watchful eye on their checks. This was particularly noticeable in the latter stages of the second half, even the tricky Russel Bowie in the end failed to get away from his lynx-eyed opponent”

“Leader and Hogan never got far away from goal”

“Leader and Hogan used excellent judgment in blocking lift and shots, and carefully watched every puck in the air. Moran was in good form and blocked away volleys of stiff ones that managed to elude the watchful outposts, and his really wonderful work evoked generous applause on many occasions”

Another Montreal paper reported: “Bowie set his teeth and made for the vicinity of the QUebec goals, which he hardly left except when it was absolutely necessary to go back a little on account of the hard work of the Quebec forwards, till he managed to get hold of the perper puck to score”

“Bowie is a wonderful player, he has the confidence of the Victoria crowd, and his scoring gave them a feeling of security”

“Between forwards there was little to choose on either side, Bowie, Russell and Howard played their accustomed game, and Jordan and Stanley for Quebec did some beautiful work, well supported by Power and Garneau. Leader distinguished himself, and he seemed a changed man from the Leader who played during the early part of the season”

“Between Hogan and Davidson, the choice would go to the former, and Nichol seemed a little careless”

“Bowie threw himself into the breach time and again, but with all his dare-devil work, and all his impetuous rushes in which he was to the best of their ability supported by men who showed the wear and tear of the fast pace more than he did, he could not stem the tide”

“Only two members of the team are over 21 years of age, Power being but 17, Jordan but 19, and Garneau, 20. Hogan and Leader are each 21, and Stanley and Moran both 25”

“P.J. Moran has played goal for the Quebec Lacrosse Club, the old Dominion Hockey Club, and the Crescent Hockey Club. He succeeded in stopping in the goals of the Quebec Club and is regarded as the best goal keeper of the day in Canada”

An Ottawa paper wrote: “The Quebec team’s victory is somewhat due to the fact that they had a goalkeeper that was a ‘beaut’. His stops were wonders and his work in the poles caused much comment on the part of the spectators”

“The Victoria forwards were somewhat behind in their usual form. Russell and Howard kept plugging away, but Bowie failed to give them proper support and did not play his usual game. Nichol made some grand stops”

Final Score: 9-7 Quebec HC

Rosters
Quebec: Moran in goal, Leader at point, Hogan at cover, Jordan at rover, Stanley at center, Garneau and Power on the wings

Victorias: Nichol in goal, Magor at point, Davidson at cover, Bowie at rover, Howard at center, Patrick and Russell on the wings

TeamGoal ScorerAssistAssist
VictoriasHowardN/AN/A
QuebecStanleyN/AN/A
VictoriasBowieN/AN/A
VictoriasHowardN/AN/A
QuebecJordanN/AN/A
QuebecJordanN/AN/A
VictoriasBowieN/AN/A
QuebecHoganN/AN/A
VictoriasBowieN/AN/A
QuebecPowerN/AN/A
VictoriasBowieN/AN/A
QuebecJordanN/AN/A
QuebecStanleyN/AN/A
VictoriasBowieN/AN/A
QuebecJordan or StanleyN/AN/A
QuebecStanleyN/AN/A

Game #16: Montreal HC vs Montreal Victorias, 24 February 1904
I don’t have much on this one, either, but this is at least understandable- Quebec had already locked up the league championship. The level of hockey was evidently not up to standard.

Final Score: 11-6 Victorias

Rosters
Montreal HC: Waugh in goal, Meldrum at point, Cameron at cover, Church at rover, Sargent at center, Church and Outhet on the wings

Victorias: Nichol in goal, Magor at point, Davidson at cover, Bowie at rover, Howard at center, Patrick and Russell on the wings

TeamGoal ScorerAssistAssist
VictoriasBowieN/AN/A
VictoriasHowardN/AN/A
VictoriasHowardN/AN/A
VictoriasHowardN/AN/A
VictoriasRussellN/AN/A
VictoriasHowardN/AN/A
Montreal HCSargentN/AN/A
Montreal HCCoulsonN/AN/A
Montreal HCCoulsonN/AN/A
VictoriasPatrickN/AN/A
VictoriasBowieN/AN/A
VictoriasPatrickN/AN/A
VictoriasHowardN/AN/A
VictoriasBowieN/AN/A
Montreal HCOuthetN/AN/A
Montreal HCSargentN/AN/A
Montreal HCMeldrumN/AN/A

Retro All Star Team
What a frustrating year for me- Ottawa HC takes their ball and goes home, cutting the season short, several of the good players from Montreal HC left for the FAHL, and then the newspapers didn’t seem to have as much interest in hockey this year as in years past. I think we still have enough for a retro all star team, but, still, not a satisfying year to go through.

Getting more into the all-star team, however- my decision to switch from just listing four forwards to a LW/R/C/RW format did a couple players dirty- Jordan barely misses the cut against Bowie, while Howard is narrowly beat out by McGee. For what it is worth, both Jordan and Howard had wonderful seasons, and I may have, in retrospect, ranked Jordan too low. Both point and cover were hard selections- with Young and Grant long retired (or, in Grant’s case, recently retired bu long-removed from the height of his ability) and Boon playing in the FAHL, there is suddenly a dearth of talent at what was once probably the most celebrated position in the sport. I don’t think anyone particularly distinguished himself, and so I’ll reluctantly award the spot to Davidson.

