GDT: HFBoards GDT | 01/27/2015

[bluefan]

It doesn't matter what player has possession of the puck, VM even posted a quote from a rulebook for you on the last page. All that matters is that neither player touches the puck and neither touches another player

Yes it does. Why do you think we regularly see guys attempt to dive into their bench when they clearly have no intention of playing the puck? Because the team has possession and there are 6 guys on the ice....

 

[DearDiary]

So again, your argument is what? That you can have 6 guys on the ice? As long as that 6th guy doesnt touch the puck, or hit anyone, this is legal?

If Despres wasn't trying to get off the ice, then your argument would hold weight. If all 6 were in the play, even if Despres and Letang never touched the puck it would be a penalty

 

[cneely]

No, I literally never said that. The premature substitution rule says:



Despres was within 5 feet of the bench when Letang got on the ice, and Letang never played the puck or played the body when Despres was on the ice. So it was completely legal.

I disagree. The picture above shows Despres about 5' away from the bench, but Letang is obviously about 10 feet away from the bench. That would suggest to me that Letang was on pretty early.

 

[penguins2946*]

Don't bother with him, he doesn't even know what charging is

What are you talking about? You're the one that doesn't know what charging is. I said charging was taking 3+ strides into a hit, which it is.

Charging shall mean the actions of a player who, as a result of
distance traveled, shall violently check an opponent in any manner. A
“charge” may be the result of a check into the boards, into the goal
frame or in open ice.

But yes, keep saying how I don't know what charging is.

I disagree. The picture above shows Despres about 5' away from the bench, but Letang is obviously about 10 feet away from the bench. That would suggest to me that Letang was on pretty early.

That's a premature substitution then, not a too many men penalty. Had the refs seen that, it should have been called, but I think that was behind the play.

 

[bluefan]

That's a premature substitution then, not a too many men penalty. Had the refs seen that, it should have been called, but I think that was behind the play.

Too Many Men on the Ice - Players may be changed at any time
during the play from the players’ bench provided that the player or
players leaving the ice shall be within five feet (5') of his players’
bench and out of the play before the change is made. Refer also to
Rule 71 – Premature Substitution. At the discretion of the on-ice
officials, should a substituting player come onto the ice before his
teammate is within the five foot (5’) limit of the players’ bench (and
therefore clearly causing his team to have too many players on the
ice), then a bench minor penalty may be assessed.

Quote the rules that actually are true. Despres 5+ feet from the bench when Letang is even farther from it....hmmmmm.

 

[cneely]

If Despres wasn't trying to get off the ice, then your argument would hold weight. If all 6 were in the play, even if Despres and Letang never touched the puck it would be a penalty

Doesn't matter if he's trying to get off the ice. He wasn't off the ice. All 6 players don't have to be involved in the play for it to be too many men.

The rule of thumb we used as refs was that if the player coming off could reach out with his stick and touch the bench, he's close enough for a sub to come on. In the picture posted above, Depres is in front of the Jets bench and doesn't even appear to be over the red line, and Letang is already moving into the play. At best it's an illegal substitution and at worst a too many men penalty.

 

[CMDEADLY]

Big goal for Craig Smith and win for the Preds, 4-3.

 

[penguins2946*]

Quote the rules that actually are true. Despres 5+ feet from the bench when Letang is even farther from it....hmmmmm.

Can you read? That literally says that is called premature substitution, which isn't a penalty.

 

[cneely]

What are you talking about? You're the one that doesn't know what charging is. I said charging was taking 3+ strides into a hit, which it is.



But yes, keep saying how I don't know what charging is.



That's a premature substitution then, not a too many men penalty. Had the refs seen that, it should have been called, but I think that was behind the play.

It's border line, but at least an illegal substitution. Looking at the picture again, Depres is not even over the red line, and in front of the Jets bench. That's a long way away, and likely enough to justify a too many men call.

 

[cneely]

Can you read? That literally says that is called premature substitution, which isn't a penalty.

Can he read? Did you read the rule he just posted?

 

[bluefan]

Can you read? That literally says that is called premature substitution, which isn't a penalty.

Do you have eyes? Pens have possession while in the offensive zone. Letang is already at the Jets blue line before Despres gets within 5 feet. How is this a hard concept to understand?

 

[Evil Little]

Can he read? Did you read the rule he just posted?

In fairness, the rule says a penalty "may be assessed" (emphasis mine).

It's just more likely provided it's not against the Penguins.

 

[bluefan]

In fairness, the rule says a penalty "may be assessed" (emphasis mine).

It's just more likely provided it's not against the Penguins.

Well, it's technically still not a premature substitution. Letang is 5+feet on the ice before Despres is 5feet within the bench. I would agree with the premature substitution if Letangs feet just touched the ice in that picture. Which the rule clearly states but Penguins fan decide to ignore.

 

[Claypool]

Letang was on way too early. Don't know how anyone can argue against that.

 

[Bps21*]

Letang was on way too early. Don't know how anyone can argue against that.

Are you using the NHL rules of the set used for Pittsburgh?

 

[canadianmagpie]

Kesler with a headshot, no call.

 

[kingsholygrail]

Feels dirty wanting the Ducks to beat up on the Canucks.

 

[dechire]

Johnny Hockey having a good night

 

[jrolley325]

The conspiracy theorists who claim the Pens get favoritism from the refs never can come up with any statistical proof..it's rather amusing and comical!

lol cuz they can't even if they wanted to. pens are ranked 18th in PPO with 149 and ranked 2nd only behind winnipeg in times shorthanded with 171.

oh wait i forgot, "timing"

 

[cneely]

lol cuz they can't even if they wanted to. pens are ranked 18th in PPO with 149 and ranked 2nd only behind winnipeg in times shorthanded with 171.

oh wait i forgot, "timing"

Not that I'm arguing, or that I believe in Penguins favor conspiracies, but the number of penalties means absolutely squat. If they took 500 penalties, but deserved 800 it's still not right. Likewise if they had 50 power plays but deserved 10 there is favoritism.

Total quantities mean nothing.

 

[bazaaa*]

It was a textbook charge. He seeked Downie out and made a bee-line for him from 3+ strides away. The call was charging, not boarding.

If this is charging, you don't understand the rules of hockey:
http://www.tsn.ca/letang-assists-on-all-five-goals-as-crosby-less-penguins-cool-off-jets-1.193361

 

[Anglesmith]

Not that I'm arguing, or that I believe in Penguins favor conspiracies, but the number of penalties means absolutely squat. If they took 500 penalties, but deserved 800 it's still not right. Likewise if they had 50 power plays but deserved 10 there is favoritism.

Total quantities mean nothing.

So true. It's amazing how many people are willing to ignore this fact in order to force a narrative.

 

[jrolley325]

Not that I'm arguing, or that I believe in Penguins favor conspiracies, but the number of penalties means absolutely squat. If they took 500 penalties, but deserved 800 it's still not right. Likewise if they had 50 power plays but deserved 10 there is favoritism.

Total quantities mean nothing.

oh i agree, but in years past, pens haters on here did use that same statistic to back up their conspiracy claim when they did lead the league in PPO or were near the top.

literally every single team in the league gets called for less than they actually commit. but people only seem to lose their minds about it on here when it involves the penguins.

 

[dechire]

Coyle's goal wow

 

[StupidityKills]

Coyle just owned Fasth. Not sure why he ended up so far from goal.