Has Mike Sullivan Been Fired yet

Kyle Dubas is Canadian, and part of the Olympic committee for hockey.

Mike Sullivan is Tema USA's coach.

Dubas knows that Team USA's biggest weakness is coaching.

He's playing 4D chess and keeping Sullivan around to make Canada's chances of winning gold in 2026 much easier.
I want to see Sullivan fired, then get hired in Anaheim and start telling the Ducks media that Carlson is on the 4th line because he needs to learn to play the right way, that he doesn't have the juice in his game like Harkins and needs to show stickoitiveness.

Then have the media suddenly have that moment of "oh f***...he really is a dumb shit."
 
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Mario's statue is more than deserved.

But after the back to back cups, it is arguable that he and Burkle were absentee owners.

There was no effort to get the area around the arena properly developed. There were no upgrades to the arena despite some needs as it passed and crossed the 10-year anniversary.

As Guerin, Botterill, and Fitzgerald left the front office for GM jobs, there was no effort to replace them. Rutherford was content to have fewer and fewer people around him, and the lack of depth shows in hindsight.

And their greatest sin was Mario and Burkle delegating the GM search to David Morehouse, who hired Burke and Heztall.

That's what an absentee ownership looks like. Not one that's overseen an overhaul and substantial growth of the front office staff, paid for an overhaul of the minor league staffs, paid for arena upgrades, and finally made progress on much delayed development around the arena.

FSG is corporate. They're largely faceless outside of their Red Sox ownership. Time will tell if they can win.

But they're not absent. Just because they haven't made one move that some fans want doesn't mean they're not invested.
Burkle is a creepy f***.

This is a bloke that was a frequent flier of Air Epstein and god father to Diddy's children because he's super tight with Captain Freak Off and Giant tubs of Lube. He was also apparently dating barely legal girls and I often wonder if his son found out his Dad was a sick piece of shit and that's why he ended his life. He also owns Neverland Ranch and calls his private jet "Air f*** One" so yeah, Ron Burkle is a sick f***ing weirdo. Doesn't shock me that they'd own a team together, one hide a rape for a mate and felt a statutory rapist being signed would be a feel good story while having daughters himself like dude really? Then the other one did all that other shit above and is named Ron.

Mates that hide rapes, own teams together - or whatever that saying is.
 
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Dubas likes Sullivan too.

Idk if we can definitively say that is true.
If my boss absolutely loves the person I manage, do you think I'm going to say anything remotely negative about that individual?

I'm not saying my theory is correct either, but believe you have to consider the possibility that Dubas sees through Sully's mirage and is not enamored with his work.
 
It's been over. Saying it's over if they don't fire Sully now is like sounding the alarm that the Titanic has hit an iceberg has the hull settles on the ocean floor. :laugh:
 
Another coach down, yet we still cling to the belief that we still have one that is good after 3 missed playoffs years, and regression. Unreal.
 
On a side note I just pulled up Seattle's roster and had a look at the numbers/players on that team.

I dunno how much I can really blame Disco. That's quite a garbage collection.
Which makes it even crazier to have a dude going on... Three, worsening years, while having two of the greatest players in franchise history mostly healthy, two "elite" dmen, and a goalie who was multi all star capable.

Yet still being warm and comfy on his secure throne.

FSG is a joke. Other owners are ready to can a guy who didn't make a bad team less bad. We're saddled to a f***er who is making a bad team worse.
 
Which makes it even crazier to have a dude going on... Three, worsening years, while having two of the greatest players in franchise history mostly healthy, two "elite" dmen, and a goalie who was multi all star capable.

Yet still being warm and comfy on his secure throne.

FSG is a joke. Other owners are ready to can a guy who didn't make a bad team less bad. We're saddled to a f***er who is making a bad team worse.

It's getting harder and harder to disagree outside of them being well-monied and "stable" whatever the f*** that means these days.