Goal: Bouse Hutton, Ottawa HC
Point: Meldrum, Montreal HC
Cover: Davidson, Montreal Victorias
Rover: Russell Bowie, Montreal Victorias
LW: J. Power, Quebec HC
Center: Frank McGee, Ottawa HC
RW: Coulson, Montreal HC
 
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1904 FAHL Season

TeamWinsLossesTiesGoals ForGoals Against
Montreal Wanderers6003818
Montreal Le National3303927
Cornwall HC2402027
Ottawa Capitals1502841

Note- A playoff was to be held between the Montreal Wanderers and Ottawa HC for the title of League Champion. The result of the game was a draw, and the teams couldn’t agree on a second game.

Skater Stats
NameTeamPositionGoalsAssistPoints
MarshallWanderersCenter10212
Dey*CapitalsRover909
SimsCapitalsCenter819
PrevostLe NationalRover808
GardnerWanderersLW538
LeahyWanderersRover707
MallenCornwall HC
Wanderers
Rover606
BlachfordWanderersRW426
DecarieLe NationalsCenter505
LavioletteLe NationalRW505
StrikeWanderersCenter404
AllanCornwall HCRW303
GoodCapitalsRW202
BellinghamWanderersCover202
PriceWanderersCenter202
W. ViauLe NationalW202
CrabtreeCapitalsRover112
S. KentLe NationalCover112
Degray**Cornwall HCLW101
EastwoodCornwall HCCenter101
LyonsCapitalsCover101
PerrierCapitalsForward101
PitreCapitalsCover101
ButterworthCapitalsPoint011
PereiraCapitalsLW011
StarrCapitalsLW011
Maybe DegrayCornwall HCLW011
Maybe DeyCapitalsRover011
Maybe MurphyCapitalsRW011
Allan or MallenCornwall HCN/A202
Allan, Mallen, or McCourtCornwall HCN/A202
Dustaler or PrevostLe NationalN/A202
Declarie or LavioletteLe NationalN/A101
Degray or MallenCornwall HCN/A101
Dey, Murphy, or SimsCapitalsN/A101
Dey or SimsCapitalsN/A101
R. Kent or LavioletteLe NationalN/A101
Leahy or MarshallWanderersN/A101
Murphy or SimsCapitalsN/A101
UNKCornwall HCN/A607
UNKCapitalsN/A303

Note- Name spellings are an issue this season. There are a handful of situations were I feel pretty confident that I’ve got the same player (Mallen/Mallin/Mallan, Dustaler/Dostaler), and others where I am less sure so I kept them separate (Perrier/Pereira). Since these guys probably are not going to be discussed in the project, I’m not going to spend the time to track down the answers today. Maybe later.

Goalie Stats
NameTeamGamesGoals AgainstGAA
NicholsonWanderers6183.00
GrenierCapitals144.00
HunterCornwall HC6274.50
MenardLe National6274.50
MoffattCapitals2126.00
CopeCapitals2157.50
HurdmanCapitals11010.00

Game #1: Cornwall HC vs Montreal Le National, 6 January 1904
Not a lot on this one. The level of play appears to be somewhat lesser than that found in the CAHL.

A Montreal paper wrote: “It was only the excellent work of the Cornwall defence, and more particularly Hunter in goal, that prevented an earlier score”

“The two goal-keepers, Menard and Hunter, did excellent work and both picked out a few hot ones during the game”

Final Score: 5-3 Le National

Rosters
Cornwall: Hunter in goal, Warwick at point, Stiles at cover, Mallan at rover, Eastwood at center, McCourt and Allen on the wings

Le National: Menard in goal, T. Viau at point, Kent at cover, Prevost at rover, Declaire at center, Laviolette and Viau on the wings

TeamGoal ScorerAssistAssist
CornwallEastwoodN/AN/A
Le NationalPrevostN/AN/A
Le NationalLavioletteN/AN/A
CornwallMallenN/AN/A
Le NationalLavioletteN/AN/A
Le NationalPrevostN/AN/A
Le NationalPrevostN/AN/A
CornwallMallenN/AN/A

Game #2: Montreal Le National vs Ottawa Capitals, 13 January 1904
Prevost or Dustaler scored the first game, then Menard was pressed into action by the Ottawa forwards. Lyons scores via a lift. The two teams exchange some rushes, Crabtree shoots and Sims scores after the puck bounces off the post. Montreal stays on the offensive, and Declaire or Laviolette score the next one. Dey scores for Ottawa. Prevost or Dustaler scores after Cope makes a run. Prevost or Dustaler scores the next game. S. Kent body checks Crabtree and puts him out of the game. S. Kent goes coast-to-coast, and then R. Kent or Laviolette scores off the rebound of his shot. Murphy makes a pass to Sims, who scores (or Murphy scores himself). Menard makes several saves in the next game, but Sims eventually scores. Dey is credited with “some spectacular dashes”, one of which leads to a goal. Sims or Dey scores the last of the match.

