Has Quinn Hughes been underwhelming since his rookie season?

[Love]

No he’s been great. He is one of the best skaters and playmakers in the NHL today. For example:


Career assists per game:

Nicklas Backstrom: .71

Patrick Kane: .68

Nikita Kucherov: .67

Quinn Hughes: .74

Sidney Crosby: .80

Johnny Gaudreau: .66

Connor McDavid: .94

Leon Draisaitl: .66

Cale Makar: .76

Nathan MacKinnon: .65


He is one of the truly elite passers/playmakers in the game today and he doesn’t have anywhere near the help the other guys on this list have.

 

[Hisch13r]

Nah

 

[Regal]

Byram is great and all, but he hasn't played much yet. What little he has played has been terrific though.

He hasn’t, but he was a big part of the finals though. And Girard has had periods of strong play as their number 3 before that too. The point is the rosters, and defenses are wildly different, and even though Makar is a good amount better, flipping the two wouldn’t significantly change the fortunes of each.

 

[Voight]

Still funny people used to put Hughes and Makar in the same sentence. MILES apart.

Hughes puts up his PP points. Ok at ES production. Cannot rely on such a small guy to defend really. He is one dimensional.

You have to have a steady guy next to him for sure and let Hughes do his thing. Hughes is like an upgraded Tyson Barrie with more speed.

A guy like Tanev would look good next to QH

You mean like during their rookie years where they finished 1-2 for the Calder and produced nearly equal amount of points? It wasn't such. crazy idea; not man people foresaw Makar developing into the leagues best defensemen so quickly.

 

[rangersfansince08]

You mean like during their rookie years where they finished 1-2 for the Calder and produced nearly equal amount of points? It wasn't such. crazy idea; not man people foresaw Makar developing into the leagues best defensemen so quickly.

Its revisionist history at its finest.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Looking at his advanced stats, there not even that bad. Middle of the pack.

 

[Raistlin]

Explain him turning the puck over in his own zone and getting bullied off the puck and being irrelevant in puck battles ?

The good thing is, the flaws in his game are coach-able, it's not a talent or lack of work ethic issue. I'm sure he'll continue to refine his game and get better, but I dunno maybe we're watching two different players. Anytime I see him in his own zone he looks lost and ineffective.

you are watching a different player, maybe its the 6'5 chaos giraffe that takes a crap load of minors that caught your eye? No one that watches the canucks will come out with a ridiculous take that Hughes is lost and ineffective in his own zone regularly, maybe stay up once in a while instead of hilight watching? He will get out-muscled because he is not big, but his positioning and stick work is night and day compared to rookie season. This season, his effort level is slightly more inconsistent, and his defensive game did not improve as much as the latter half when Bruce was leaning on him. He will never be a Seider or Pronger type, but he is capable in his own end. When paired with a defensive D, it will be much more efficient for him to roam for 25 minutes a night. Comparing him to Makar and Bourque is kind of unfair....he is probably the only untouchable on the canucks.

 

[Johnsie19]

He's had such terrible d partners the last few yrs that Canuck fans are over the moon with having Luke Schenn there.

Simple fact is the kid is a unicorn. His edges might be the best in the league. No he is not as good as Makar but he is a Larry Murphy to Paul Coffey. That is to say he is excellent.

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

No, Hughes best season was last year

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

Only a few seasons ago in 2020, Cale Makar and Quinn Hughes used to be a legitimate conversation on who's better. Fast forward 2 seasons and Makar has achieved his potential by becoming a franchise-changing talent who helped push his team to the Stanley Cup.

Quinn Hughes on the other hand hasn't had much luck as his teams continue to miss the playoffs. His production especially defensively has declined since his rookie year.

This has continued this year as the Canucks are having a disastrous season with Hughes struggling on defense.

For a guy who looked to be a perennial Norris-trophy contending D Man for years to come, he's low-key underachieved amongst expectations.

quinn hughes has been mostly incredible since his rookie season, up to this season where he’s taken a step back

but cale makar has been absolutely bonkers since their rookie seasons. i don’t think you can say hughes has underachieved just because he’s not cale makar. makar has destroyed every reasonable projection and then some.

He's had such terrible d partners the last few yrs that Canuck fans are over the moon with having Luke Schenn there.

Simple fact is the kid is a unicorn. His edges might be the best in the league. No he is not as good as Makar but he is a Larry Murphy to Paul Coffey. That is to say he is excellent.

larry murphy was… not a good skater to say the leas

quinn is maybe more like young leetch to makar’s coffey?

 

[Spirits]

The point is the rosters, and defenses are wildly different, and even though Makar is a good amount better, flipping the two wouldn’t significantly change the fortunes of each.

Hughes would be the 5th defenseman on the Avs right now. He isn't a good defenseman, but a nice PP specialist/secondary assist magnet.

 

[CanucksSayEh]

Oddly timed thread after his best season to date, and team leading ppg to start..

 

[Szechwan]

Hughes would be the 5th defenseman on the Avs right now. He isn't a good defenseman, but a nice PP specialist/secondary assist magnet.

So far this season he's been pretty darn good lugging Schenn around.

 

[Sky04]

He had 68 points last year or do you just associate how the Canucks are doing to Hughes himself?

 

[Spirits]

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So far this season he's been pretty darn good lugging Schenn around.

5th defenseman. He isn't moving Makar, Toews, Byram or Manson out of the top 4.

 

[nbwingsfan]

This is correct.

He is better than Makar and always has been. If they traded places all would see.

There’s bad takes, and then there’s this one.

He’s an okay #1, nothing more.

 

[wetcoast]

LOL
His best season was last season

There goes that theory

Pretty much this although it's ahrd to take this thread very seriosuly as Quinn is a star dman in the NHL even if I think his muffin shot holds him back slightly overall.

Defensively his game is much better than I thought it would become on draft day, the whole Canuck situation is really bad though.

 

[Guttersniped]

I was told loudly and repeatedly that Hughes was better than Makar when they were both rookies by Canucks fans. Now and forever going forward I will hold Hughes to Makars standards. And yes, I realize they aren't even in the same stratosphere, just like we all told Canucks fans back then.

You should always provide this whole intro about what Canucks fans told you in 2019-20 and how it made you felt before you tell people how Makar and Hughes aren’t in the same stratosphere. It really sells the argument.

 

[crowfish]

I got news for you guys, if Makar was traded for Hughes the Avs would still be cup favorites and the Canucks would still suck ass. Hughes has Luke Schenn as his partner... Makar plays with freakin Devon Toews, and for a team with championship-level D depth.

Makar is the better player for sure, but it is way closer than most are giving it credit for. The big difference is Makars shot, skating and passing Hughes is right there with him.

 

[crowfish]

I don't think we can trust Avalanche fans to rate how good Makar is compared to others. Weren't a bunch of them trying to say he was the new best player in the league over McDavid last year? Lol.

 

[CanucksSayEh]

Hughes long outlet/breakaway passes are insane. Any other player, there's almost always a bobble/hesitation when receiving a ripper of a 100' pass. Huggy puts it a padded parcel, signature required. Even AHL plugs take it like it's on Velcro.