But to be fair to them their GM hasn't exactly covered himself in glory so far, either. I don't think most of these roster have been very good. Better than THIS but not particularly good. Especially this year... woof. Though not QUITE bad enough! Lovely position to be in.
 
What is the over/under that Dubas brings in players that keeps Koivunen, Rutger, Pickering in WBS most of the year? This BS about pushing to make the playoffs next year to me means more old players in FA.
 
What is the over/under that Dubas brings in players that keeps Koivunen, Rutger, Pickering in WBS most of the year? This BS about pushing to make the playoffs next year to me means more old players in FA.

I'll take the "over" on that because we mustn't forget that Dubie has Assistant General Manager Mike Sullivan advising him on roster moves. May as well start scouring the UFA lists for the next Acciari, Nieto, etc.
 
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Which makes it even crazier to have a dude going on... Three, worsening years, while having two of the greatest players in franchise history mostly healthy, two "elite" dmen, and a goalie who was multi all star capable.

Yet still being warm and comfy on his secure throne.

FSG is a joke. Other owners are ready to can a guy who didn't make a bad team less bad. We're saddled to a f***er who is making a bad team worse.
Sullivan should be fired, but is this really an accurate assessment of the team?

Crosby is still elite.

Malkin is healthy, but he's now just a normal 2C rather than an elite player.

Neither Letang nor Karlsson are elite. Karlsson is still very good offensively, but he's a blackhole defensively and he's been well below average on the power play to the point where he's no longer on the No. 1 unit. Letang is worse all the way around.

And Jarry may have been an all-star but has been plagued by inconsistency and stumbled in big moments his entire pro career.

I think a coaching change would be good to build for the future, but it would not change the current fortunes of the Penguins.
 
What is the over/under that Dubas brings in players that keeps Koivunen, Rutger, Pickering in WBS most of the year? This BS about pushing to make the playoffs next year to me means more old players in FA.
Where did you see anything about a push to make the playoffs next year? If anything, Dubas' comments today made it abundantly clear that they're building for long-term success, not a quick fix.
 
Sullivan should be fired, but is this really an accurate assessment of the team?

Crosby is still elite.

Malkin is healthy, but he's now just a normal 2C rather than an elite player.
More implied that these two are better than whatever disco had, and the season record was really not better than
Neither Letang nor Karlsson are elite. Karlsson is still very good offensively, but he's a blackhole defensively and he's been well below average on the power play to the point where he's no longer on the No. 1 unit. Letang is worse all the way around.

Well, elite was in quotes. There's no reason for KL and EK to be detractors on a team, yet. If they do struggle out there.. It's the coach's job to figure out how to correct that.


And Jarry may have been an all-star but has been plagued by inconsistency and stumbled in big moments his entire pro career.
Oh i hate jarry. But he's quite obviously got skill. The defensive zone coverage we give our goalies is literally abysmal. Blame? That's the damn coach again.

I think a coaching change would be good to build for the future, but it would not change the current fortunes of the Penguins.

I think there's enough on this team and in WBS to not be flailing in the bottom handful of teams. No one would have this team competing. But there is something better than missing playoffs 3 years in a row here. Sully ain't finding it.

If the shitty season records were a feature and not a bug, to build for the future, then we aren't even doing that right. This team goal is to compete and we arent. Night in and night out. We do nothing to cover our warts. And if THIS is the best of everyone, if we are covering our warts, then we needed to tank. Because this team isn't gonna get better without draft help, as all modern salary cap teams.
 
Dan Bylsma is the best example of a coach who would "get hired the minute he got fired" not succeeding anywhere else as an NHL head coach.

It's probably not fair to blame him for either team that fired him, especially Buffalo because I don't think Toe Blake could save that team, but without all-world centers your top two lines, he's merely another passed around coach.

It's the same thing I see happening with Sullivan; he'll bring some excitement to a new team, but once they realize that Sidney Crosby is not coming with him, he'll be lucky to last three seasons at a new destination.
 
