News Article: Hockey official worried NHL won’t play in Olympics (players reject proposal post 52)

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Agreed. In the 50's - 80's the USSR's amateur players WERE their best players. They rarely lost. Canadian and US players were mostly college kids and outcasts.
Now most of the USSr's best are pros.

I say go back to the amateur level, which it should have been always anyways.

Agreed.

But I don't really have a problem with the rest of the world bringing their non NHL pros and USA and Canada having their pick of the best CHL, NCAA, and older non NHL pros. A KHL standout like Kevin Dallman would mix in well with some college kids.

Don't think the disadvantage for Canada and US under that model would be that big.

College players were collectively a lot younger in 1980 than they are now.
 

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NHL players reject offer for Olympic participation

NHL players could still go to the 2018 Olympics, but it won’t be in exchange for extending the collective bargaining agreement through 2025.

A person with direct knowledge of the decision said the Players’ Association on Friday rejected the NHL’s offer to extend the current CBA three years in exchange for an agreement to go to Pyeongchang, South Korea, in 2018.
 

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http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/b...rticipation/XTXnaliZ2j5GlvE06vAejP/story.html

NHL players reject offer for Olympic participation

NHL players could still go to the 2018 Olympics, but it won’t be in exchange for extending the collective bargaining agreement through 2025.

A person with direct knowledge of the decision said the Players’ Association on Friday rejected the NHL’s offer to extend the current CBA three years in exchange for an agreement to go to Pyeongchang, South Korea, in 2018.
Had commented a while back on a discussion I had heard on a SN talk show recently when the deal that has now been rejected first surfaced. They had an idea for another option with a team concept should the pro concept come to an end. Given the terrific feedback on the young gun team concept at the recent Canada Cup, perhaps it's a perfect time to send an under 21 (possibly even 22 or 24) team that would surely be highly entertaining. It does also allow for a return to a more traditional olympic approach with largely all amateur players. There are also some other benefits that might likely address some concerns expressed by owners and the NHLPA with the current pro concept. I think the idea has lots of merit.
 

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ok, so instead of the best tournament by all means during the high season , we will have c-level tournament even worse than average World Championship... and then some smartass brings preseason tournament so called "World cup" with very low interest outside North America :banghead: clever:sarcasm:
 

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ok, so instead of the best tournament by all means during the high season , we will have c-level tournament even worse than average World Championship... and then some smartass brings preseason tournament so called "World cup" with very low interest outside North America :banghead: clever:sarcasm:

The current impasse with the pro concept will seemingly not result in the worlds best pro players being involved as it has for the past 5 or so Olympics. Would you rather see the next best available option or no involvement at all? I know what my preference is. The most talked about incredible hockey moment, never mind the Olympics itself, as seen by many is the miracle that was team USA in the Lake Placid Olympics. There were no pro players involved at that time. Was still off the charts entertaining and created one of the most historic moments in hockey not just in the USA but around the entire world for hockey and non-hockey audiences alike.

The inclusion of the Young Guns NA team at the recent World Cup was widely seen as an unbelievable exciting team to watch. If you have not seen the tournament games, it truly was incredibly exciting hockey to watch. Same can be said for the current annual under 20 world junior tournament which has the best available high end prospects from the top countries competing against each other. It's a take no prisoners type of atmosphere that has produced some incredibly epic games over the years. So many players over the years have gone on become proven high end talents and true super stars in the NHL and elsewhere as pros and as national team players. The WJ's is an important step for most. This concept could be another.

The concept is very similar to what has been happening in soccer in recent years in the attempt to provide the high end young players with a very high level of completion to help with player development. It's the stepping stone in the attempt to improve the most seniors squads for future major tournaments.

Still of the opinion that it is an intriguing idea with merit but remain open to hearing other views that are pro or con. Thanks for sharing yours.
 

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It's stupid for the NHL to shut down its league for a tournament that can't be shown in prime time. You risk the health of your best players for games that won't help you sell the game.

Olympics hockey is so overrated too. Can't hold a candle to the NHL playoffs.
 

