OT: HF Oilers Fantasy Baseball: Year 2

OilerPensfan97

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Registration for yahoo fantasy baseball has begun! I have 2 leagues, one head to head, and one roto, that I will be renewing. Here are the previous year manager lists for both leagues:

H2H:

Josesbattingrightnow (Me)
Belair
BiogenesisOfAmerica (J4M13M)
Cerebral
Kevotron
Lord J T Shark
Oilers4cup*
Re-Encarnacion (0ilerman)
The Head Crushers
Yeah15



Roto:

Josesbattingrightnow (Me)
J4M13M
Kevotron
Lord J T Shark
Oilers4cup*
PKSpecialist
Scott's Team (banned from HF)
The Head Crushers


Previous managers should let me know as soon as possible if they want back in so that I can renew their teams. The H2H league had 10 teams last year, but I would like for it to have around 12 teams this year, so at least 2 spots will be open to new managers. The Roto league had 8 teams last year, but I would like it to have 10-12 teams this year, so at least 2-4 spots will be open to new teams.

Scoring won't be set in stone until the league is full.

Good luck to all!

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Cerebral

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This was the league where pitchers were incredibly undervalued right? If so, I think we have to do a complete overhaul of the scoring for this season.
 

The Head Crusher

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This was the league where pitchers were incredibly undervalued right? If so, I think we have to do a complete overhaul of the scoring for this season.

I remember that being a point of contention last year, but I also remember it being the opposite the year before where pitchers were extremely over valued. There should be a happy balance in between.
 

belair

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I'm in.

But I agree, the point system needs an overhaul. Let's forget 'CYCLES' this time and call it a draw. :laugh:
 

OilerPensfan97

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Good to see more people ready! And I agree about the scoring overhaul. It was way out of wack last year! Won't be making changes yet until we have everyone, but I will make a suggestion. I suggest for the h2h league that we get rid of wins/losses altogether and switch to quality starts. It is much more reflective of the pitching performance as opposed to simply how the team did. And yeah, cycles are a complete crapshoot, and they can probably be removed.

Everyone still like the h2h points system or would you be interested in seeing a standard system?
 

Cerebral

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Good to see more people ready! And I agree about the scoring overhaul. It was way out of wack last year! Won't be making changes yet until we have everyone, but I will make a suggestion. I suggest for the h2h league that we get rid of wins/losses altogether and switch to quality starts. It is much more reflective of the pitching performance as opposed to simply how the team did. And yeah, cycles are a complete crapshoot, and they can probably be removed.

Everyone still like the h2h points system or would you be interested in seeing a standard system?
I think head to head points is fine but we just need to make it more balanced. Really, there was zero incentive to draft a starting pitcher in the last draft. I'm sure we can find some good settings online and just copy them. If not, I'm fine with going with more of a standard head to head set up.
 

belair

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Good to see more people ready! And I agree about the scoring overhaul. It was way out of wack last year! Won't be making changes yet until we have everyone, but I will make a suggestion. I suggest for the h2h league that we get rid of wins/losses altogether and switch to quality starts. It is much more reflective of the pitching performance as opposed to simply how the team did. And yeah, cycles are a complete crapshoot, and they can probably be removed.

Everyone still like the h2h points system or would you be interested in seeing a standard system?

The pitching can be really interesting if used correctly. Even the standard Yahoo! setup forces you to use quality setup guys and closers to manage your stats. It would be more interesting if that was the way it was setup than just simply focusing on the starters.
 

Cerebral

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Anything you guys like here? Obviously some of this can be altered to our liking:

https://www.reddit.com/r/fantasybas...oints/?utm_source=amp&utm_medium=comment_list
I don't love the scoring setups in that thread.

I'd just move to a categories system to be honest - do something like this and we'd probably be good to go:

R, H, HR, RBI, SB, AVG, IP, W, L, SV, K, ERA

That takes out the need to find an optimal scoring system, and it also forces GMs to draft a balanced team (which is very challenging!).

edit: We could probably find better categories too. For example, I like quality starts instead of wins for pitchers but then we'd have to take out the innings pitched. The key is to have a balance between hitting/pitching categories (5x5 or 6x6 is probably ideal) and to not have too much overlap between categories (ie. having innings pitched and quality starts would be silly).
 
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The Head Crusher

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I don't love the scoring setups in that thread.

I'd just move to a categories system to be honest - do something like this and we'd probably be good to go:

R, H, HR, RBI, SB, AVG, IP, W, L, SV, K, ERA

That takes out the need to find an optimal scoring system, and it also forces GMs to draft a balanced team (which is very challenging!).

edit: We could probably find better categories too. For example, I like quality starts instead of wins for pitchers but then we'd have to take out the innings pitched. The key is to have a balance between hitting/pitching categories (5x5 or 6x6 is probably ideal) and to not have too much overlap between categories (ie. having innings pitched and quality starts would be silly).

I agree 5x5 or 6x6 (preferable) is the way to go, especially if we are h2h. My concern with those 5 categories is that it really limits the use of relief pitchers save for saves, unless you get a player like Brad Brach or Andrew Miller who wins 10 games out of the pen.

R, H, HR, RBI, SB, AVG, BB/SO
IP, W, L, SVHD, K, ERA, WHIP

I suggest adding walks or strikeouts to the hitters 6 and Walk + Hits per Inning Pitched to the pitchers. I also suggest changing saves to Saves plus Holds.

Walks are a good way to balance your team out and Strike outs creates a balance for those Adam Dunn type players.

WHIP is a category that can be equally applied to both starters and relief pitchers but become extremely valuable if you have a pitcher who can come in pitch a full inning and allow no hits or walks. Also expanding saves to include holds now also give value to those set up guys like Addison Reed and Dellin Betances.
 

joestevens29

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I don't want in, but I have to ask. How much time does Baseball consume as opposed to Hockey and Football? I just can't imagine the work involved with starting pitchers.
 

OilerPensfan97

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I don't want in, but I have to ask. How much time does Baseball consume as opposed to Hockey and Football? I just can't imagine the work involved with starting pitchers.

Definitely more time than either hockey or football. Seeing as most teams play on most days, setting lineups are more difficult as you have to decide on a day by day basis who to start and who to bench as opposed to hockey where you sit whoever isn't playing. Pitching isn't actually too bad though, as you just sit whoever isn't starting.

when are you thinking about holding the draft
and in the rota league are the keepers and if so--how many?

Drafts will probably happen closer to when the season starts. End of march to early april.

As for the keeper league, there are no keepers. I accidentally selected to import rosters from last year. Sometime, I'll remove the keeper settings.
 

OilerPensfan97

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Errors would be good. Is everyone alright with 8 batting stats? That would be Runs, hits, RBIs, home runs, stolen bases, strikeouts, batting average, and errors.
 

J4M13M

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On the pitcher thing, I really prefer Saves+Holds as opposed to just saves. The closer position is really volatile, this year in particular.
 

OilerPensfan97

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how about on base % and not Batting average? or both

Definitely not both unless we get rid of another stat as that would bring us to 9 batting stats. I'd be for just using Base %.

On the pitcher thing, I really prefer Saves+Holds as opposed to just saves. The closer position is really volatile, this year in particular.

Agreed, I like combining them. That's what I have set ATM.
 

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