Hockey Canada Scandal and Rape Trial

How would it be bad PR if they never did it. Kane got accused and he came back. I'm not saying they did or didn't . I have not followed the case at all. But if someone is innocent they really should not have their life ruined.
Kane didn't go to trial because there wasn't any evidence even remotely close (or at least that's my assumption as it was never made public) to what has already been made public in this case. Lets just say there's more than enough evidence that even a not guilty verdict would not change the public opinion on these players.
 
Kane didn't go to trial because there wasn't any evidence even remotely close (or at least that's my assumption as it was never made public) to what has already been made public in this case. Lets just say there's more than enough evidence that even a not guilty verdict would not change the public opinion on these players.
I see. Guess I'll look into it a bit.
 
Into the binary thing?

Coming out hot with this one huh? Asinine comment to make.

But I look forward more towards the people who come here to bash hockey and say how it's so toxic and a problem with the sport etc. and completely ignore what goes on in other sports.

If they are found innocent they should be immediately in good graces with the league and they should take her to civil court after.

Unfortunately that isn't a guarantee, as Trevor Bauer found in baseball. Even when it was found the allegations were false, his reputation had been permanently damaged by the "believe every accusation right away" crowd.
Well it looks like you’ve already come to your conclusion
 
Can someone tell me why they focus on the 'Dark Suits' so much? I know Westend was the first to report all 5 defendents showed up to court wearing 'dark suits'. From there I've heard it reported verbatim among multiple media outlets that "the defendents showed up in dark suits." Why?
Are you referring to Rick Westhead?

But yeah, it may be done to influence the proceedings beyond the evidence that is presented:


So look to see what the accused are wearing light coloured suits by the end of the trial. Hopefully it will continue to be reported
 
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No matter what happens, hockey is the loser here. It's pretty clear it's a systemic issue in Junior Hockey with their slush fund. Probably in a lot of sports really. Kids these days man, no respect.

As a parent you worry about your kids, esepcially if you have a girl. I could only imagine the terror. But people need to do better and avoid these situations entirely for their own protection. Everyone needs to do better.

No matter what happens, these players will always be able to earn a living playing hockey, just go to Russia or wherever. Same can't be said for teachers even when found innocent. Not to mention they have probably already made more than most people make in a life time.
 
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How would it be bad PR if they never did it. Kane got accused and he came back. I'm not saying they did or didn't . I have not followed the case at all. But if someone is innocent they really should not have their life ruined.
Kane would've also lost his NHL career if he was at the level of one of these players. But because he is Patrick Kane, he didn't. Brendan Leipsic lost his NHL career for shit talking his teammates in a private group chat, because some players aren't worth the headache.
 
Are you referring to Rick Westhead?

But yeah, it may be done to influence the proceedings beyond the evidence that is presented:


So look to see what the accused are wearing light coloured suits by the end of the trial. Hopefully it will continue to be reported
 
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I believe the vast majority of rape cases end in acquittal

But that is just speculation on my part
Why even throw out misinformation like that?

Most rapes aren’t reported, and a minority of those that are reported actually end up with someone being convicted. The relevant stat here though, would be what percentage of rape cases that have progressed to the trial phase lead to a conviction.
 
Into the binary thing?

Coming out hot with this one huh? Asinine comment to make.

But I look forward more towards the people who come here to bash hockey and say how it's so toxic and a problem with the sport etc. and completely ignore what goes on in other sports.

If they are found innocent they should be immediately in good graces with the league and they should take her to civil court after.

Unfortunately that isn't a guarantee, as Trevor Bauer found in baseball. Even when it was found the allegations were false, his reputation had been permanently damaged by the "believe every accusation right away" crowd.
The case can't prove their innocence, it can only fail to prove they are guilty. A "not guilty" verdict doesn't mean the allegations were fabricated, it just means for any number of reasons the case could not prove without a reasonable doubt that they were guilty. So to countersue, they'd need to prove she fabricated everything, and if this case is being brought in criminal court, we can pretty safely assume there is enough admissible evidence that proves there is at least some truth to the accusations. It wouldn't have got this far otherwise. Whether it is enough to prove a guilty verdict remains to be seen.
 
Jury selected today, 11 women, 3 men, if you are into the binary thing

2 alternates. Whatever. 12 will decide. Trial expected to last 8 weeks

Each of the accused has a team of lawyers, each allowed to cross-examine

But no doubt she has been given five teams of lawyers, to allow for the possibility of justice

Among (many) others, Makar is a prospective witness

A historic moment



It will be good to see the losers finally get the punishment they deserve.
 
