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Have JJ and Bowman had the worst 9 months in Oilers history?

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VeteranPresence

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Simple title. In the past nine months, Jeff Jackson and Stan Bowman:

-Lost Holloway and Broberg to offer sheets
-Traded McLeod (45 point pace) for Savoie
-Signed Jeff Skinner to a highly inflated contract that included an NMC after a buyout
-Signed Henrique and Arvidsson to deals they are also underperforming which also included NMCs
-Signed John Klingberg to a questionable deal coming off a major surgery, eating up all our cap space for accrual
-Are now locked in a public disagreement with Evander Kane about LTIR when other teams are able to navigate it seamlessly every year
-Have refused to upgrade in net with predictable results

The result is a team on the downslide as they have played more playoff teams with no relief in sight and few options to fix it. I can’t think of a “better” set of moves if you were intentionally trying to sewer the team, never mind attempting to improve it. Thoughts?
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I don’t know why everyone includes Bowman. Pretty much all Jackson or Holland decisions. Roster was pretty much set before he got here.

But yeah pretty much everything Jackson has touched has turned out bad so far this year.

It’s not the worst in history though lol
 
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Some pretty insane revisionist history going on today

Most of these moves were spoken very highly of, the fact that they didnt turn out as ideally as they hoped hardly makes this a "disaster"
 
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The infamous Chiarelli offseason of 2017 is still probably the worst but we'll have to wait and see how this season ends before we pass judgment.

But it's still less than ideal to put it lightly.
 
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Fortunately there isn't a lot of term left in these deals and the guys they belong to aren't entirely write-offs, but it's pretty bad if you're stuck with a capped roster that has its hands tied by an enigmatic power forward that is at odds with the organization.

Not my favorite timeline coming off of a summer that saw us lose a ton of size, speed and youth.
 
I always find it difficult to blame solely management when it comes to offer sheets. By the sounds of things, the Oilers were blindsided by both. If the players wanted to be Oilers, their agent should have told management they have an offer sheet presented, what are you countering with? Instead both players just signed them knowing what the repercussions would be and put the Oilers on notice.

It’s no different than the real job world. If someone is happy where they are, they aren’t generally looking around. If another company tries to poach them through a job offer, you’d think they’d have the common courtesy to tell their boss they’re being offered this or that and give an opportunity to counter, not just agree in terms first then go tell your boss the company has seven days to match or they’re gone.
 
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nerevarine said:
Some pretty insane revisionist history going on today

Most of these moves were spoken very highly of, the fact that they didnt turn out as ideally as they hoped hardly makes this a "disaster"
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They were talked highly about because it was before shit hit the fan and people thought there was some sort of plan in the works. It was also talked highly about because the guy held back details of the deals like giving NMC’s out like candy…
 
FlameChampion said:
I don’t know why everyone includes Bowman. Pretty much all Jackson or Holland decisions. Roster was pretty much set before he got here.

But yeah pretty much everything Jackson has touched has turned out bad so far this year.

It’s not the worst in history though lol
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This poster has a personal vendetta against Bowman. he's been on him for months claiming he cost us the cup already
 
Dirk Dangler said:
They were talked highly about because it was before shit hit the fan and people thought there was some sort of plan in the works. It was also talked highly about because the guy held back details of the deals like giving NMC’s out like candy…
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While I agree that things have not turned out anywhere near what we wanted. IF I bumped the threads from between say July 1st and July 8th. A lot of people were happy. I am not happy with how things have turned out. Like many, on about July 9th when we looked at out cap situation, we asked where are we getting the money for Broberg and Halloway,

but I do have one observation for how this board is feeling right now. Oilers are 35-21-4 with 74 pts. 2nd in the division and 8th overall in the league.

There is one problem with people crying over the news of more NMC, what teams were willing to trade for those struggling players? Give something we need? and not make us take on a bad contract?
 
No, we've been through a lot worse, like the Dynasty sell off that produced 1 good player, Doug Weight. Decade of darkness, the trade is one to one, need I say more, lol.

But this is pretty damn horrible. No wonder he got such cheap signings done. Jeff Jackson was an agent, he knows how NMCs hamstring an organization, no excuses.

Wanna rip on Bowman, fine but he wasn't here yet, it's all on Jackson.
 
June 2017 - his firing from Peter Chiarelli beats this and it isn't close.
 
VeteranPresence said:
Simple title. In the past nine months, Jeff Jackson and Stan Bowman:

-Lost Holloway and Broberg to offer sheets
-Traded McLeod (45 point pace) for Savoie
-Signed Jeff Skinner to a highly inflated contract that included an NMC after a buyout
-Signed Henrique and Arvidsson to deals they are also underperforming which also included NMCs
-Signed John Klingberg to a questionable deal coming off a major surgery, eating up all our cap space for accrual
-Are now locked in a public disagreement with Evander Kane about LTIR when other teams are able to navigate it seamlessly every year
-Have refused to upgrade in net with predictable results

The result is a team on the downslide as they have played more playoff teams with no relief in sight and few options to fix it. I can’t think of a “better” set of moves if you were intentionally trying to sewer the team, never mind attempting to improve it. Thoughts?
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The offer sheets were awful.

The McLeod trade still works for us. Savoie is looking good, and his value is higher than McLeod's was at the time of the trade I would imagine. McLeod has done more in Buffalo than he would have done here. We can use hindsight to suggest that we should have kept McLeod and not signed Henrique, but at the time, Henrique was the better option.

The biggest issue with the J. Skinner deal was not talking it over with his coach first. The contract itself was a fine cap hit, and the only reason it is questioned at all, is Skinner's stat line, which is worse than expected thanks in part to healthy scratches and playing time.

The Henrique and Arvidson deals would have been fine without trade protection. Finding out about the NMC's is a blow, but nobody saw Arvidsson's lacklustre performance coming.

The Klingberg deal is fine. We can still waive him and bury the entire hit if we have to.

The Kane stuff is all rumour so far. I'd like to hear more about it, but its too early to blame anyone for anything so far.

Agreed on needing a goalie.

The team was doing fine until the 4 Nations break. There's a lot of chicken littleing going on in the fanbase right now.
 
It’s certainly not the worst 9 months in Oilers history.
The Kane uncertainty is on Bowman and if he believes S Skinner is the answer then he’s just another fool.
 
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