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The current impasse with the pro concept will seemingly not result in the worlds best pro players being involved as it has for the past 5 or so Olympics. Would you rather see the next best available option or no involvement at all? I know what my preference is. The most talked about incredible hockey moment, never mind the Olympics itself, as seen by many is the miracle that was team USA in the Lake Placid Olympics. There were no pro players involved at that time. Was still off the charts entertaining and created one of the most historic moments in hockey not just in the USA but around the entire world for hockey and non-hockey audiences alike.

The inclusion of the Young Guns NA team at the recent World Cup was widely seen as an unbelievable exciting team to watch. If you have not seen the tournament games, it truly was incredibly exciting hockey to watch. Same can be said for the current annual under 20 world junior tournament which has the best available high end prospects from the top countries competing against each other. It's a take no prisoners type of atmosphere that has produced some incredibly epic games over the years. So many players over the years have gone on become proven high end talents and true super stars in the NHL and elsewhere as pros and as national team players. The WJ's is an important step for most. This concept could be another.

The concept is very similar to what has been happening in soccer in recent years in the attempt to provide the high end young players with a very high level of completion to help with player development. It's the stepping stone in the attempt to improve the most seniors squads for future major tournaments.

Still of the opinion that it is an intriguing idea with merit but remain open to hearing other views that are pro or con. Thanks for sharing yours.

There weren't pros in the olympics in 1980, but there were very few Europeans, and ZERO Russians playing in the NHL, so those teams could send essentially their best players. Canada and the US had to send amateurs.

The problem with your "Young Gun" idea is that NHL teams would have agree to send their best young players away for 2-3 weeks while they were still playing games that count in the standings. Lets pretend the Olympics were in 2 months, would Boston be okay sending Pastrnak and Carlo away for a couple weeks while chasing Montreal and Ottawa for a playoff spot. Two teams that, depending on the age cut-off, might not send anyone?
 

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There weren't pros in the olympics in 1980, but there were very few Europeans, and ZERO Russians playing in the NHL, so those teams could send essentially their best players. Canada and the US had to send amateurs.

The problem with your "Young Gun" idea is that NHL teams would have agree to send their best young players away for 2-3 weeks while they were still playing games that count in the standings. Lets pretend the Olympics were in 2 months, would Boston be okay sending Pastrnak and Carlo away for a couple weeks while chasing Montreal and Ottawa for a playoff spot. Two teams that, depending on the age cut-off, might not send anyone?

Good point on those european and Russians players really being pros while masquadering as amateurs. That made the miracle on ice that much more unbelievable in my mind.

The target group for participation as I understand it would not include NHL regular players like Pasta and Carlo types (I'll call him a regular at this point even though he's a rookie) which is what the owners want to move away from. The current WJH provides a few notable exceptions of NHL rookies being involved as we have seen over the years. Often seen as a better option than having a kid sit in a press box or play very limited amount of games or very few minutes of ice time if they do play.

The concept of young guns was just for comparison purposes particularly with the excitement factor. The concept would largely mirror the WJ selection process. The players who would be candidates are primarily overages in Junior ranks, college/university players, lower tier pro development leagues like the AHL as well as undrafted or unsigned players of interest who meet the age requirement. Think of players like DeBrusk, Heinen, Borke, and older drafted and undrafted players in lower tier leagues in Europe as the target group. Also important to remember that it would be an event held every 4 years and not annually like the current WJ's. Of course you could make a case for perhaps having it every two years. Perhaps that's a discussion for another day.

Recall Pasta really wowing people as a player in his WJ debut that opened a lot of eyes. Of course it moved the Bruins to include him in their immediate plans as a junior age player. That may not have happened without the WJ stage getting their attention in a best on best tournament. Creating another world stage will produce those types of stories for players who are just a little more mature and in theory have had the time to improve their overall game. Their development may show things that were not as evident or were areas of concern in draft years or shortly there after. More pleasant surprises like Pasta will emerge.

Hope the discussion on the idea will continue. Thanks for jumping in.
 

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