HFVan Hockey League 2018-19

[Intoewsables]

SIGNING: The New Jersey Devils have signed F Kody Clark to a 3 year ELC worth $925K per season.

 

[JayBeagleFanAccount]

Philadelphia Flyers place Jonathan Quick on IR

 

[donut]

place Alex Edler, D on Injury Reserve and active Robby Fabbri, LW/C off of Injury Reserve

 

[Intoewsables]

Looking for an extra hand or two to help out with certain league responsibilities. Message me on discord if you have some free time to burn and don't mind chipping in. Thanks in advance.

 

[donut]

HFVHL November Power Ranking Submission (deadline: October 30 @ 11:59 pm PST)

With the end of October approaching, it's time to update our HFVHL Power Rankings! It's been a crazy 1st month for HFVHL with a number of teams moving up and down the standings daily. Our top seeded team of the off-season power ranking is currently sitting at #16, while the Stanley Cup champions just snuck into the top 10 of the regular season standings.

For the November Power Ranking, I am looking for GMs to ranking all 20 franchises from best to worst. Please keep in mind (1) the team's current spot in the standings and (2) the potential of each team, both now and in the future. Below are the rankings for both the original power ranking from the off-season and the regular season standings as of 12pm on Oct 25, 2018.

Please respond through private message either here or on Discord with your submission.
PS: You can copy and paste the table below onto an excel sheet to make your life easier; and into the text box in private messages.

Ranking​	Off-season Power Ranking​	Regular Season​	November Ranking​
1	Boston Bruins	Florida Panthers
2	Vancouver Canucks	St Louis Blues
3	St Louis Blues	Los Angeles Kings
4	Tampa Bay Lightning	Carolina Hurricanes
5	New York Islanders	Winnipeg Jets
6	Carolina Hurricanes	Arizona Coyotes
7	Arizona Coyotes	New Jersey Devils
8	Los Angeles Kinds	Philadelphia Flyers
9	Washington Capitals	Tampa Bay Lightning
10	Buffalo Sabres	Vancouver Canucks
11	Anaheim Ducks	Calgary Flames
12	Pittsburgh Penguins	New York Islanders
13	Ottawa Senators	San Jose Sharks
14	Winnipeg Jets	Ottawa Senators
15	Philadelphia Flyers	Anaheim Ducks
16	Florida Panthers	Boston Bruins
17		Edmonton Oilers
18		Pittsburgh Penguins
19		Buffalo Sabres
20		Washington Capitals
21		New York Rangers
22		Chicago Blackhawks
23		Detroit Red Wings
24		Minnesota Wild
25		Nashville Predators
26		Dallas Stars
27		Colorado Avalanche
28		Montreal Canadiens
29		Columbus Blue Jackers
30		Toronto Maple Leafs
31		Vegas Golden Knights	.

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Feel free to contact me if you have any questions or concerns. Looking forward to hearing back from most, if not all, of you!

Less than 48 hours before I want to post an updated power ranking.

Honestly, I've received an underwhelming number of responses/submissions. Unless I get a few more by the end of tomorrow, I'm not sure if I will continue on with this. The interest from people seem there but I need responses from everyone in order to keep this going.

 

[E D]

place Sven Andrighetto on IR
Avalanche's Sven Andrighetto: Suffers lower-body injury

Recall Anthony Deangelo

 

[Intoewsables]

A lot of you have messaged me over the last little while to point out your concerns with goalie scoring, and what that means for future goalie contracts. I see two possible solutions but I'm certainly open to other ideas as well.

1) We nerf goalies for next season onwards to ensure that it makes sense for goalie contracts to be in line with how they are in real life. I believe one of the main complaints from people who said no to this in the off-season was that it was too short notice. Hopefully talking about this now helps with that.

2) We leave goalie scoring as it is and allow for goalie contracts to match their contribution in the league rather than use NHL contract comparables. This would lead to goalies carrying very large cap hits because of how many points they're able to contribute in a season. If we decide to nerf goalies at a later date, these contracts would have their cap hits reduced to match this. (e.g. 20% point nerfing means 20% cheaper cap hit).

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On another note, I've received a ton of messages from GMs willing to offer their time to help out, and it's greatly appreciated. I'll try to get back to all of you soon once I've figured out the best way of handling this "shuffle". Again, thank you so much to all of you for your help as there's no way I'd be able to handle everything on my own.

 

[Scholarships]

I think Hellebuyck deserves 13M per year

 

[canucklax]

My vote would be for option 1

 

[StrictlyCommercial]

A lot of you have messaged me over the last little while to point out your concerns with goalie scoring, and what that means for future goalie contracts. I see two possible solutions but I'm certainly open to other ideas as well.