A Montreal paper wrote: The match was not a brilliant one by any means and the quality of hockey was not up to the standard of the other major league”

“R. Kent and S. Kent played well”

Goaltend Menard made a record by number of phenomenal stops”

“Dostaler and Prevost were the best of the forwards. Dey was the most prominent of the forwards, his shooting being of the best. Ims, also, did well. Butterworth was strong on the defence, and cope in goal, was hard to pass”

Another Montreal paper wrote: “Another fact that impressed the onlooker was, that while the Nationals, as before, lost ground every few seconds by reason of offside plays, the Capital men did not seem to know their places on the ice and the work for them practically all done by Dey, Crabtree (in the first half) and ims, but it was nearly all individual work. On the National team, time and again K. Kent broke away for a brilliant rush up the ice, but he was seldom properly supported and when he did get rid of the puck as a necessity, he did not know where to count on his men”

“It was certainly very poor hockey throughout, with practically no features to commend it to the public. For the Nationals, K. Kent, Laviolette and Declaire did a lot of fine individual work, often, however, spoiled by plays that showed lack of knowledge”

“Both goal keepers did wood work, and Lyons on the Capital’s defence was the right man on several occasions”

An Ottawa paper wrote: “In goal, Cope can stop the hottest shot and is clear grit. His only fault is that he leaves his net too often. Butterworth, at point, has a quick eye, hits well, and is not afraid to use his body. He played a strong game last night, especially in the second half when he moved up to cover-point. This assistance he rendered to the forwards by his unexpected dashes was valuable. Lyon, at cover point, skates well and body checks hard, but he is not sure in his lifting. It was his first senior game, and his playing was so good that it will not likely be his last. Dey played the best game of the night, and was the only one whose stick handling was above the average. Though a seemingly awkward skater, he eluded the Nationals with an eel-like rapidity that must have annoyed them. He was the only Capital who helped out his defence by chasing the Nationals when they were attacking, and he was the only Capital who worked faithfully from start to finish. Percy Sims was conspicuous till he tired, but when he gets into shape he will be a very strong player, as he has speed, weight, and stick-handling ability. Crabtree promises to be another of the Gilmour stamp, but was too nervous to use his head. A little more experience will qualify him for senior company. Pat Murphy, when he chose to exert himself, scintillated, but he did not exert himself overmuch and tripped opponents too often. Billy Starrs played a strong game, but did not keep his place, and his absence from his position rendered several attacks fruitless”

“Ernie Butterworth acted as captain, and will likely be appointed permanently to that position”

“Laviolette is a tricky, speedy skater and he should develop into a wonderful player”

Another Ottawa paper reported: “Of the Ottawa forwards Edgar Dey and Percy Sims were always dangerous. Pat Murphy was fast and fell back well, but his game was not as spectacular as that of the other too. Crabtree was too light and not a good skater, and while he was game he was outclassed. Billy Starrs, although not a finished stick handler, used his body with good judgment and his advent on the team had a market effect and gave the line the needed weight. Lyon on the defence was a hard man to pass. His body work was skillful and his lifting well judged. He was inclined to wander down too far at times, however, and this was partly responsible for the loss of one of the goals. Ernie Butterworth was cool and he generally took care of anything that got by Lyon. His rushes to clear at critical moments were a feature. Cope, in goal, let a couple of easy ones beat him, but these are generally the most elusive, and he saved his nets time and again when a score looked certain”

“The National defence was on the whole strong and well balanced. R. and S. Kent, at point and cover, respectively, played their positions fairly well and the work of Menard in goal won the plaudits of the crowd. He has the eye of an eagle and though he did let eight by him, it was little wonder considering the way shots rained in on his position during the second half”

“Goalkeeper Menard pronounced Sims’ shots very puzzling”

“Paddy Murphy was as tricky as ever. He helped the defence out in the latter period of play”

Final Score: 8-5 Capitals

Rosters
Le National: Menard in goal, R (or K. or D.). Kent at point, S. Kent at cover, Prevost at rover, Declaire at center, Laviolette at RW, and Dustaler at LW

Capitals: Cope in goal, Butterworth at point, Lyons at cover, Crabtree at rover, Sims at center, Murphy at RW, and Dey at LW

TeamGoal ScorerAssistAssist
Le NationalPrevost or DustalerN/AN/A
CapitalsLyonsN/AN/A
CapitalsSimsCrabtreeN/A
Le NationalDeclaire or LavioletteN/AN/A
CapitalsDeyN/AN/A
Le NationalPrevost or DustalerN/AN/A
Le NationalDustaler or PrevostN/AN/A
Le NationalR. Kent or LavioletteS. KentN/A
CapitalsMurphy or SimsMaybe MurphyN/A
CapitalsSimsN/AN/A
CapitalsSimsN/AN/A
CapitalsDeyN/AN/A
CapitalsDey or Sims or MurphyMaybe DeyN/A

Game #3: Montreal Wanderers vs Cornwall HC, 15 January 1904
Boon breaks up a rush from Allen, who, it was noted, made several rushes during the match. Marshall scores on a counter attack, then Blachford scores. The score was 2-0 at the half, Hunter having been “called upon to stop a dozen or so red hot shots”. Marshall gets another, then Gardiner extends the lead. Blachford scores. Cornwall scores the last game off a shot that went off a Wanderer’s (possibly Nicholson’s) skate.

