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Has Connor Bedard quietly became underrated ?

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authentic said:
To try to compare them is nonsensical because of the vast difference in how good they were at the same ages, no because of their linemates. There’s quite the gap between being 50-60th in the league in points and on pace for 20 something goals in a league where a few players can hit 60+, and then tying for 2nd in overall goals with an above average two-way game for a rookie center playing with rookie wingers (Hyman and Brown were also common linemates of his at ES and he didn’t even play with Marner at ES or on the powerplay) and also playing just over 17 minutes a night and 2:28 on the powerplay.

An above average defensively rookie center who comes 2nd in the NHL in goals with exclusively rookie wingers and 2nd line ice time and powerplay time should not be compared to someone who in their 2nd season will barely crack the top 50 in points or goals while being one of the worst players in the league defensively. Their draft status is the only reason this conversation exists for now.
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Not looking at context of team scoring doesn't make any sense. Funny enough, this all arose because "CONTEXT" was brought up, but apparently only some context matters... in the most generalized sense of context, but specific and individualized context somehow does not? The league's scoring rate doesn't matter a whole lot when the rest of your team is filled with elevated 3rd liners. The burden of how much of a scoring load a teenager is asked to carry is a night and day situation. Bedard walking into a terrible situation producing at a similar rate as a high performing 1st overall that walked into about as perfect a situation as you could speaks very well for Bedard.
 
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Bedard, as the only legit threat, was easy to focus on and teams knew all they had to do was hold him down and the rest of the roster is trash. Still kinda that same issue rn only not quite as bad.

Young AM in the other hand had plenty of other teammates to help shoulder the load, opponents couldn’t just zero in on AM they had several other threats to worry about. Other lines to contain. Like I said before 5 guys with 60+ pts. It was a fairly deep and talented(mix of youth and vets) group of forwards.

Bedard performing and producing like he has without any Marners or Nylanders or Kadris to help take away some of the pressure and/or allow for easier matchups is very impressive.
 
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WarriorofTime said:
Not looking at context of team scoring doesn't make any sense. Funny enough, this all arose because "CONTEXT" was brought up, but apparently only some context matters... in the most generalized sense of context, but specific and individualized context somehow does not? The league's scoring rate doesn't matter a whole lot when the rest of your team is filled with elevated 3rd liners. The burden of how much of a scoring load a teenager is asked to carry is a night and day situation. Bedard walking into a terrible situation producing at a similar rate as a high performing 1st overall that walked into about as perfect a situation as you could speaks very well for Bedard.
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This would be relevant if the players were comparable. How is this even a thing? 🤣
 
Both players were highly touted #1OA rookie Cs, one put up 69 pts in 82 games, the other put up 61 pts in 68 games, and both won Calder.

Yet we can’t compare?
 
SimpleJack said:
Both players were highly touted #1OA rookie Cs, one put up 69 pts in 82 games, the other put up 61 pts in 68 games, and both won Calder.

Yet we can’t compare?
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That’s why, other than that there’s no comparison to be had until Bedard makes that jump into becoming an elite player.

And to be clear, I don’t doubt he will sooner than later.
 
authentic said:
That’s why, other than that there’s no comparison to be had until Bedard makes that jump into becoming an elite player.

And to be clear, I don’t doubt he will sooner than later.
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But we’re comparing them as rookies I thought no? I mean obviously AM is better overall as of rn.
 
SimpleJack said:
Both players were highly touted #1OA rookie Cs, one put up 69 pts in 82 games, the other put up 61 pts in 68 games, and both won Calder.

Yet we can’t compare?
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Matthews finished 4 back of the Rocket as a rookie, Bedard was almost 50 goals behind the Rocket last year lmao

Kucherov and the boys literally doubled Bedard’s points per game
 
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authentic said:
Yes :laugh:

Matthews was an undoubtedly far superior player as a rookie.
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Nah, sry. Ur completely ignoring what’s been said to you several times now. He may have been better but it wasn’t “undoubtedly”, it’s definitely a worthy debate and saying it’s not and that they aren’t comparable because one was so far and away better than the other is just pure nonsense. I gotta say the level of ignorance and arrogance you’re displaying here is alarming. Must be a kid.

the valiant effort said:
Matthews finished 4 back of the Rocket as a rookie, Bedard was almost 50 goals behind the Rocket last year lmao

Kucherov and the boys literally doubled Bedard’s points per game
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Another poster completely ignoring all context. What a shock.
 
