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Has there ever been a team that has sucked so bad yet had so much talent?

Axl Rhoadz said:
This was a 98 point team last year, and not much of the roster has changed. So what did change? Kopitar, Doughty and Quick....what team wouldn’t want those players on their team?
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The top line and the aforementioned names really carried the team. They had us fooled they were a 98 point team. The second line was invisible most nights last season, all being wildly inconsistent.

When Doughty wasn’t on the ice, the defense looked suspect. They have been lacking depth and relying heavily on their top players, and if they struggle like they have this season or like they did in 2017, well, this is what you get. A horribly flawed team.
 
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Ziggy Stardust said:
Talent?
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There are some highly skilled players on this team. They have the individual and team hardware to prove it. I still think the locker room is sick of each other.

The answer to the topic question is maybe not. I remember some of those underachieving teams the rangers were dealing with for a while.
 
Like no matter what you think of the depth, I'm not sure I can recall anything remotely close to a team with a Selke winner/Hart finalist, Norris winner, Conn Smythe winning goalie on the roster finishing this terribly. But Id have to look at some history i think
 
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Well, no team has gone up 3-0 in every playoff series in one playoff tournament, or won three road Game 7's in one playoff tournament, and very few have come back from down 0-3 in a series. How many won 3 OT home games in the Final either? This year sort of balances all that out I suppose.
 
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Scottkmlps said:
I'm just boggled how this team can go to being the best defensive team in the league last year to the absolute worst, all within a few months with pretty much the same personnel. The low scoring team? Yeah, you expect that, but not this bad of a defensive team.
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The Kings are giving up more goals, but it's not a huge leap. GAA ~ 3.1. That's not great, but it's middle of the pack. It just doesn't work when they score only 2 goals a game.
 
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Watching them last night, there just zero emotion with this bunch, even when they scored goals to tie it up a couple of times,

Maybe they have accepted their fate, I know I certainly have. The need to come out playing like their hair is on fire, heck I would take their hair is smoldering at this point.
 
Scottkmlps said:
I'm just boggled how this team can go to being the best defensive team in the league last year to the absolute worst, all within a few months with pretty much the same personnel. The low scoring team? Yeah, you expect that, but not this bad of a defensive team.
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Goals per period and the difference in the last 3 years, when they started giving up more goals than they scored in the 1st.

16-17:
1st) .561 GF, .780 GA, -.219
2nd) .768 GF, .866 GA, -.098
3rd) .951 GF, .866 GA, +.085

17-18:
1st) .634 GF, .963 GA, -.329
2nd) .963 GF, .707 GA, +.256
3rd) 1.183 GF, .707 GA, +.476

18-19:
1st) .517 GF, .897 GA, -.380
2nd) .862 GF, 1.069 GA, -.207
3rd) .690 GF, 1.103 GA, .-413

This season's 1st and 3rd periods are their worst two periods in the last 3 years, by a decent margin. They don't start games well, they don't end games well, and they can't catch up in between.
 
Herby said:
I still don't see the talent level some others do. Just hard to say a team is talented when they have failed under multiple coaches and management teams.
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The talent is there, it's the motivation, determination and heart that seems to be missing,

There are thousands of talented players that never made the NHL due to motivation, determination and heart.
 
GoldenBearHockey said:
The talent is there, it's the motivation, determination and heart that seems to be missing,

There are thousands of talented players that never made the NHL due to motivation, determination and heart.
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I still don't buy it. But even if that's the case, if a team has no motivation, determination or heart then why on Earth didn't Blake or Lombardi do anything about it the last 4+ years? We have had the fewest turnover in the NHL the last five seasons, with one playoff win and depending on who you believe either an untalented roster or an unmotivated roster.

Again, this team has been so poorly managed the last almost five years, no matter how you slice it there should have been massive changes by now.
 