A Montreal paper wrote: “Mallan tried numerous lone hands, which almost scored. Degray, the other junior, was noticeable for his clever work”

“The Cornwall defence was good, and Hunter in goal seemed to be a regular stone wall, but the forward line was deficient in team play”

Final Score: 5-1 Wanderers

Rosters
Wanderers: Nicholson in goal, W. Strachan at point, Boon at cover, Marshall, Gardiner, Leahy, and Blachford at forward

Cornwall: Hunter in goal, Warwick at point, Larose at cover, Eastwood, Allen, Mallan, and Degray at forward

TeamGoal ScorerAssistAssist
WanderersMarshallN/AN/A
WanderersBlachfordN/AN/A
WanderersMarshallN/AN/A
WanderersGardnerN/AN/A
WanderersBlachfordN/AN/A
CornwallUNKN/AN/A

Game #4: Ottawa Capitals vs Montreal Wanderers, 20 January 1904
The Wanderers were dominant in the first half. Blachford scored quickly off a pass from Marshall, Leahy scoring the next two despite some noted defensive work from Butterworth and Lyons. Then Marshall, then Leahy or Marshall, and then Marshall again. Nicholson has to do some work at the end of the half. The second half started with a couple goals by the Wanderers as well, Leahy and Marshall still doing the damage. Dey scores to put Ottawa on the board, then Dey or Sims scores, but then Marshall scores twice. Dey puts in two, then Good also scores twice for Ottawa.

A Montreal paper wrote: On the Capital team there was only one man who could be ranked as a senior player. That man was Dey, and he certainly put up a star game”

Another Montreal paper wrote: “Strachan, at point, with a reputation made with the Victorias, fitted in well with the former Montreal combination, and Leahy, a prolific scorer on the lacrosse field, and Blachford kept up their end”

“Nicholson in the first half practiced fancy stops and Boon did some particularly intricate jumping, and executed some ornate twists”

“In the first half it very seldom got past Boon, and when it did it was never dangerous”

“Dey, Good, Starrs, and Cope did particularly clever work”

An Ottawa paper wrote: “With the exception of Dey and perhaps Sims, the team can’t skate fast enough to play the Wanderers. Dey was especially the star and could catch a place on any senior team, but the wings were not fast enough for speeders such as Jimmir Gardner”

“Boon has a whole lot of tricks that fooled them time and again, and Gardner worked the fence to perfection”

Final Score: 10-6 Wanderers

Rosters
Capitals: Cope in goal, Butterworth at point, Lyons at cover, Dey at rover, Sims at center, Good at RW, and Stars at LW

Wanderers: Nicholson in goal, Strachan at point, Boon at cover, Leahy at rover, Marshall at center, Blachford at RW, and Gardner at LW

TeamGoal ScorerAssistAssist
WanderersBlachfordMarshallN/A
WanderersLeahyGardnerN/A
WanderersLeahyN/AN/A
WanderersMarshallBlachfordN/A
WanderersLeahy or MarshallGardnerN/A
WanderersMarshallN/AN/A
WanderersLeahyMarshallN/A
WanderersMarshallN/AN/A
CapitalsDeySimsN/A
CapitalsSims or DeyN/AN/A
WanderersMarshallN/AN/A
WanderersMarshallN/AN/A
CapitalsDeyN/AN/A
CapitalsDeyN/AN/A
CapitalsGoodN/AN/A
CapitalsGoodN/AN/A

Game #5: Cornwall HC vs Ottawa Capitals, 27 January 1904
Degray draws first blood despite a block attempt from Lyon. Dey scores after a pass from Butterworth. Allan or Mallen score for Cornwall off “a nice rush”. Dey evens the score via “a grand piece of work”. Sims scores off a pass from Starr, and then he scores the next one as well. Mallen scores off a pass from Degray (another source has Degray scoring). Allan then scores for Cornwall to tie the game. Allan or Mallen gets the match winner.

A Montreal paper wrote: “Dey, the rover of the team, time and again made brilliant rushes up the ice, but he did not seem to think there was any one else on the ice and the result was some long and at time wild shots. Sims alo did fine individual work”

“It was Hunter, however, who saved the game for Cornwall, as time and again he was viciously attacked, but was able to get in the way of the puck and avert what looked like certain defeat”

“The Capital team, so far as playing ability was concerned, consisted of Moffatt, Lyons, Dey and Sims and the wing men might as well have been off the ice”

An Ottawa paper reported: “As soon as McGuire gets into condition he will make them all travel fast to beat. Starrs is improving and is a heady and strong player, but with a tendency to leave his position and to lag behind in a rush. Dey is a speedy skater and expert stickhandler, but holds the puck a shade too long. Sims followed up well and made some spectacular rushes but was not accorded the best of support. The Caps’ defence was strong, Butterworth and Lyon putting up splendid games, Moffatt in goal let one easy one get by him, but outside of that played well”

Another Ottawa paper wrote: “There was a remarkable absence of centering by the Cornwall team. Allen or Degray came down the sides time after time when a pass to center might have resulted in a score, but it was generally a side shot, with no danger to the Capitals nets. Mallen was a hard worker for his team and scored three of the goals. On the defence Larose at cover was strong but inclined to wander from his position. Wark, the point man, was always at home and he generally had something to say when a Cap rush came along. But the man whom Cornwall can thank more than all the others for the victory was Hunter, who in goal undoubtedly saved his team from utter defeat”

“The Capital defence was also good, Lyon and Butterworth playing their positions consistently and clearing coolly. Moffat, a new man at the business, was tried out in goal and he proved to be an agreeable surprise. He showed an article of hockey worthy of a veteran and saved his nets cleverly at many critical moments. On the line Dey and Sims were the most effective, in fact Dey was without the slightest doubt the king-pin of both teams. He is as slippery as an eel when he gets off, but has one fault and that is he undertakes too much work. With the selfishness cut out Dey can travel with the best of them. Roller Starrs work right from the whistle but his skating is not up to the mark just yet and his work was therefore more ineffective than his efforts deserved. McGuire was another new man but she showed poor condition, and while his efforts were conscientious enough at first he died away toward the end”