1) We nerf goalies for next season onwards to ensure that it makes sense for goalie contracts to be in line with how they are in real life. I believe one of the main complaints from people who said no to this in the off-season was that it was too short notice. Hopefully talking about this now helps with that.

2) We leave goalie scoring as it is and allow for goalie contracts to match their contribution in the league rather than use NHL contract comparables. This would lead to goalies carrying very large cap hits because of how many points they're able to contribute in a season. If we decide to nerf goalies at a later date, these contracts would have their cap hits reduced to match this. (e.g. 20% point nerfing means 20% cheaper cap hit).

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On another note, I've received a ton of messages from GMs willing to offer their time to help out, and it's greatly appreciated. I'll try to get back to all of you soon once I've figured out the best way of handling this "shuffle". Again, thank you so much to all of you for your help as there's no way I'd be able to handle everything on my own.

I still don't understand the complaints on this. The rules were spelled out from the start. If we're limiting teams to 90 or 100 goalie games or whatever, that should be enough of a nerf.

 

[FOurteenS inCisOr]

A lot of you have messaged me over the last little while to point out your concerns with goalie scoring, and what that means for future goalie contracts. I see two possible solutions but I'm certainly open to other ideas as well.

1) We nerf goalies for next season onwards to ensure that it makes sense for goalie contracts to be in line with how they are in real life. I believe one of the main complaints from people who said no to this in the off-season was that it was too short notice. Hopefully talking about this now helps with that.

2) We leave goalie scoring as it is and allow for goalie contracts to match their contribution in the league rather than use NHL contract comparables. This would lead to goalies carrying very large cap hits because of how many points they're able to contribute in a season. If we decide to nerf goalies at a later date, these contracts would have their cap hits reduced to match this. (e.g. 20% point nerfing means 20% cheaper cap hit).

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On another note, I've received a ton of messages from GMs willing to offer their time to help out, and it's greatly appreciated. I'll try to get back to all of you soon once I've figured out the best way of handling this "shuffle". Again, thank you so much to all of you for your help as there's no way I'd be able to handle everything on my own.

I think we should use the NHL comparable for contracts, with a little wiggle room based on who can built a good case for their offer.

I used my first pick on a goalie based on the scoring—I’d be pretty choked if we eliminated or drastically changed the goalie scoring.

 

[VanillaCoke]

I still don't understand the complaints on this. The rules were spelled out from the start. If we're limiting teams to 90 or 100 goalie games or whatever, that should be enough of a nerf.

I can't agree with this more.

 

[E D]

I'm not a big fan of the goalie scoring personally, I think it should be nerfed as it's too overpowered and can take an entire team out of playoffs if their #1 goes down long term.

But I knew the scoring structure when I joined so I'd be all for continuing to abide by the current scoring as well. As some have stated before, it has impacted their team structure, both from the initial draft, and through trades. So I feel it would be more unfair to these teams to change the rules than it would be unfair to other teams to keep the rules how they are.

Essentially, either route we go down I'm fine with

 

[Tryamkin]

place Urho Vaakanainen on IR (source provided earlier) and call up Jacob Larsson

 

[LaVar]

I think Hellebuyck deserves 13M per year

doesn't matter. once i win the chip this year i'm out anyway!

 

[Maticus]

calls up AJ Greer and sends down Nicolas Roy.

 

[Maticus]

I still don't understand the complaints on this. The rules were spelled out from the start. If we're limiting teams to 90 or 100 goalie games or whatever, that should be enough of a nerf.

I just find it surprising that people are okay with Hellebuyck getting 150 more points than Mcdavid, there were 8 goalies that had more points than Mcdavid. If people are fine paying 12+ million for a starting goaltender that is fine with me; I just find that the people with good young goalies are getting punished because the goalies are coming off ELCs. I understand that this was the scoring system from the start but nothing is absolute, even the NHL makes rule changes. Intoewsables proposed an 8 point per win scoring system that still has 3 goalies beating out Mcdavid in points but not by a huge margin; I've attached a PDF of the proposed scoring and the totals for 2017-18.

I've also attached the top 10 players in scoring (2017-18) for reference.

 

[canucklax]

I just find it surprising that people are okay with Hellebuyck getting 150 more points than Mcdavid, there were 8 goalies that had more points than Mcdavid. If people are fine paying 12+ million for a starting goaltender that is fine with me; I just find that the people with good young goalies are getting punished because the goalies are coming off ELCs. I understand that this was the scoring system from the start but nothing is absolute, even the NHL makes rule changes. Intoewsables proposed an 8 point per win scoring system that still has 3 goalies beating out Mcdavid in points but not by a huge margin; I've attached a PDF of the proposed scoring and the totals for 2017-18.

