Pepper said:
Presto indeed, I suggest you compare your version of my alleged claims to the real quotes, do it several times and you might start understanding the difference between them. You once again make empty assumtions based on your own twisted version of my posts.
Grow up.
Again, you refuse to own up to your own words. I proved that my quotes were not a twisted version of your posts, by quoting exactly what you said. You DID say those things, and if you want to continue to deny it, feel free, but its all there in black and white.
Pepper said:
Listen to yourself! In my opinion you overrate your prospects, it's only my opinion and nothing else. Calm down, are you really that insecure about your prospects that you need to attack me simply for posting an opinion which differs from yours??
You make it sound like claiming Preds fans (not all, just a couple mind you) overrate their prospects is a felony or something.
I'm not insecure about our prospect list at all. Its not a felony to claim we overrate our prospects, and I just stated so numerous times in my previous post. All that happened in this thread is - you came on the thread in your first post downing our
entire prospect base, yet you provided NOTHING and I repeat again NOTHING to back up any of your claims. When pressed throughout this thread, the only thing you have come up with in a way to back up your claims is you have watched Teemu Lassila, Oliver Setzinger, and Janne Niskala quite a bit. Big deal. You have still yet to offer up any reasons why they will fail, except that you feel Niskala's game isn't suited to the NHL. All I'm saying here is this - YOU accuse us, YOU down our prospects, and then when we come to our defense on equal occasions, YOU try to turn the table and call us homers/overreaacting. Quit accusing people for baseless reasons and none of this would have happened. It seems the one thing you fall back on in this thread, when people corner you in an argument, is calling them a homer or some other derrogartory remark about their reading comprehension. Bottomline - Your telling everyone else to grow up, but I can only see one person in this thread who needs to take that advice.
Pepper said:
1) I didn't down all your prospects, learn to count.
2) I don't need any reason to voice my opinion about the rankings
3) I offered my opinion about FEW prospects, remember that scouting reports are all opinions as well.
Selective memory. Go read your first few posts where you did just do that. You basically said all of our prospects would fail, save for Upshall who may be a good 3rd liner and Ryan Suter. Yet when pressed on why this would happen, you fell back to your "I don't need to defend my claims. Your a homer. Go learn to read" comments. Give me a break! You can voice your opinion about the rankings, I don't care. However, I can voice MY opinion about the lack of substance or reasons behind your pathetic attempt to down our whole future here at Nashville. It goes both ways.
Pepper said:
What's laughable is you going off the tanget & your hysterical hyperboles.
Yes, I have seen them all play live, numerous times. Something that you or Nashville writer hasn't done. And once again, I didn't rip your entire prospect pool.
We did get a chance to see Lassila at traing camp this year, and as for Setzinger...he came over last year before bailing when being assinged to the minors. So yes, I have seen them play. I can't see them often because they play in the SM Liga. Regardless, I still have a good feel for their abilities, as do many others here at HF our writer included.
Pepper said:
Btw, you call your 2nd best goalie prospect, your top center prospect and no.4 d-man prospect 'low-end' prospects?? And here I thought you had great depth...
The only one I'm really excited about is Lassila. I think he can be a starter in this league, and with Finely closing in on an NHL job, I believe he will be coming to Milwuakee to start here in a few years. Still, Setzinger basically abandoned this team a few years ago because he refused to play in the minors. I seriously doubt we will ever see him again in a Nashville uniform, simply because he wants to start immeadiately in the NHL. Maybe he will - Maybe he won't. As for Niskala, we just drafted him, and regardless of his placement on our team, we have a plethora of defensemen that could be just as good as him. Mukachev, Sulzer, Stehlik, Hutchinson....I'm not worried if you dismiss one of our many top defensive prospects....we still have excellent depth there.
Pepper said:
That's total BS, if you look at my original post it should be clear to anyone with basic grasp of grammar that the 2-3 missing words were intended to be there all the time, the sentence wouldn't make any sense otherwise.
:lol It made perfect sense the first time, and the only reason you went back and changed it is because it was an utterly foolish comment. If no one had called you on it, I seriously doubt you would have changed it. It was only until you were badgered about such a ridiculous claim that you relented and went back and tried to change your post. The fact of the matter is, you claimed you knew our prospect core 10X better than all of us, and when it was being pointed out how pathetic that claim was, you changed your story to the FNL only. Go get em tiger!
Pepper said:
Just as much substance as you have provided here.
I don't need substance in my posts because I haven't been talking about prospects. I have been merely pointing out how misguided your claims are. If you wanted to know my thoughts on our prospect pool, you should have provided substance of your own for which we could debate with. I invited you to do that in my first post, and you never did throughout this thread. If you want to know my opinions, I'll break a few of them down for you right now -
Shishkanov - Tremendous offensive talent, with good size to back it up. He works for the puck offensively, but has been knocked for his defensive awareness. To play under Trotz's system any time soon, he has to be defensively responsible.
Glazachev - Thought to be one of the true offensive talents the Preds had drafted at the time, this kid has all the tools to be an offensive wizard. However, he struggled last year through an injury forming questions about his ability to perform at a higher level, and has showed a reluctance to come over to NA which is worrisome for us Pred fans.
Radulov - One of the top 5 offensive talents in the draft, the Preds picked up this RWer to add even more offensive flair to their prospect base. He has a tall frame, but is extremely thin. He needs to bulk up considerably. His on the ice play, though, leaves nothing to be desired. He works hard and has a fiery competitive attitude.
Suter - Arguably the best defensive prospect, along with Dion Phaneuf of the Calgary Flames. Suter is projected to be better than Dan Hamhuis , and his offensive zone awareness is eeriely similar to Rob Blake - who can hold the puck in the offensive zone better than anyone bar none. He also needs to add a little size and continue to improve on his offensive game. Wisconsin had him focus on defense last year, but it was evident that he has a plethora of offensive skills that he can use if given the oppurtunity.
I could do more, but its really not worth my time. Suffice to say I think several of our prospects have weaknesses. I doubt we are able to attract Glazachev or Setzinger to come play here in Nashville unless the salary structure of the NHL seriously changes. I'm worried about Upshall's health problems from last year, although he has supposedly made a big commitment to bulk up/play healthy this year. Time will tell, but I think you would find, if you actually talked with some substance in your threads, that many Pred fans are down to earth about our prospects.
Pepper said:
Yes, I said those things because you were CONSTANTLY putting words to my mouth, twisting my comments & making totally baseless assumptions.
I put zero words in your mouth, and I never once twisted your comments. I just threw them back in your face, which can be extremely irritating when they are lacking in substance/reason.
so I guess it's ok to tell posters to go somewhere else if they don't like something.
Sure you can, and you have done so many times. I agree with what Smokey said, and he was right. If he was under board rules, he can do whatever he wants. The trick is, in a debate, to prove others wrong and point out when you didn't say something. I have done that with you, and he did that with you later on.
Pepper said:
This is my final post about this off-the-topic argument, no need to spam these boards with this and I apologize for my part.
Feel free to have the last word, I'll reply via PM.
Good for you. I'm surprised it took you this long to realize that its hard to back up your claims when you had no reason or substance to support them in the first place.