Final Score: 5-4 Cornwall HC

Rosters
Cornwall: Hunter in goal, Wark at point, Larose at cover, Mallen at rover, Eastwood at center, Allan at RW, and Degray at LW

Capitals: Moffatt in goal, Butterworth at point, Lyons at cover, Dey at rover, Sims at center, Sarrs at RW, and McGuire at LW

TeamGoal ScorerAssistAssist
CornwallDegrayN/AN/A
CapitalsDeyButterworthN/A
CornwallAllan or MallenN/AN/A
CapitalsDeyN/AN/A
CapitalsSimsStarrN/A
CapitalsSimsN/AN/A
CornwallDegray or MallenMaybe DegrayN/A
CornwallAllanN/AN/A
CornwallAllan or MallenN/AN/A

Game #6: Montreal Le National vs Montreal Wanderers, 27 January 1904
Not much on this one.

A Montreal paper wrote: “The best work of the National defence was in the second half, and the bright particular star of this period was Menard, whose performance in front of the net was decidedly meritorious. The plump young man picked out all sorts of impossible-looking shots, and if he had not been at his best during the last thirty minutes the score might probably have mounted higher in the Wanderers’ favor”

“Marshall was the hardest worked man on the line, and played in his own inimitable way, bumping into everything, the goal net included. Gardner seemed a bit slow, that is judged by his own past performances. Blatchford and Leahy did good work”

An Ottawa paper reported: “Gardner and Leahy were the only men on the forward line and on the defence Boon was the star”

Final Score: 4-2 Montreal Wanderers

Rosters
Le National: Menard in goal, T. Viau at point, S. Kent at cover, Prevost at rover, Decarie at center, Laviolette and W. Viau on the wings

Wanderers: Nicholson in goal, W. Strachan at point, Boon at cover, Leahy at rover, Marshall at center, Gardner and Blachford on the wings

TeamGoal ScorerAssistAssist
Le NationalS. KentN/AN/A
WanderersMarshallN/AN/A
WanderersGardnerN/AN/A
Le NationalW. ViauN/AN/A
WanderersMarshallN/AN/A
WanderersLeahyN/AN/A

Game #7: Ottawa Capitals vs Cornwall HC, 3 February 1904
Not much on this game either.

Final Score: 7-3 Cornwall HC

Rosters
Capitals: Moffatt in goal, Butterworth at point, Leseur at cover, Starrs, Dey, McGuire, and Crabtree at forward

Cornwall: Hunter in goal, Degan at point, Larose at cover, McCourt, Percival, Mallen, and Allen at forward

TeamGoal ScorerAssistAssist
CornwallUNKN/AN/A
CornwallUNKN/AN/A
CornwallUNKN/AN/A
CornwallUNKN/AN/A
CapitalsUNKN/AN/A
CapitalsUNKN/AN/A
CornwallUNKN/AN/A
CapitalsUNKN/AN/A
CornwallAllan, Mallen, or McCourtN/AN/A
CornwallAllan, Mallen, or McCourtN/AN/A

Game #8: Montreal Wanderers vs Montreal Le National, 3 February 1904
Not a bunch on this one, but more than last game, at least. This was a rough match, and several players were injured.

A Montreal paper reported: “That was Strike [one of the Wanderers’ spares], and the way he made the National forwards ‘hustle’ to keep up with him and made the National defence worry to prevent his shots from going in was one of the features of the evening”

“He [Prevost] played a fast, saturday game, and somehow or another he was the man who received nearly all the blows, accidental or otherwise”

Final Score: 7-3 Wanderers

Rosters
Wanderers: Nicholson in goal, W. Strachan at point, Bellingham at cover, Marshall at center, Leahy at rover, Gardner and B. Strachan on the wings

Le National: Menard in goal, J. Viau at point, S. Kent at cover, Decaire at center, Prevost at rover, W. Viau and Laviolette on the wings

TeamGoal ScorerAssistAssist
WanderersLeahyN/AN/A
Le NationalPrevostN/AN/A
Le NationalW. ViauN/AN/A
WanderersLeahyN/AN/A
WanderersMarshallN/AN/A
WanderersStrikeN/AN/A
Le NationalLavioletteN/AN/A
WanderersGardnerN/AN/A
WanderersGardnerN/AN/A
WanderersStrikeN/AN/A

Game #9: Ottawa Capitals vs Montreal Le National, 10 February 1904
You guessed it- another game without much gameplay description.

A Montreal paper wrote: “The National team, which has shown improvement in each game, was at its best last night, in spite of the fact that two players, Stephen Kent and W. Viau, were off, being replaced by Pitre and Destoler, the former at cover point, the latter on a wing. Destoler deserves credit for his performance, as he had a six mile tramp from S. Laurent previous to the match. Pitre did excellent work. He has a great burst of speed, and gets down the ice in great style, hurdling in a way to cause astonishment to the spectators”

“They have speed and a fair measure of combination, but their work is spoiled to a large extent by the selfish work of Dey. Dey played a good game, but evidently has no regard for any of his fellows. Sims is a hard working forward, and was in the game all the time”

Another Montreal paper reported: “Indeed, Dey rather overstepped the bounds of legitimate individual effort, taking too much of the play into his own hands. It was possibly this propensity on his part to ignore his fellows that led to the great disparity in the scores”

