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And once again, Girardi played a ton ES and PK, so how did he get so much PP time?
And Torts isn't coaching the PP in Vancouver. Gulutzan is in charge of their PP. But keep talkin about something you clearly have no clue about.
Not even to mention that it really is mind blowing how much hate there still is for a former coach who was the first to help get this team to an ECF in over a decade. People tell the Torts 'apologists' to let it go / get over it... Really? Some people need to look in the mirror.
Draft Guru
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Always wanted to see McD with more PP time, but with his extensive even strength and PK minutes, I understood why Torts hardly used him. McD was always matched up against the other teams best player/s. Majority of the time those players do not kill penalties for their clubs. If McD is out for the PP then he has to sit on the bench after it expires to rest, while the other teams best player/s are now out there fully rested against our 2nd or 3rd pair.
AV doesn't seem to play the matchup game with 1 D pair like Torts did.
AV doesn't seem to play the matchup game with 1 D pair like Torts did.
smoneil
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This is premature. McD looked phenomenal tonight--it might have been the best game I've ever seen him play. That said, it was just two games ago that he looked like a disaster on the PP. Every season has its ups and downs. Hopefully, AV keeps on getting McD some time on the powerplay, and we'll have good reason for a thread like this by the end of the season.
The Rangers Duncan Keith. That guy should have won the Conn Smythe last season.
No worries about McDonagh breaking out and becoming a 40-50 point D. He is in the first year of a six year deal.
You see those passes on the PP. The cross the box pass to Stepan. McD isn't Brian Leetch but nobody is.
No worries about McDonagh breaking out and becoming a 40-50 point D. He is in the first year of a six year deal.
You see those passes on the PP. The cross the box pass to Stepan. McD isn't Brian Leetch but nobody is.
It was 22nd last year. Also, they haven't had a lot of PP opportunities yet this year aside from the Leafs game and Oilers game, and almost every game are allowing more PP's than they receive.
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Yup I was going to say this. Tortorella leaned hard on his top 4 and didn't give them enough of a breather so McDonagh playing on the power play would have probably meant like 28 minutes+ per night or something.
Doesn't totally explain why Girardi got time over McD though...
I like a lot of what Torts did but i still think he got too set in his ways of thinking with this team and that's what led to his firing. He had players with tools that he wasn't allowing them to use
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Shhhh, there's no room for this type of basic reasoning. This is a Torts hatin' thread and you'd better start hatin' Torts!
Nice try. The PP is the head coach's responsibility even if he delegates the tactical decision making to an assistant coach. Torts scares players into choking their stick (no pun intended) and playing overly defensive. It's who he has become. And it's no coincidence that our PP is flourishing with the same personnel he had at his disposal (minus Rick friggin' Nash) and theirs is 26th.
I'm sorry that you feel he was doing a good job in that last year and a half but he wasn't and it's all starting to become obvious. Zucc and CK would never have played this well under the iron first of Torts the Clown; never. And guess what, we haven't given up more than 2 goals in 9 games without employing 6 goalies.
I think one reason we don't run into a problem in this scenario is that we have a healthy Marc Staal
I think this is true with or without the 45 points. If he gets to 50, he's top 5.
Newsflash: If he gets 50 points this year and beyond he's better than Duncan Keith; who is one of the most overrated players in his own end. I fear he is the beneficiary of the same Canadian Olympian bias that makes everyone overrate Rick Nash.
Back at ya: I love McDonagh but he isn't nor will he ever be confused with Duncan Keith who was other worldly in the playoffs last year!
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This is a bad hockey team.
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Keith is also older and more experienced than mcd. I believe they have similar skillsets and it's quite possible that mcd reaches his level.
Keith is also older and more experienced than mcd. I believe they have similar skillsets and it's quite possible that mcd reaches his level.
Could Torts have used McDonagh on the power play?
Sure - but that would've meant limiting his even strength minutes and playing Stu Bickel and Steve Eminger more. The team was amongst the best in the league at even strength under Tortorella. That would've likely suffered at the expense of the PP improving a bit.
It kind of astounds me that people can watch the sport for years and not pick up on that sort of give and take.
Sure - but that would've meant limiting his even strength minutes and playing Stu Bickel and Steve Eminger more. The team was amongst the best in the league at even strength under Tortorella. That would've likely suffered at the expense of the PP improving a bit.
It kind of astounds me that people can watch the sport for years and not pick up on that sort of give and take.
Keith isn't exactly consistent in his play...he doesn't play like a Conn Smythe caliber player all the time. it's great he elevated his play in the playoffs, best time to do it, but he usually plays at a lower level than that
See, this is where reading comes into play.
He said the RANGERS Duncan Keith. McDonagh is to the Rangers what Keith is to the Blackhawks.
I'll repeat it; I love McDonagh but he will never ever come close to an elite level defender like Duncan Keith who has won a Norris trophy, 2 Stanley Cups and a Gold medal already at a young age. Believe me, this shouldn't be interpreted in any way, shape or form as a knock on McDonagh!
I know what he said but you should also read the comments made later on on the thread.
Two things:
1) McDonagh won't get to 50 points
2) In the unlikelihood that he does,
he still won't ever be classified as
a top 5 defender in the league!