I 75% blame Blake and Luc, the other 25% I blame Kopitar and Carter. I blame Blake and Luc for believing in Kopitar and Carter. I blame Kopitar for being a lazy s.o.b, I blame Carter for getting old.
 
Dan Beckerman, April '17:
"I absolutely would not characterize it as a rebuild. We have so many of the core pieces in place to be successful ... We have the expectation we're going to be back competing for championships immediately."

Okay, so that was a huge swing and a miss, but I would really like to know - and this I am asking to the Kings faithful here - is what is their public position today (if any)?

Do the bosses still delude themselves into thinking this team is a tweak away from contending or have they changed their mission statement? If the
Pearson/Hagelin trade is the start of a series of roster moves, that tells us what regarding their assessment?
 
GoldenBearHockey said:
The talent is there, it's the motivation, determination and heart that seems to be missing,

There are thousands of talented players that never made the NHL due to motivation, determination and heart.
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The 'talent' of most of the core is eroding...Carter and Toffoli's play have dropped considerably....Kopitar's play is not even 60% of what he was last year.
Muzzin, Martinez, Brown, are about 80% of what they were last Cup in 2014. It's just passage of time and maybe some injuries play into it.
Kopitar has no excuse, of that bunch. He is playing without any heart, urgency, or determination. I just don't see the effort. He rarely goes to the
net....that one game he had a goal and an assist, maybe 10 days ago - he was going to the net and both his pts were right in front of the net.
He chooses to play the perimeter and he's not going to be successful there.

I miss good hockey, so every night, I watch center ice and flip between games...so you watch other games? What you wil lfind is the
talent level and execution is so far beyond what you see with the Kings....for whatever reasons, the Kings look like an AHL
team after you watch other games. Seriously.

Iafallo is not a #1 LW. He's a decent player, but needs to move down a line or 2. He will perform just as well and maybe help a lower line get going somewhat.
Carter and Toffoli are no longer top 6 players and they cannot play bottom 6. Phaneuf is terrible.

The best thing that can happen, is Drew ask for a trade and get 3 top assets back for him and begin the rebuild. The best thing that was supposed
to happen, was for the team to turn it around...but it cannot and will not happen. 1/3 the season is over. #31. #31 offense. #31 PP #28 PK.
Worst 2nd line in NHL. Worst defenseman in NHL DF. Horrible coach. Team has no heart, drive, determination and yes, LACK OF TALENT.
 
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Peter James Bond II said:
The 'talent' of most of the core is eroding...Carter and Toffoli's play have dropped considerably....Kopitar's play is not even 60% of what he was last year.
Muzzin, Martinez, Brown, are about 80% of what they were last Cup in 2014. It's just passage of time and maybe some injuries play into it.
Kopitar has no excuse, of that bunch. He is playing without any heart, urgency, or determination. I just don't see the effort. He rarely goes to the
net....that one game he had a goal and an assist, maybe 10 days ago - he was going to the net and both his pts were right in front of the net.
He chooses to play the perimeter and he's not going to be successful there.

I miss good hockey, so every night, I watch center ice and flip between games...so you watch other games? What you wil lfind is the
talent level and execution is so far beyond what you see with the Kings....for whatever reasons, the Kings look like an AHL
team after you watch other games. Seriously.

Iafallo is not a #1 LW. He's a decent player, but needs to move down a line or 2. He will perform just as well and maybe help a lower line get going somewhat.
Carter and Toffoli are no longer top 6 players and they cannot play bottom 6. Phaneuf is terrible.

The best thing that can happen, is Drew ask for a trade and get 3 top assets back for him and begin the rebuild. The best thing that was supposed
to happen, was for the team to turn it around...but it cannot and will not happen. 1/3 the season is over. #31. #31 offense. #31 PP #28 PK.
Worst 2nd line in NHL. Worst defenseman in NHL DF. Horrible coach. Team has no heart, drive, determination and yes, LACK OF TALENT.
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But they were really good 5 years ago!
 
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