An Ottawa paper wrote: “Dey and Sims on the forward line, and Butterworth at point were the only men who played against Nationals before. They did their work well but the team as a whole played poor hockey. Prior was good on the left but Crabtree was too light and not strong enough for a position along the fence”

“Decarie, Laviolette, Prevost, and Pitre skated much too fast for the visitors and the first two named played a great combination that scored almost half the goals. Pitre is not a cover point. He should be a rover, but he did effective work at cover though he would have done better to have kept his feet on the ice and left the jump act to trick skaters”

Final Score: 10-4 Le National

Rosters
Capitals: Hardman in goal, Butterworth at point, Leseur at cover, Sims, Dey, Perrier, and Crabtree at forward

Le National: Menard in goal, T. Viau at point, Pitre at cover, Decarie, Laviolette, Prevost, and Dostaler at forward

TeamGoal ScorerAssistAssist
CapitalsSimsN/AN/A
Le NationalDecarieN/AN/A
Le NationalPrevostN/AN/A
CapitalsDeyN/AN/A
Le NationalPitreN/AN/A
CapitalsPerrierN/AN/A
Le NationalPrevostN/AN/A
Le NationalPrevostN/AN/A
Le NationalDecarieN/AN/A
Le NationalDecarieN/AN/A
CapitalsCrabtreeN/AN/A
Le NationalDecarieN/AN/A
Le NationalLavioletteN/AN/A
Le NationalLavioletteN/AN/A

Game #10: Cornwall HC vs Montreal Wanderers, 17 February 1904
Another game that I was unable to find anything on.

A Montreal paper wrote: “... Hunter in goal staved off a few others. Nicholson at the other end of the ice did not have much to worry about”

Final Score: 8-3 Wanderers

Rosters
Cornwall: Hunter in goal, C. MacDonald at point, E. MacDonald at cover, Larose at rover, Beck at center, Mallen, and Allaire on the wings

Wanderers: Nicholson in goal, Strachan at point, Bellingham at cover, Leahy at rover, Strike at center, Blachford and Gardner on the wings

TeamGoal ScorerAssistAssist
WanderersGardnerN/AN/A
WanderersBellinghamN/AN/A
WanderersStrikeN/AN/A
WanderersStrikeN/AN/A
WanderersBellinghamN/AN/A
CornwallAllanN/AN/A
WanderersLeahyN/AN/A
WanderersBlachfordN/AN/A
CornwallMallenN/AN/A
WanderersBellinghamN/AN/A
CornwallMallenN/AN/A

Game #11: Montreal Wanderers vs Ottawa Capitals, 20 February 1904
The two teams exchange lifts at the start of the game. Mallen is stopped by Grenier. Sims is stopped, as is Pereira. Nicholson stopped a hard shot from Dey. Dey makes a rushes, passes Boon via “a clever series of dodges” and scores. Leseuer and O’Leary end some rushes, but Mallen is finally able to score. Dey scores again to give the Capitals the lead at the half. The Wanderers up their game in the second and Mallen scores relatively quickly off a pass from Gardner. Dey makes a “lightning rush” but is unable to score. Grenier stops a shot from Blachford, but Price puts in the rebound. Sims scores to tie the game, but it was short-lived; Price gets the eventual game winner.

A Montreal paper wrote: “Nicholson and Strachan, of the Wanderers defence, blocked effectively, while Mallen and Price carried off the honors on the line. Gardner and Blatchford were not as effective as usual. The new men on Capitals, Grenier and O’Leary, made good in splendid action. Lesueur and Pereira were effective”

Another Montreal paper reported: “The Capitals unearthed a good point in Dick O’Leary, who filled Butterworth’s post and filled it well”

“O’Leary on the defence and Dey and Simson on the forward line were the best men on the Capital team, while the three defence men and Mallen and Price showed up best for the Wanderers”

An Ottawa paper wrote: “For the visitors, Mallen and Price, Strachan and Boone did some pretty strenuous work”

“On the Caps, Sims, Pereira and Dey made themselves dangerous at frequent intervals”

“Starrs showed up well, giving good support and making several fine dashes. At point, ‘Dick’ O’Leary, of the Emmetts in the City League, made good all that was expected, and that was a lot. He was an effective block, using his body to the best advantage, and though not any too strong in lifting, he relieved in fine style from numerous tight corners”

Strachan and Boone, the Wanderers’ point and cover, were both good lifters and Boone broke two lamps”

Another Ottawa paper reported: “Dick O’Leary, a graduate from the Emmetts, of the City league, made his first appearance in senior company and he wasn’t out of his element a bit. O’Leary has a good body and knows how to use it, and his judgment in right corners is quite cool. With experience he will develop into a first class man. Lesueur at cover is one of the heaviest men on the team and used his weight and cleared judiciously. He went for the man with good results and played the position well. Grenier was again in goal and his work was one of the best”

“Billy Starrs was the hardest worker of the four and was on the puck more than either of the others. Pereira’s following up on lifts was fast and he gave the opposing defence little time to think before he was right in on the puck. Sims played a steady game, but Dey, especially in the second half, did not do the work he is capable of. Had he shown as brilliant work as was seen on his part against Nationals and Cornwall, Caps would without doubt have defeated Wanderers Saturday night”

