Historical Detailing of this trade. (CGY/TOR) Dion Phaneuf, Fred Sjostrom, and Kieth Aulie for Matt Stajan, Nik Hagman, Ian White, and Jamal Mayers

[Big Muddy]

Hmm .... I'm wondering if there's some motivation for this thread lingering beneath the surface?

Is there some anticipation of what might happen with a potential Nylander that might be the connection? Just a (wild) guess obviously. Going backwards in time to something like this is a tad unusual - nothing wrong with that though just to clarify.

 

[NyQuil]

As a Leaf fan, having Phaneuf as captain was pretty embarrassing. There are some players who are obviously just dumb and he's one of them.

Remember when he "turned up the music" in the locker room?

Phaneuf makes his presence felt early

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[Matty Sundin]

Calgary lost simply because they traded a star player at the time that still had value for below value and could have gotten more. I don’t think they did much with the cap space they got like Boston did with Thornton even. They signed Stajan, brought back like Jokinen and Tanguay after trading them. If they wanted Stajan so bad they probably could have just offered us a few picks and they would have gotten him.

It was a weird quality for quantity trade that you don’t see often and Suter was losing his marbles and made more questionable moves around this time frame.

 

[Bond]

As a Leaf fan, having Phaneuf as captain was pretty embarrassing. There are some players who are obviously just dumb and he's one of them.

The turned up the music meme was pretty good

 

[sansabri]

Sjostrom is a name i haven't seen a while. guy could skate

 

[rnhaas]

Remember when he "turned up the music" in the locker room?

Phaneuf makes his presence felt early

www.sportsnet.ca

Came here to say that. Burke seemed to think that was a sign of positive change and leadership.

I think, just as there are win-win trades, there are lose-lose, and this was a lose-lose.

The Leafs were a terrible offensive team that year with without their 1st round pick. So the solution to this was to trade the team's 2nd leading scorer for a defenseman? I guess they were also a terrible defensive team so there was some logic in it.

I was irrationally fond of White so, to me, at the time, it felt like the Leafs giving up too much for a guy who was a #2. But I can see the Flames side of it, as Phaneuf hadn't really been exposed as a #2 yet and I think he was like a year away from finishing 2nd in Norris voting.

I remember a bunch of Leafs fans being super excited about Aulie. Someone might have said he was the "real prize."

The trade didn't help either team, really.

 

[Magic Man]

Sjostrom is a name i haven't seen a while. guy could skate

He could move his feet, but he couldn't score to save his life. Right at the goalie every time.

 

[MS]

Came here to say that. Burke seemed to think that was a sign of positive change and leadership.

I think, just as there are win-win trades, there are lose-lose, and this was a lose-lose.

The Leafs were a terrible offensive team that year with without their 1st round pick. So the solution to this was to trade the team's 2nd leading scorer for a defenseman? I guess they were also a terrible defensive team so there was some logic in it.

I was irrationally fond of White so, to me, at the time, it felt like the Leafs giving up too much for a guy who was a #2. But I can see the Flames side of it, as Phaneuf hadn't really been exposed as a #2 yet and I think he was like a year away from finishing 2nd in Norris voting.

I remember a bunch of Leafs fans being super excited about Aulie. Someone might have said he was the "real prize."

The trade didn't help either team, really.

Yeah, was about to post much the same thing. Definition of a lose-lose trade.

Calgary got an absolutely terrible return for a 24 y/o high-minute D who was 18 months removed from a Norris finalist/1st Team AS season. Like, obviously a bit of the shine had come off but getting that collection of spare parts for a player of Phaneuf's age/profile/pedigree was shocking.

Conversely, he was the wrong player/wrong time for Toronto where he was anointed the 1D/captain and just wasn't cut out for that role at all, and basically ended up being a whipping-boy for a half-decade of mediocrity.

Phaneuf was a guy who needed to be a 2-3D on a good team - an older, worse version of him was actually pretty good for the 17-18 Senators.

 

[Nerowoy nora tolad]

As far as I can tell the trade is essentially Phaneuf for Stajan when you separate out the chaff. No notable trade returns from anyone else, and none of the rest play more than 2 full nhl seasons with the flames/leafs after the trade

The flames do just ok, but two results of this trade really hurt the leafs:

-Theyre stuck with a #2-#3 D who is far too good not to play, on really excessive money/value for the time (6M aav was comparable to Pronger, Keith, and Lidstrom money at the time). The book is out on phaneuf with NHL GMs, so he'll be hard to trade, and his actual on-ice performance as a 1D isnt great

-Making a huge splash introducs Burke to the subset of leafs nation that declares him a genius after making any big-name move. Burke gets in the mindset that he can pull off the 'day trader turning a paperclip into a jetski on ebay' routine in the NHL, and just ignore major cultural issues in the leafs org.

 

[MS]

As far as I can tell the trade is essentially Phaneuf for Stajan when you separate out the chaff. No notable trade returns from anyone else, and none of the rest play more than 2 full nhl seasons with the flames/leafs after the trade

The flames do just ok, but two results of this trade really hurt the leafs:

-Theyre stuck with a #2-#3 D who is far too good not to play, on really excessive money/value for the time (6M aav was comparable to Pronger, Keith, and Lidstrom money at the time). The book is out on phaneuf with NHL GMs, so he'll be hard to trade, and his actual on-ice performance as a 1D isnt great

-Making a huge splash introducs Burke to the subset of leafs nation that declares him a genius after making any big-name move. Burke gets in the mindset that he can pull off the 'day trader turning a paperclip into a jetski on ebay' routine in the NHL, and just ignore major cultural issues in the leafs org.

Ian White was probably the biggest part of the deal for Calgary at the time - age 25D playing top-4 minutes for Toronto - but he was in the process of drinking away his career and only lasted 43 games in Calgary.