I think there's enough on this team and in WBS to not be flailing in the bottom handful of teams. No one would have this team competing. But there is something better than missing playoffs 3 years in a row here. Sully ain't finding it.

If the shitty season records were a feature and not a bug, to build for the future, then we aren't even doing that right. This team goal is to compete and we arent. Night in and night out. We do nothing to cover our warts. And if THIS is the best of everyone, if we are covering our warts, then we needed to tank. Because this team isn't gonna get better without draft help, as all modern salary cap teams.
This team is doing what works to rebuild in the modern NHL. Take a look at the current playoff teams:

RETOOL VIA LATE PICKS/TRADES/FREE AGENCY
Washington
Carolina
Florida
Tampa (this version)
Montreal
Winnipeg (not one top five pick among their leading scorers)\
Dallas
Vegas
LA Kings
St. Louis
Minnesota

TANK/LOTTO LUCK
New Jersey
Toronto
Ottawa
Colorado (Mackinnon and Makar, though they've retooled a lot around them)
Edmonton

Five of 16 teams tanked. Edmonton, Colorado, and Toronto all did it 10 or so years ago under different lotto rules. Even New Jersey did the bulk of their drafting (Hischier, the Hughes brothers) before the new draft rules.

Tanking is a lot harder. You can't rely on getting top three picks for three or four consecutive years. You need to identify, draft, and develop players later in Round 1 and beyond. You need to acquire young talent elsewhere. And you need to make smart signings.

If you don't like the Washington model, look at Dallas. Jason Robertson was a second round pick. Mavrik Bourque was No. 30 overall. Wyatt Johnson was No. 23. Thomas Harley was No. 18. And Oettinger was No. 26.
 
This team is doing what works to rebuild in the modern NHL. Take a look at the current playoff teams:

RETOOL VIA LATE PICKS/TRADES/FREE AGENCY
Washington
Carolina
Florida
Tampa (this version)
Montreal
Winnipeg (not one top five pick among their leading scorers)\
Dallas
Vegas
LA Kings
St. Louis
Minnesota

TANK/LOTTO LUCK
New Jersey
Toronto
Ottawa
Colorado (Mackinnon and Makar, though they've retooled a lot around them)
Edmonton

Five of 16 teams tanked. Edmonton, Colorado, and Toronto all did it 10 or so years ago under different lotto rules. Even New Jersey did the bulk of their drafting (Hischier, the Hughes brothers) before the new draft rules.

Tanking is a lot harder. You can't rely on getting top three picks for three or four consecutive years. You need to identify, draft, and develop players later in Round 1 and beyond. You need to acquire young talent elsewhere. And you need to make smart signings.

If you don't like the Washington model, look at Dallas. Jason Robertson was a second round pick. Mavrik Bourque was No. 30 overall. Wyatt Johnson was No. 23. Thomas Harley was No. 18. And Oettinger was No. 26.
Dallas or Wash model is even harder than tanking…it requires hitting on a lot of lower selected prospects…you’re going to need a hell of a front office, development team and loads of luck…
 
Dallas or Wash model is even harder than tanking…it requires hitting on a lot of lower selected prospects…you’re going to need a hell of a front office, development team and loads of luck…
No one said it was easy.

But scouting and developing has a lot more control to it than just crossing your fingers and hoping the lotto ball bounces your way enough times over 3-4 years.
 
No one said it was easy.

But scouting and developing has a lot more control to it than just crossing your fingers and hoping the lotto ball bounces your way enough times over 3-4 years.

Not really…I mean we developed two lower ranked players in the last 13 years, Rust and Guentzel…either there isn’t more “control” than just luck or our front office and development team is/was terrible, which is probably the case in some respects, or there’s a lot more luck and less control than you’re suggesting …thinks there some of both there…at least with getting top three picks, the odds are higher you have an elite NHL player and in a shorter amount of time than the Dallas route
 
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