Proposal: Hertl to COL

[Hodge]

To COL:
Tomas Hertl (50% retained)

To SJS:
2023 1st round pick
Sean Behrens
2022 5th* round pick (becomes 2022 3rd if Avalanche win the Stanley Cup)

Is that fair? Sharks can take back a cap dump like Ryan Murray if needed but putting Landeskog on LTIR should open up enough space for the Avs.

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[Avsboy]

I'd do it

 

[Stewie Griffin]

Works for me

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Pretty modest, which may be realistic.

I'd be disappointed if Carolina didn't beat that, assuming he'd be willing to waive.

 

[Reggae Shark]

Woooooof........... Behrens is nice, but gawd damn.

 

[themelkman]

Terrible value, but expected given your opinions on the player.

 

[JoeSakic13]

I mean I feel like the value is fair, but I don’t want Hertl so I’d decline.

 

[Hodge]

Terrible value, but expected given your opinions on the player.

What? I think he's a top 30 center in the NHL and an excellent player. I just don't think it makes sense for the Sharks to sign him to an eight-year contract given where they are in their competitive cycle.

Also this is right in line with previous high end rental trades like Hall to Arizona, Duchene to Columbus and Stone to Vegas. If Hertl gets traded you should expect a package like this coming back to the Sharks. Rentals don't return blue chip prospects especially when they have ironclad trade protection.

 

[Kcoyote3]

To COL:
Tomas Hertl (50% retained)

To SJS:
2023 1st round pick
Sean Behrens
2022 5th* round pick (becomes 2022 3rd if Avalanche win the Stanley Cup)

Is that fair? Sharks can take back a cap dump like Ryan Murray if needed but putting Landeskog on LTIR should open up enough space for the Avs.

I think it's fine, but I'd replace the 5th/3rd with Martin Kaut

 

[TanguaySauce]

If I’m Joe, I take this and run

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

I really like Behrens, but I take this as an Avs fan. It's the season to go all in and then regret or celebrate the decisions you've made later.

 

[themelkman]

What? I think he's a top 30 center in the NHL and an excellent player. I just don't think it makes sense for the Sharks to sign him to an eight-year contract given where they are in their competitive cycle.

Also this is right in line with previous high end rental trades like Hall to Arizona, Duchene to Columbus and Stone to Vegas. If Hertl gets traded you should expect a package like this coming back to the Sharks. Rentals don't return blue chip prospects especially when they have ironclad trade protection.

Maybe they dont return Marco Rossi, but they atleast can Return a Justin Barron. This is the kind of deal id expect if Hertl used his 3 team list to force himself to Colorado. Given it seems like he wont do that, someone will make a better offer.

 

[Gatorbait19]

Would do it in a heartbeat from the Avs, which means probably a little low from our end. You can throw Kaut in on top of that and there’d still be no hesitation.

 

[Hodge]

Maybe they dont return Marco Rossi, but they atleast can Return a Justin Barron. This is the kind of deal id expect if Hertl used his 3 team list to force himself to Colorado. Given it seems like he wont do that, someone will make a better offer.

I'm far from a prospect expert but Behrens looks better than Barron to me. The difference between the two is negligible enough that it's ridiculous for you to call a package with one of them "terrible value" while the other is acceptable.

I love Hertl and want to see him win a Cup so personally I would rather trade him to the Avs for 1st+Behrens (or Barron if you think he's so much better) than a crappy team like the Rangers even if 1st+Lundkvist or whatever is a slightly better return. Which I'm not even so sure it is tbh.

 

[Islay1989]

Maybe they dont return Marco Rossi, but they atleast can Return a Justin Barron. This is the kind of deal id expect if Hertl used his 3 team list to force himself to Colorado. Given it seems like he wont do that, someone will make a better offer.

Behrens is neck and neck with Barron.

 

[themelkman]

I'm far from a prospect expert but Behrens looks better than Barron to me. The difference between the two is negligible enough that it's ridiculous for you to call a package with one of them "terrible value" while the other is acceptable.

I love Hertl and want to see him win a Cup so personally I would rather trade him to the Avs for 1st+Behrens (or Barron if you think he's so much better) than a crappy team like the Rangers even if 1st+Lundkvist or whatever is a slightly better return. Which I'm not even so sure it is tbh.

Even with Barron id expect more, and from my limited knowledge I thought Barron was far ahead of the rest of the Avs system. I would be looking for another piece such as a reclamation type young guy to go along with the deal. Terrible was the wrong phrasing, but I dont think I would be very happy with the original deal, and given that Avs fans who reject every trade that isnt a steal are saying they want it says its not enough.

I love Hertl too, but you cant make trades based on that kind of stuff unless your making an under the table deal to resign him in the summer anyways.

 

[themelkman]

Behrens is neck and neck with Barron.

I am not super up on NCAA guys, so I missed that. I always see Avs fans talking about how important Barron is, so I thought he would be significantly more valuable.

 

[Hodge]

Even with Barron id expect more, and from my limited knowledge I thought Barron was far ahead of the rest of the Avs system. I would be looking for another piece such as a reclamation type young guy to go along with the deal. Terrible was the wrong phrasing, but I dont think I would be very happy with the original deal, and given that Avs fans who reject every trade that isnt a steal are saying they want it says its not enough.

I love Hertl too, but you cant make trades based on that kind of stuff unless your making an under the table deal to resign him in the summer anyways.

Sure if they're willing to throw in Kaut I'm not gonna say no but that dude looks like a long shot to be more than a fourth liner at this point so it doesn't change the overall value of the package very much.

Barron is almost two years older and playing pro hockey so he's definitely closer to NHL ready. Behrens is less of a sure thing but seems to have more home run potential which is the kind of prospect I would want the Sharks to target in a trade like this.

 

[fasterthanlight]

Sadly, this seems fine. Bye hertl

 

[lionsDen]

I am not super up on NCAA guys, so I missed that. I always see Avs fans talking about how important Barron is, so I thought he would be significantly more valuable.

Barron is a righty which will be a need Behrens I’d a lefty that’s why avs fans value Barron as we do

 

[flyfysher]

…given that Avs fans who reject every trade that isnt a steal are saying they want it says its not enough.

The value is fair because of his NTC but yeah, I’d ask for Kaut too if I were you. And as an Avs fan, I’d do that deal too.

 

[Groo]

I'd rather get Olausson than some 1st at the end of the 23 draft
If a trade is with the Av's

 

[Richard88]

A 3 team trade list will surely limit value a little bit. If he's traded I'd guess that Colorado would be one of the top destinations given that they're a contender who need a 2C/top 6 forward going forward and have a lot of capspace this offseason to play with.

 

[Hodge]

A 3 team trade list will surely limit value a little bit. If he's traded I'd guess that Colorado would be one of the top destinations given that they're a contender who need a 2C/top 6 forward going forward and have a lot of capspace this offseason to play with.

Before the season Hertl talked about being willing to take less to play on a contender and specifically brought up Landeskog as an example. I'll bet the Avs could sign him for 7Mx8 if they wanted to.

 

[BrokenFace]

I think the condition on the extra pick should be if the Avs win the cup OR Hertl resigns with the Avs. IN which case it should be another first or a second.