“Price and Mallen played the game for the Wanderers. Gardener didn’t do enough to keep his feet warm and Blatchford was little better. Boone was not in good condition, not having had a skate on in three weeks, and after the game he had a bad spell in the dressing room. Strachan at point was another man who took things coolly- a little too much so at times for the benefit of his team. Nicholson’s work in the Wanderer nets was good”

Final Score: 4-3 Wanderers

Rosters
Wanderers: Nicholson in goal, W. Strachan at point, Boon at cover, Price (center), Mallen (rover), Gardner (LW), and Blachford (RW) at forward

Capitals: Grenier in goal, O'Leary at point, Lesueur at cover, Sims (center), Dey (rover), Pereira (LW), and Starrs (RW) at forward

TeamGoal ScorerAssistAssist
CapitalsSimsN/AN/A
WanderersMallenN/AN/A
CapitalsDeyN/AN/A
WanderersMallenGardnerN/A
WanderersPriceBlachfordN/A
CapitalsSimsPereiraN/A
WanderersPriceN/AN/A

Game #12: Montreal Le National vs Cornwall HC, 24 February 1904
Allan scores first, but then Le National goes on the offensive and Hunter is forced into action. Prevost eventually pokes the puck through. Decarie scores the match winner in the second half.

Final Score: 2-1 Le National

Rosters
Le National: Menard in goal, Viau at point, Pitre at cover, Prevost, Dostaller, Laviolette, and Decarie at forward

Cornwall: Hunter in goal, Larose at point, G. McDonald at cover, Degan, Degray, Allan, and Percival at forward

TeamGoal ScorerAssistAssist
CornwallAllanN/AN/A
Le NationalPrevostN/AN/A
Le NationalDecarieN/AN/A

Playoff Game: Ottawa HC vs Montreal Wanderers, 2 March 1904
The ice was reportedly poor and the game was rough- 36 penalties were called.

Ottawa has the initiative at the start of the game, but the Wanderer defense is strong. Hutton is then pressured, but he is up to the task. Alf. Smith is playing well at cover. Leahy scores the first of the match. Back and forth action marks the play at this point, as, of course, does the endless parade of penalties. Nicholson makes some nice saves, and his play is applauded. Westwick makes a rush and passes to McGee, who shoots. Nicholson makes the save, but W. Gilmour or S. Gilmour puts in the rebound. McGee then sets up W. Gilmour for another goal. Hutton makes some saves towards the end of the half. The ice is terrible at this point, to the extent that passing is described as being “almost out of the question”. “Frank McGee was very fast and gave Bellingham very little time for lifting”. Gardner scored after a rush by Marshall. F. McGee answers. Blachford scores on a pass from Gardner. Westwick scores, then Smith or Westwick scores. Mallen scores to pull the Wanderers within one, then Marshall evens the score. The game ends in a draw.

A Montreal paper wrote: “Of what good hockey there was, it appeared that Ottawa had a shade the better argument, and only the brilliant individual work of Mallan and Marshall aided in saving the Wanderers from what appeared to be certain defeat. Mallan played a particularly good game, and merits special attention as being the only player, apart from the goal-keepers, Hutton and Nicholson, who was not ruled off”

Another Monreal paper reported: “Garner and Blatchford, Marshall and Leahy played well, while the combination remained intact”

“The man who deserves special mention in Mallan. He jumped in the breach when Leahy was hurt, and considering that he is comparatively new he did some very fine work”

An Ottawa paper wrote: “... as [J.] McGee and Smith cannot do the same work as Pulford and Moore”

“On the Ottawa team the stars were certainly Suddie Gilmour and Frank McGee, while on the Wanderers Gardner and Blatchford put up the best argument. In goals there was nothing to choose between Hutton and Nicholson”

Another Ottawa paper reported: “Frank McGee and Westwick covered a tremendous amount of territory”

“Billy and Suddie Gilmour held down their covers on the line in great shape”

“It took pretty determined rushes to get by Smith and McGee, and several of the Wanderer goals were scored on long shots that were more like flukes than anything else. Hutton’s work was all right though, and he took care of dozens of fierce shots from the side”

“Marshall loafed offside persistently, while Blachford and Leahy were the weas [?] men of the four. Gardiner did steady, reliable work and his shooting from the side was dangerous every time he came down”

“... Bellingham and Strachan using their superior weight to great advantage at every opportunity”

“Nicholson’s work before the nets was good”

Final Score: 5-5 Tie

Rosters
Ottawa: Hutton in goal, J. McGee at point, A. Smith at cover, Westwick at rover, McGee at center, W. Gilmour at RW, and S. Gilmour at LW

Wanderers: Nicholson in goal, Strachan at point, Bellingham at cover, Leahy at rover, Marshall at center, Blachford at RW, and Gardner at LW

TeamGoal ScorerAssistAssist
WanderersLeahyN/AN/A
OttawaS. Gilmour or W. GilmourF. McGeeWestwick
OttawaW. GilmourF. McGeeN/A
WanderersGardnerN/AN/A
OttawaF. McKeeN/AN/A
WanderersBlachfordGardnerN/A
OttawaWestwickN/AN/A
OttawaSmith or WestwickN/AN/A
WanderersMallenN/AN/A
WanderersMarshallN/AN/A

Retro All Star Team
Like I wrote in the CAHL recap, this was a frustrating year due to the lack of information for several games. This season, at least, was a full one, with each team playing a complete slate of games. I do think the quality of play in this league was lower than in the CAHL though, based on what the primary sources are writing. The Wanderers were pretty clearly the class of the league, which makes sense, as they were mostly players who played for Montreal HC (or the Victorias, in Strachan’s case) the year prior.

