Prospect Info: HF Mock Draft 17th Overall
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From what I've read, I don't think there is any chance that he falls to where the Sens are picking.
The scuttlebutt seems to be that he's one of those prototypical risers that a certain GM in the top 10 is going to fall in love with and pick.
Vaclav Varada
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I agree with this. Not sure he'll go top 10 but i didnt think Koekkoek or Pouliot would be last year either though. Defenceman are hard to gauge sometimes. If he doesn't go top 10 i doubt he falls past 11, 12 or 13.
Soft might not be the right term. Let's just say soft without the puck. He doesn't really hit people, but he does use his frame in battles for the puck and his size and reach to fend off checkers. But similar to Colin Greening, he doesn't really hit people or use his frame as any form of intimidation. Kuba wasn't soft per se, I suppose, but same thing in terms of using his size (or not). People often see them as soft because they just aren't aggressive in any way, and that's not something you can teach.
That's the thing with this draft, after the top 8 or so it is a bit of a crap shoot and there are going to be some very surprising picks in the 9-15 range. Gauthier could go 9th, or he could 25th. There is no real way to predict. Many have Domi top 10, some don't have him top 25. Same with Gauthier, where at least half the rankings have him in the 20's or 30's.
Last year, no one figured Collberg would drop to our pick (he was ranked higher than Gauthier is now, on average), and he dropped all the way to the 2nd round.
NHL team's draft lists look so much different than any of the scouting services, that it's really hard to tell what will happen after certain tiers. Once Monohan, Lindholm and Nurse clear the board at some point in the top 10, I think there will be a bunch of surprises.
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Seruously this guy might be our steal.
I'm thinking like a Ceci, Ceci was slated as a top 10 prospect by a bunch of people but dropped to 15 which is whatever not that a far drop for him but I don't know I guess I'm getting excited by all these possibilities.
Vaclav Varada
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This is a fairly accurate discription of Gauthier in the few times I saw him. He's not Sedin soft but he doesn't go looking for contact all that often either. With Gauthier i disagree about the aggressiveness. See next point as to why.
Being that this was his rookie season in the Q, he's a really really interesting prospect. How much more room does he have to grow as a player? Most players evolve a bit after there rookie season so Gauthier very well could come back as a pretty different player next year (in a good way). He knows now what major junior has to offer and will adapt throughout the offseason. He very well could come back a more physical player after being through a full season grind. He'll know what he needs to work on and like I mentioned, most players grow after there rookie season so Gauthier may come back with more confidence to use his size better.
Vaclav Varada
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It's possible, I'll grant you that. But I'm not sure I'd want to gamble. The other side is when he hits the pro ranks and his reach and size are not as much of an advantage, and many of the players are now faster than he is, how will he handle the nastiness he is undoubtedly going to face when a Lucic gets in his face, or a Ryan White. If we thought Latendresse was soft, Gauthier is no where near as physical as Lats was at the same age (in fairness to Lats, he has fought guys like Chara when really healthy, so maybe not fair). But the main point is if he isn't willing to impose himself physically with his size and strength advantage in the Q, he realistically won't ever do it in the pros when his advantage will be much slimmer (I'd bet).
I admittedly have not seen enough of him when physically challenged to really know the answer to this, but for a big guy, it can be a real liability if you aren't willing to stand up for yourself. Guys like Ryan White will own you. Greening will at least stand up for himself at times, which at least means it isn't a liability. I don't think Gauthier has ever had a fight, so I'm just not sure. That's my main concern, and certainly those who follow him more closely might have a better idea on this.
He's been falling in rankings, not rising, and he's got many qualities of a draft faller:
- late 1994
- very much a polished player, not very raw
- questions about how high his upside is
- already physically mature
Wouldn't surprise me in the least to see him fall to our pick, even if he's a top 10 talent.
ok it looks like we have a tie between Burakovsky and Pulock at 23 votes each the way I will break this tie is the next poster who posts Burakovsky's name or Pulocks will win. however to be eligible to post you can not have voted for ethier guy, but you must have voted for someone else. and above all you must be a Senators fan and post regularly in the Sens board.
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I still wouldn't mind landing Hartman. I would love one of those really hard on the puck, physical, pesky, leadership type wingers. I know Noesen fits in there already, too, but you can never have enough of those character + skill guys. From what I've seen of Hartman he could be really amazing in the future. Not one of those high scoring superstars, but one of those guys that really helps glue a team together and takes other teams apart.
well was hoping to get this finished before I went to bed but I guess I'll come by in the morning to see who wins. still waiting on someone to post Burakovsky or Pulock
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BondraTime
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I like Hartman as well, but not at 17. I think we have enough "glue" guys already, we need a high potential forward.
ok thanks for the participation guys
with the 17th Overall Pick the Ottawa Senators select Andre Burakovsky
with the 17th Overall Pick the Ottawa Senators select Andre Burakovsky
Really depends on how you project his upside. If you think Hartman can score 25 goals and play in your top 6, you take him at 17 and never look back.
Even if a guy like Mantha is a steady 30 goal guy, if his production is even close to Hartman, the latter will be immensely more valuable.
It would be like deciding between picking Michael Ryder or Ryan Callahan. Ryder has scored 30 goals multiple times (3), but if he isn't scoring, he isn't giving you anything. He also doesn't bring that production every year. And he also HAS to play in your top 6. Callahan has never scored 30 goals, but I'd rather have him on my team any day of the week, as he close to that production level, but brings a helluva lot more. Another comparison for Hartman would be Brendan Morrow. He was a solid 20 goal guy in Dallas for the longest time and it wasn't until his 8th season that he breached 30 goals. Hartman might follow a similar path.
Hartman and Noesen are also a bit different. Hartman is a lot tougher and nastier than Noesen. Noesen is a better playmaker.
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