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HFNYR Top 6 Goalies in Rangers History Preliminary Discussion Thread

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Crease

Crease

Chief Justice of the HFNYR Court
Jul 12, 2004
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  1. Player Eligibility
    • All goalies who played at least one game for the New York Rangers
    • Players will be judged only on their accomplishments as a New York Ranger
  2. Preliminary Discussion Thread
    • Anyone may participate in this thread, even if he does not plan on taking part in the voting phase
    • Any eligible goalie may be discussed
    • Posters are encouraged to share information about goalies in this thread and to take information shared into account when constructing their own lists
    • Brief comparisons between players are permitted, but detailed cases and debates should be saved for the voting rounds
    • Please do NOT rank players outright in this thread
  3. Voting
    • Round 1
      • All participants submit a list of 9 goalies ranked in order
      • All eras MUST be considered
      • To make it easier to aggregate the submitted lists, please list players using their most commonly used name; e.g. Henrik Lundqvist, not King Henrik
      • Lists should be submitted via PM to me
      • Deadline for list submission is July 27; this thread will remain open until the deadline
      • Players will be assigned a point value on the list based on ranking
      • Players will be awarded 9 points for a 1st place vote down to 1 point for a 9th place vote
      • An aggregate list of the top 9 goalies will be compiled ranking them in order of the most total points
      • Participants MUST submit a list in Round 1 to be eligible for Round 2
    • Round 2
      • The top 6 ranked players from the aggregate list will be posted in a thread
      • Players will be listed in alphabetical order to avoid creating bias
      • Player merits and rankings will be open for discussion and debate for a period of five (5) days. Administrators may extend the discussion period if it remains active
      • Final voting will occur for two (2) days, by PM
      • Top 3 players will be added to the HFNYR Top 6 Goalies of All-Time list
      • Results will be posted and the process repeated for the next 3 places with remaining players until a list of 6 goalies is obtained
  4. Quality Assurance
    • Lists may be subject to an evaluation process
    • The submitter of a questionable list will be given an opportunity to defend or justify any selection under question or to correct errors and resubmit
  5. Participants Code of Conduct
    • Participants must recognize that this is a collaborative project and that we all share the same goals, no matter how much we disagree on individual ranking
    • Participants should treat each other with respect and must not openly question the motivations of other participants
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Franchise Wins Leaderboard

Player | Tenure | GP | W | L | T/OTL/SOL
Henrik Lundqvist | 9 | 574 | 309 | 195 | 62
Mike Richter | 14 | 666 | 301 | 258 | 73
Ed Giacomin | 11 | 538 | 266 | 172 | 89
Gump Worsley | 10 | 582 | 204 | 271 | 101
John Vanbiesbrouck | 11 | 449 | 200 | 177 | 47
Dave Kerr | 7 | 324 | 157 | 110 | 57
Chuck Rayner | 8 | 376 | 123 | 180 | 72
Gilles Villemure | 8 | 184 | 98 | 53 | 23
John Davidson | 8 | 222 | 93 | 90 | 25
John Ross Roach | 4 | 180 | 80 | 63 | 37
Glen Hanlon | 4 | 138 | 56 | 56 | 13
Andy Aitkenhead | 3 | 106 | 47 | 43 | 16
Jim Henry | 4 | 109 | 47 | 44 | 17
Steve Weeks | 4 | 94 | 42 | 33 | 14
Lorne Chabot | 2 | 80 | 41 | 25 | 14
 
Goalies that played when shot attempted were recorded:

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Goalies' cumulative goals against versus expected value from minutes in goal and league average GAA:

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Not that it really matters, but win % calculated by wins/games (including OT or SO win)

Player | Win % |
Henrik Lundqvist | 0.538 |
Mike Richter | 0.452 |
Ed Giacomin | 0.494 |
Gump Worsley | 0.350 |
John Vanbiesbrouck | 0.445 |
Dave Kerr | 0.484
Chuck Rayner | 0.327 |
Gilles Villemure | 0.532 |
John Davidson | 0.418 |
John Ross Roach | 0.444 |
Glen Hanlon | 0.405 |
Andy Aitkenhead | 0.443 |
Jim Henry | 0.431 |
Steve Weeks | 0.446 |
Lorne Chabot | 0.512 |
 
Top 10 award finishes. A reminder that between the 46-47 season and 81-82 season the Vezina was awarded to the goalie(s) with the fewest goals allowed in the reg season, not necessarily the 'best' goalie.

Player | Vezina | Hart | Calder | 1st All Star Team | 2nd All Star Team
Henrik Lundqvist | 1,2,3,3,3,4,6,6,6 | 3,9 | 4 | 1 | 1
Mike Richter | 3,5,6,7,8 | 10 | | |
Ed Giacomin | 1 | 2,7,8 | | 2 | 3
Gump Worsley | | 3 | 1 | |
John Vanbiesbrouck | 1,4,6,6,6 | 5 | | 1 |
Dave Kerr | 1 | | | 1 | 1
Chuck Rayner | | 1,4,7 | | | 3
Gilles Villemure | 1 | 10 | 3 | |
John Davidson | | | 5 | |
Glen Hanlon | 10 | | | |
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Thanks for compiling all that good stuff Mike.

What sort of metrics do folks think will be useful here? We have two weeks before your Round 1 lists are due, so plenty of time to do this properly.
 
Top four are pretty easy IMHO and I think the current net minder is already top dog. Top 9 are also fairly easy when you factor in length of time with the team.
 
31, what conclusions can we tease out from those stats?
 
haohmaru said:
Top four are pretty easy IMHO and I think the current net minder is already top dog. Top 9 are also fairly easy when you factor in length of time with the team.
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Aitkenhead and Chabot won Cups with the Rangers, but are well down the list in terms of length of tenure with the Rangers. At some point I'm going to have to sort out how important those Cups are to my overall ranking. Their individual performances in the playoffs probably matter more to me than the ring, itself. I'm going to spend some time researching that.
 
Crease said:
Aitkenhead and Chabot won Cups with the Rangers, but are well down the list in terms of length of tenure with the Rangers. At some point I'm going to have to sort out how important those Cups are to my overall ranking. Their individual performances in the playoffs probably matter more to me than the ring, itself. I'm going to spend some time researching that.
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Meh. 2 years isn't enough with a team to be a top 10, or top 6, goalie with that team. He won a Cup with the Leafs and a Vezina with the Leafs, too. (Chabot)

Aitkenhead was basically a career minor leaguer with 2 good/great years with the Rangers in the NHL.

Cups matter but 2 or 2+ year careers with the NYR and their ~90 year history don't get them in the conversation for me.
 
Greg02 said:
I think I'd be more interested in seeing this after normalizing to a number of goals per season.
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They are tied to goals per season....

Crease said:
31, what conclusions can we tease out from those stats?
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Well I'm not going to tell people what conclusions to draw. What jumped out at me is that Worsley and Davidson were consistently below league average in terms of GA.
 
I've always felt Beezer was the better goalie, but Richter was the better remembered. I'll be interested in seeing if the stats back me up.
 
Brian Boyle said:
They are tied to goals per season....


Well I'm not going to tell people what conclusions to draw. What jumped out at me is that Worsley and Davidson were consistently below league average in terms of GA.
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If the average goalie gives up 120 goals and I give up 100, that would have a value of 20, same as if the average goalie gives up 520 goals and I gave up 500, right?
 
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