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Bedard is absolutely an NHL superstar in the making. However I think his top absolute peak when everything falls into place is ~130. Not 150 or 160 like 97. His size, speed, and stickhandling isn't at McDavid level while skating. It's definitely the tier right after.
 
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McFlash97 said:
Bedard is absolutely an NHL superstar in the making. However I think his top absolute peak when everything falls into place is ~130. Not 150 or 160 like 97. His size, speed, and stickhandling isn't at McDavid level while skating. It's definitely the tier right after.
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his skating is mediocre
 
McFlash97 said:
Bedard is absolutely an NHL superstar in the making. However I think his top absolute peak when everything falls into place is ~130. Not 150 or 160 like 97. His size, speed, and stickhandling isn't at McDavid level while skating. It's definitely the tier right after.
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This is fair. 130pts is still a lot.

It's unfair to compare him to McDavid, who will go down as one of the 5 best players in league history when he retires.
 
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McFlash97 said:
Bedard is absolutely an NHL superstar in the making. However I think his top absolute peak when everything falls into place is ~130. Not 150 or 160 like 97. His size, speed, and stickhandling isn't at McDavid level while skating. It's definitely the tier right after.
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I think Bedard himself would take that. 130 points is a lot, especially for a player who has yet to hit PPG.
 
McFlash97 said:
Bedard is absolutely an NHL superstar in the making. However I think his top absolute peak when everything falls into place is ~130. Not 150 or 160 like 97. His size, speed, and stickhandling isn't at McDavid level while skating. It's definitely the tier right after.
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He's for sure a superstar in the making, but in terms of using that combo of elite size/skating and stick handling to weave through traffic, there are tons of players between McDavid and Bedard.

He's at least 1-2 tiers behind the guys like:

Hughes
Necas
Nylander
MacKinnon
Stutzle
Crosby
Bratt
Barzal


Bedard has some of the best mitts in the league, but he's just not a dynamic enough skater to dominate through traffic like some of the guys listed above.
 
Fantomas said:
A real talent, but a very disappointing player.
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He had 80 points last season on a defensive minded team, that's pretty solid.

Unfortunately he hasn't had a ton of help in his career, and has played in really restrictive systems for the most part. Feels like he'd light it up on a team that plays a more open, up tempo game.
 
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WhiskeyYerTheDevils said:
He had 80 points last season on a defensive minded team, that's pretty solid.

Unfortunately he hasn't had a ton of help in his career, and has played in really restrictive systems for the most part. Feels like he'd light it up on a team that plays a more open, up tempo game.
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It's wild how people are dismissing proven players for what Bedard could be. For the record, I don't think Bedard will stick at center. Once Nazar and Moore are ready to take the first 2 center positions, I bet Bedard will move to wing and have a productive career with 80-90 points per season. I just don't see how he can live up to the generational label.
 
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BlueMed said:
It's wild how people are dismissing proven players for what Bedard could be. For the record, I don't think Bedard will stick at center. Once Nazar and Moore are ready to take the first 2 center positions, I bet Bedard will move to wing and have a productive career with 80-90 points per season. I just don't see how he can live up to the generational label.
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I think he'll be more productive than that, but agreed otherwise.

I'd be shocked if he doesn't break 100 points at least a few times.
 
WhiskeyYerTheDevils said:
I think he'll be more productive than that, but agreed otherwise.

I'd be shocked if he doesn't break 100 points at least a few times.
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I'll believe it when I see it. Even John Tavares has never hit 90 points in a single season before. Some Chicago fans think I'm insulting Bedard when I predict he'll average around 85 per season. That would be a great career.
 
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BlueMed said:
I'll believe it when I see it. Even John Tavares has never hit 90 points in a single season before. Some Chicago fans think I'm insulting Bedard when I predict he'll average around 85 per season. That would be a great career.
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85 in today's scoring environment isn't that impressive. 23 guys hit that number last year. Tavares 80-something point seasons in his prime would be a lot higher today. Bedard may have gotten that this year if the Hawks had the current guy instead of Richardson (lose with higher scoring totals rather than lose with low scoring totals) all season. As is, he's pacing for 71-72 points and both he and the team around him should be better moving forward.
 
WarriorofTime said:
85 in today's scoring environment isn't that impressive. 23 guys hit that number last year. Bedard may have gotten that this year if the Hawks had the current guy instead of Richardson (lose with higher scoring totals rather than lose with low scoring totals) all season. As is, he's pacing for 71-72 points and both he and the team around him should be better moving forward.
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Do you realistically think he's going to hit around 120 points like MacKinnon? If so, what has he done at this level to suggest that? Asking out of curiosity.
 
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