I've also attached the top 10 players in scoring (2017-18) for reference.

This is a really strong argument to me

 

[VanillaCoke]

As some have stated before, it has impacted their team structure, both from the initial draft, and through trades. So I feel it would be more unfair to these teams to change the rules than it would be unfair to other teams to keep the rules how they are.

This is the strongest arguement to me.

 

[FOurteenS inCisOr]

I just find it surprising that people are okay with Hellebuyck getting 150 more points than Mcdavid, there were 8 goalies that had more points than Mcdavid. If people are fine paying 12+ million for a starting goaltender that is fine with me; I just find that the people with good young goalies are getting punished because the goalies are coming off ELCs. I understand that this was the scoring system from the start but nothing is absolute, even the NHL makes rule changes. Intoewsables proposed an 8 point per win scoring system that still has 3 goalies beating out Mcdavid in points but not by a huge margin; I've attached a PDF of the proposed scoring and the totals for 2017-18.

I've also attached the top 10 players in scoring (2017-18) for reference.

But why would we have to pay $12m for goalies?

It’s not necessary to proportion expected salary based on how many more points a goalie gets in this league to a top forward.

The top goalies in the HVFHL will expect to make what the top goalies in the NHL make and the same goes for Forwards and Defense.

We don’t have to scale it up based on the scoring of this league.

 

[canucklax]

But why would we have to pay $12m for goalies?

It’s not necessary to proportion expected salary based on how many more points a goalie gets in this league to a top forward.

The top goalies in the HVFHL will expect to make what the top goalies in the NHL make and the same goes for Forwards and Defense.

We don’t have to scale it up based on the scoring of this league.

Because those goalies are so much more important to team success in this league compared to IRL

 

[donut]

But why would we have to pay $12m for goalies?

It’s not necessary to proportion expected salary based on how many more points a goalie gets in this league to a top forward.

The top goalies in the HVFHL will expect to make what the top goalies in the NHL make and the same goes for Forwards and Defense.

We don’t have to scale it up based on the scoring of this league.

I agree with this.

Because those goalies are so much more important to team success in this league compared to IRL

We are running a league based off of the NHL cap but we are inflating goalie contracts based off of our league's scoring. It's either we keep them to comparable contracts to the NHL or we nerf goalie scoring and keep them on par to player scoring.

I understand the argument that GMs were well aware of the scoring system when drafting their teams but that shouldn't stop us from making adjustments to improve the league for the long run.

 

[Maticus]

But why would we have to pay $12m for goalies?

It’s not necessary to proportion expected salary based on how many more points a goalie gets in this league to a top forward.

The top goalies in the HVFHL will expect to make what the top goalies in the NHL make and the same goes for Forwards and Defense.

We don’t have to scale it up based on the scoring of this league.

Goalies are so valuable in this league though, if you lose your goalies for extended time it's going to hurt your team in the standings. You might as well rebuild that year. Happened to SC last year.

If a starting goalie goes to free agency in HFVHL, the caphit for the goalie is going to be not even close to actual cap hit in real life.

 

[FOurteenS inCisOr]

Goalies are so valuable in this league though, if you lose your goalies for extended time it's going to hurt your team in the standings. You might as well rebuild that year. Happened to SC last year.

True.

Losing your starter is a big nail in the coffin, as it is irl.

It means guys who rely on their goalies more will be punished more by losing points if that happens—live by the goalie, die by the goalie.

I don’t think that needs to affect their salary in this league proportional to forwards and d.

We’ve already introduced a rule to try to balance things a bit more.

I wouldn’t be opposed to small adjustment in scoring,

But a drastic one punishes those who took the time to build their team based on the scoring structure (like all the GMs who were in the league from the start had the option to do), as well as guys who’ve traded valuable assets to acquire one.

Also, I do think a win should be the most valuable stat in terms of scoring, by a decent margin, because it is irl.

 

[StrictlyCommercial]

In the 2016-17 season McDavid had around 353.5 points (1st among forwards). 13 goalies had more than that, including my 1st round pick. Talbot had 497.

It's not some new surprise that goalies have better stats.

The top D that year had 314. 17 goalies had more than that.

If you change the scoring you basically undo the draft strategy of a lot of teams. Changes to scoring should have a multi-year implementation time to allow teams to adjust. I don't see a compelling reason to help teams that pooched the draft a year ago.