Why even throw out misinformation like that?

Most rapes aren’t reported, and a minority of those that are reported actually end up with someone being convicted. The relevant stat here though, would be what percentage of rape cases that have progressed to the trial phase lead to a conviction.
Sorry, meant to say trials, as cases is a broader term

So yeah, seems about 48% of completed trials lead to conviction

The majority, but not the vast majority, of trials result in acquittals

And it would be no surprise that trials where wealthy defendants have five teams of lawyers result in a lower conviction rate
 
3 of the 5 have played this season, so they still have a career, just not in the NHL anymore. And I can´t see any one of them ever playing in the NHL again.
Does that shock you? Convicted rapists have played in the NHL. The way teams ignore stuff like that to win is some truly disgusting shit. The NHL is absolutely no different than any other league.
 
I don't think there is anything good about this, regardless of the juries' decision

Of course, I am speculating that not only does the trial get completed, but also that there is not a hung jury
The amount of sexual assault cases coming out of hockey the last few years is quite alarming. This isn’t some one off situation. If you googled the other ones, you’d see there’s definitely a problem. Hell the NHL allowing dirtbags like Nick Cousins, Zolnierczyk, Mailloux, etc to play in the NHL shows they really don’t give a shit about violence towards women or misconduct towards them.
 
The amount of sexual assault cases coming out of hockey the last few years is quite alarming. This isn’t some one off situation. If you googled the other ones, you’d see there’s definitely a problem. Hell the NHL allowing dirtbags like Nick Cousins, Zolnierczyk, Mailloux, etc to play in the NHL shows they really don’t give a shit about violence towards women or misconduct towards them.
There is a lot of concern about hockey culture. Westhead is supposed to be putting out a book on the subject in November or whatever, sometime later this year?

To avoid the trial thread from getting constantly closed and re-opened, it might be a better idea to start a separate thread on hockey culture, unless it comes up in the trial of course

I am just speculating though

Anyway, you certainly have a point
 
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There is a lot of concern about hockey culture. Westhead is supposed to be putting out a book on the subject in November or whatever, sometime later this year?

To avoid the trial thread from getting constantly closed and re-opened, it might be a better idea to start a separate thread on hockey culture, unless it comes up in the trial of course

I am just speculating though

Anyway, you certainly have a point
I don’t see how it isn’t on topic, the culture of hockey with these recent incidents and the many times the league has turned a blind eye towards things like this is alarming and also enabling.

There’s no real consequences. It’s always more about if you can help the team, they can turn a blind eye towards it. It’s disgusting. Some shitty league will employ those that are accused and even if they are convicted, they likely will just end up in the KHL, a safe haven for trash.
 
I don’t see how it isn’t on topic, the culture of hockey with these recent incidents and the many times the league has turned a blind eye towards things like this is alarming and also enabling.

There’s no real consequences. It’s always more about if you can help the team, they can turn a blind eye towards it. It’s disgusting. Some shitty league will employ those that are accused and even if they are convicted, they likely will just end up in the KHL, a safe haven for trash.
You are absolutely correct it is on topic

But by mixing the broader topic of hockey culture with the specifics of this trial, experience has shown that postings will be made* that derail the thread and get it shut down

So I speculate that a separate thread for the specific sub-topic of hockey culture and one for this trial will ensure both the broader issue and the trial are more fully discussed

But you are free to post here as you please, I am just making the suggestion because I have some experience with previous threads on the matter

* not referring to yours, rather postings deliberately trying to derail the thread in order to stifle debate about holding hockey culture accountable
 
Regarding Jury selection.

I thought the Jury mix of 10 females and 2 men ( 5/1 ratio) was an odd take on the whole procedure.

2 Alternates being 1 female / 1 male alternate.

In regards to the alternates , I wonder if it’s predetermined who the 1 st alternate is and who the 2 nd alternate is in case only 1 juror has to be replaced.

If the first alternate is already designated / predetermined to be the female and one of the 2 male jury members have to excused. We could have a Jury of 11 women and 1 man.

Conspiracy theorist may start to state the deck is being deliberately influenced.


Was this Gender split completely by random?

Or

What could be perceived as a negative result for the defence. Actually be a preferred result having more females on the Jury for the defence.

What influence does either crown or defence have in Jury selection.
 
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