Confirmed with Link: Hawks aquire Bowen Byram and Jordan Greenway for 4th overall, 45th overall, and Crevier

[statswatcher]

Value does change from year to year too.

well, then why did we take the detour through asking for comparisons if there are no cases to compare against this year so far and other years are incomensurable in principle?

This year, prices are higher, more major trades are being made and more teams are involved and trying to be competitive.

it's a good thing kd decided to become a buyer and get competitive through the trade market at the same time as every one else, i guess.

The value is similar, and imo, Byram is a better Dman, or at least as good as Dobson.

we disagree about the value. i am agnostic as to the player, particularly since we're still waiting for the contract.

 

[hockeydoug]

Ryan Johansen
Adam Larsson
Griffin Reinhart (oof)
Seth Jones
Sam Bennett
Mitch Marner
Jesse Puljujarvi (oof)
Cale Makar
Brady Tkachuk
Bowen Byram (GOAT)
Lucas Raymond
Luke Hughes
Shane Wright (oof)
Will Smith
Cayden Lindstrom (oof)
Caleb Desnoyers

A couple big hits in there like Makar... but overall not very exciting

Yes, complete list for cap era in the link.

It's about 70% likely to get a very good player who plays above their AAV for several years in years 4-7. 4th Overall Picks NHL Draft | StatMuse Very high probability of landing a player who is effective in a significant role but not completely safe. In the aggregate, the pick is overrated a bit in terms of talent, but the roster value for a player in a significant role at a low AAV for several years is generally not accounted for either in discussions.

Byram is going to be hard pressed to play to his UFA contract next season by comparison.

 

[AmericanDream]

I'm worried they're just slowing down figuring out what Lev or Rinzel will be whether they're right or wrong about bb. Part of the cost of that acquisition.

Yeah well you really dont lose your GM job if a couple of picks dont live up to expectations, that happens to all teams and GMs. You do however lose that job by either not making trades that were needed or poor trades/bad asset management...Byram trade will be a key defining moment for KD and his future might weigh heavily on it which is why its wise for him to double down and get another talent in here to better the odds.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

From the media guys scared to death of losing access, absolutely they shouldn't be trusted for accuracy about trade and contract rumors. The agents and front offices feed them info to put out, there aren't alot of legitimate leaks since that's a career killer for staff. This isn't new, most sports franchises have been fairly media savvy since ESPN put on the Ocho.

If it's from the gm's mouth or an official mouthpiece for an org, I think it's fair to say it's accurate. If it's something about a "maybe" trade or anything that could pump the market value on a player, hell no.

Ya, Friedman is scared of losing access so he just carried water for Bowen f***ing Byram’s agent. Sure.

This distrust of media is pretty insane.

The bias is at the story selection/management level of news organizations who only worry about clicks and eyeballs. All of you fake news crybabies want to just blame the journalists who are actually working hard and upholding ethics and standards.

 

[Hawkaholic]

well, then why did we take the detour through asking for comparisons if there are no cases to compare against this year so far and other years are incomensurable in principle?

it's a good thing kd decided to become a buyer and get competitive through the trade market at the same time as every one else, i guess.

I gave one, after my initial post.

And KD cant control what the league is doing. It still wasn't the right time, I'll agree with you there, but I'm simply defending the player.

 

[statswatcher]

gave one, after my initial post.

do you mean hughes? say what you mean.

And KD cant control what the league is doing.

he can control whether he gets into bidding wars in a seller's market.

It still wasn't the right time, I'll agree with you there, but I'm simply defending the player.

i don't think i've attacked the player, so i don't know why you feel the need to defend him. i question whether he will play better after moving to a worse team. that especially doesn't inspire confidence in me, because i suspect he will demand a contract which would pay him to play better than he ever has. repeating myself, that all remains to be seen.

 

[hockeydoug]

Ya, Friedman is scared of losing access so he just carried water for Bowen f***ing Byram’s agent. Sure.

This distrust of media is pretty insane.

The bias is at the story selection/management level of news organizations who only worry about clicks and eyeballs. All of you fake news crybabies want to just blame the journalists who are actually working hard and upholding ethics and standards.

Dude, what source anywhere discloses conflicts of interest?
Journalists don't throw their lunch buddies under the bus, so they sacrifice accurate context and complete set of facts for technical accuracy. ie they put out what their fed within reason. Has nothing to do with fake or true, it's an entertainment product.

 

[hockeydoug]

Yeah well you really dont lose your GM job if a couple of picks dont live up to expectations, that happens to all teams and GMs. You do however lose that job by either not making trades that were needed or poor trades/bad asset management...Byram trade will be a key defining moment for KD and his future might weigh heavily on it which is why its wise for him to double down and get another talent in here to better the odds.

I agree with you about doubling down. He's going to have to make another one next year to progress, the band aid has been ripped off already.

 

[Hawkaholic]

do you mean hughes? say what you mean.

he can control whether he gets into bidding wars in a seller's market.

i don't think i've attacked the player, so i don't know why you feel the need to defend him. i question whether he will play better after moving to a worse team. that especially doesn't inspire confidence in me, because i suspect he will demand a contract which would pay him to play better than he ever has. repeating myself, that all remains to be seen.

No, Nemec, if you re read that initial post, it's there.

Yes, he could, but players like him aren't available often.

I didn't say I was defending him against you.

 

[statswatcher]

No, Nemec, if you re read that initial post, it's there.

nemec isn't currently negotiating a contract extension while walking to ufa. the value paid for him was more in line with the dobson deal in the better case for new jersey pick selection wise, and we already know that we disagree about whether or not the value there balances out against 4th overall.

Yes, he could, but players like him aren't available often.

evidently they are or will be, given you just told me about how more big trades are happening now than previously, and how dobson was available just last year and you think he is at least arguably similar to byram, and how hughes was also traded within the last year and he is better than any of the other names involved.

I didn't say I was defending him against you.

then why do you keep arguing with me about the value of the player when ostensibly you're only interested in the individual quality of the player? it's probably because the two are somehow related. i don't know.

 

[Pez68]

You two should get married.