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In 32 career playoff games Stalberg has a whopping 1 goal. In 38 career playoff games Bickell has 13. There is no comparision and I would pay Bickell an extra mil over Stalberg no problem.
In 32 career playoff games Stalberg has a whopping 1 goal. In 38 career playoff games Bickell has 13. There is no comparision and I would pay Bickell an extra mil over Stalberg no problem.
And that couldn't change significantly in a playoff or two? Beofr last season you thought Bickell was a playoff beast? Hardly.
You are looking at the start of Bickell's season this year and writing him off as a bad contract. Couldn't that change significantly? And you can't use Bickell's regular season history to back up your point of view, I just tried using his playoff numbers and you told me that could change significantly. You can't have it both ways, only comparing numbers when they are convenient for you then ignoring them when they are not.
I completely agree with your assessment of Bickell's game to date. I will say that in our first round exits the 2 previous seasons he had 4 goals in 11 games. Actually a higher goal scoring rate than the past years playoffs, so he has proven to be a higher playoff goal scorer before last year. You see that and think he would be a better and more consistent player, it just hasn't happened to date.
There is no way the Hawks would let him walk this past offseason after what he did and remembering what Buff did in 2010 and then he left. The Hawks obviously felt Buff leaving was a big reason they went out first round 2 straight years, and when Bickell gave them that net presence during last years playoffs they were not going to lose it again. I completely understand them signing him to this contract, as other teams would have given him that and probably more.
Is he worth that? Over an 82 game season it is likely you will find much better players on that level salary. He might only be a 14-18 goal scorer tops in a season, and that would not be what the Hawks paid for. But if he produces again in the playoffs and we win he is worth what he is getting. He probably will never have a playoffs like last year again, but if he does produce at a higher rate and we win I think the Hawks can live with it.
Sybil posts scare me.
So you are in the camp that Bickell is consistent? And yes I would take VS @3M over Bicks @4. Said it at the time.
But then, I wouldn't would be trying to pound a square VS into a round Bickell either. Wish Q could say the same.
Completely agree. Problem is, Q is not a Stalberg fan. VS seems to rub some folks (coaches) the wrong way. That said, he was productive as a Hawk.
To say his points came due to the top 4 is nonsense as he almost never played on the top lines. Not to mention Stalberg is a creator of chances. Bickell is the one who rides his linemates to scoring opportunities.
To use the playoffs to differentiate the two players shows a lack of fundamental understanding of the NHL. The playoffs are, in fact, NOT that much different than the regular season. Stalberg was never given opportunities on the top lines in the playoffs. Bickell's performance in the playoffs is due to two things. Luck and playing with guys like Toews & Kane. End of ****ing story.
Bickell's performance has a lot more to do with physical size and finishing ability than it does to do with luck. Get real.
And Stalberg is not a creator of chances. Streaking down the left wing and firing a shot 3 feet over the net is not generating a scoring opportunity.
I always liked Stalberg as a 3rd liner. Not everyone is Kane or Toews, he did well for us in his time here. He did come up small playoff time, but for where he was on this team I just don't get what people expect.
So now it isn't just Q at fault for Stalberg's poor play I see
VS defenders continue to move the goalposts
- Q's fault
- Supporting talents fault
- Systems fault
Now that he is failing in Nashville its also
- Trotz fault
- His supporting talents fault
- Systems fault
Pretty soon it will be the NHL as a whole to blame , Bettman maybe , etc , etc
So now it isn't just Q at fault for Stalberg's poor play I see
VS defenders continue to move the goalposts
- Q's fault
- Supporting talents fault
- Systems fault
Now that he is failing in Nashville its also
- Trotz fault
- His supporting talents fault
- Systems fault
Pretty soon it will be the NHL as a whole to blame , Bettman maybe , etc , etc
Stalberg was part of what made our 3rd line great last year. No doubt about it his speed and forechecking ability created that line's opportunities and he put up nearly 0.5 ppg on a 3rd line with very little PP opportunity.
The biggest difference between playoff Stalberg and playoff Bickell is ice time and linemates. Absolutely.
Also, it's still hockey. There are subtle differences between playoffs and regular season but I hate the playoffs are different argument. It's ludicrous and there is nothign to back it up.
Bickell got his body in front of the net and scored the game tying goal vs. Boston.
So now it isn't just Q at fault for Stalberg's poor play I see
VS defenders continue to move the goalposts
- Q's fault
- Supporting talents fault
- Systems fault
Now that he is failing in Nashville its also
- Trotz fault
- His supporting talents fault
- Systems fault
Pretty soon it will be the NHL as a whole to blame , Bettman maybe , etc , etc