As for the retro all-star team, there is not a lot to choose from at point and cover. Strachan was probably the best point, but a lot of that could just be on the team he was on. For cover, I think it is pretty clear that Boon was the best when healthy, but he was unhealthy rather frequently. S. Kent comes a close second. The forwards were also hard to choose, but for the opposite reason (particularly at rover and center)- there were several good options. Dey had probably the highest peak at rover, but he was apparently a rather selfish player, so I went with Prevost instead.

Goal: Nicholson, Montreal Wanderers
Point: Strachan, Montreal Wanderers
Cover: Boon, Montreal Wanderers
Rover: Prevost, Montreal Le National
LW: Gardner, Montreal Wanderers
Center: Marshall, Montreal Wanders
RW: Laviolette, Montreal Le National
 

VanIslander

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had done 10+ hours in the last month; and tonight I have spent the last five hours on this, with a smartphone, paper and pencil (and lots of eraser!).

havent had a computer for 3 years...

will take an hour or two more at least... should take 25 more hours, but got a semblance of a life!

if no big hurry, will sleep (it's 330 am sunday morning here) and continue in the morn...

but am on this... have a lot of memories of books read and bios read and drafts done and websearches, plus those i'm doing today.

80 is insane... hope there will be a great degree of flexibility in candidates once we get into examining small chunks...
 

seventieslord

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had done 10+ hours in the last month; and tonight I have spent the last five hours on this, with a smartphone, paper and pencil (and lots of eraser!).

havent had a computer for 3 years...

will take an hour or two more at least... should take 25 more hours, but got a semblance of a life!

if no big hurry, will sleep (it's 330 am sunday morning here) and continue in the morn...

but am on this... have a lot of memories of books read and bios read and drafts done and websearches, plus those i'm doing today.

80 is insane... hope there will be a great degree of flexibility in candidates once we get into examining small chunks...

The plan is to have larger groups of players to discuss each week than usual, which will allow for more movement from the round one list if opinions are changed.

had done 10+ hours in the last month; and tonight I have spent the last five hours on this, with a smartphone, paper and pencil (and lots of eraser!).

havent had a computer for 3 years...

will take an hour or two more at least... should take 25 more hours, but got a semblance of a life!

if no big hurry, will sleep (it's 330 am sunday morning here) and continue in the morn...

but am on this... have a lot of memories of books read and bios read and drafts done and websearches, plus those i'm doing today.

80 is insane... hope there will be a great degree of flexibility in candidates once we get into examining small chunks...
Don't disappear on me after you send it. I will be prepared to screen it immediately and let you know if anyone is missing or if there's anything weird about it
 

VanIslander

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Too much.
Can't handle the criticism.
I'll add historical references during the project.
Continue without me.
 

Habsfan18

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Too much.
Can't handle the criticism.
I'll add historical references during the project.
Continue without me.

It wouldn’t be criticism. Opinions, and ultimately the lists, are going to be all over the map. At least how I understand the screening is that you’d receive a nudge if you missed or simply forgot a player who everyone else had ranked in the top 30 and you didn’t have him listed at all. Or, let’s say you had a player ranked 10th overall but everyone else had him in the 50’s. That kind of thing. It’s to double check nobody was forgotten and to make sure nothing looked TOO out of the ordinary. Nobody here is perfect and you’re not going to be criticized for having an opinion that isn’t shared by everyone else.
 

seventieslord

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What criticism???

The only criticism you're going to get from me is if you hold the project up for this long and then don't participate in it...

I've seen adjusted pre 1926 VsX before but can't seem to find them now. Anyone have a link?
I think at least three of us have developed methods for this which I'm sure we will all share during the project when it's relevant to the players in discussion.
 

seventieslord

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The best you'll get is Dreakmur's consolidated scoring tables

But I wouldn't use any of these metrics for cross league comparison straight Vs1 is probably the best
I do neither. Look at both top leagues and make a judgment on who's #1 based on their dominance and your gut. That one will get a score over 100%. Next most dominant player gets 100. The top two every year don't necessarily have to be in separate leagues, they may very well be in the same league.
 

kaiser matias

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Note 1: Ottawa HC left the CAHL in February, eventually joining the FAHL and playing for the Championship there. The point of contention was due to the league attempting to force Ottawa HC to replay a game against Ottawa HC. Ottawa HC had a 4-1 lead with 17 minutes left when the game was called due to it being midnight. According to a reported agreement, the game should have been replayed. Despite the CAHL wanting this game replayed, I’m electing to include this game in this table and the stats in the following tables, as sample sizes for this time period are small enough as it is.

I believe that was Ottawa HC versus the Victorias (sorry just want to ensure it's correct for future referencing).
 
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seventieslord

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@VanIslander I've been in every one of these projects since 2008 and correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think you ever have been. So I'm wondering if perhaps you don't understand the nature of the project. The last thing these are about is analyzing and criticizing the lists of the participants in the project. The list you submit in round one is just so that we have a sense of the aggregate opinion of the participating group so that we have a roadmap for which players come up for discussion in which order. Yes lists are released at the end of the project but honestly the only people who ever truly criticize them are the people who submitted them themselves, when they realize how wrong they were about this player or that, based on new information they learned during the project. It would be foolhardy to miss out on this because you're not pleased with your list or think it's going to be criticized. That's simply not true at all.
 

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