Lidstrom I'd say was definitely not. He was consistently the best defenseman for a number of years on a stacked team, but during his time there were a few who were around his level if not even better at their best like Pronger. There were several forwards who were considered better players than Lidstrom during his entire career, heck he was rarely considered the best player on his team even between Yzerman, Fedorov and Datsyuk. That to me makes it a no brainer that he wasn't generational. He wasn't even the best Swedish player from his generation.
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Lidstrom I'd say was definitely not. He was consistently the best defenseman for a number of years on a stacked team, but during his time there were a few who were around his level if not even better at their best like Pronger. There were several forwards who were considered better players than Lidstrom during his entire career, heck he was rarely considered the best player on his team even between Yzerman, Fedorov and Datsyuk. That to me makes it a no brainer that he wasn't generational. He wasn't even the best Swedish player from his generation.
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Just read the first messages, I feel like there is a bit of downplay on how hyped as a prospect he was, that was his
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draft year goals:
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23 points at the world junior your draft year, 36 in 16 games during his short career, going over Lindros 31 in 21.
draft -1:
| Rank | Player | Team | Goals |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Ben King | Red Deer | 52 |
| 2 | Connor Bedard | Regina | 51 |
| 3 | Jackson Berezowski | Everett | 46 |
| 4 | Dylan Guenther | Edmonton | 45 |
| 4 | Logan Stankoven | Kamloops | 45 |
draft year goals:
| Rank | Player | Team | Goals |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Connor Bedard | Regina | 71 |
| 2 | Kai Uchacz | Red Deer | 50 |
| 3 | Jackson Berezowski | Everett | 48 |
| 4 | Chase Wheatcroft | Prince George | 47 |
| 4 | Josh Filmon | Swift Current | 47 |
Draft year:
| Rank | Player | Team | Points |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Connor Bedard | Regina | 143 |
| 2 | Chase Wheatcroft | Prince George | 107 |
| 3 | Zachary Benson | Winnipeg | 98 |
| 4 | Logan Stankoven | Kamloops | 97 |
| 4 | Riley Heidt | Prince George | 97 |
23 points at the world junior your draft year, 36 in 16 games during his short career, going over Lindros 31 in 21.
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This isn't about some people. The hockey establishment already deemed Bedard generational. Just as the hockey establishment deemed Lindros, Crosby and McDavid generational. The same thing happened to Bedard.
You don't have to like it, you don't have to agree with it. But Bedard is already defined as generational.
Just like you didn't have to like or agree that Crosby or McDavid were generational in 2004 and 2014.
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About Crosby.
2005-06 was the highest scoring season in league history thanks to the new rules coming out of the lockout. There was no players over 100 points and one over 90 in the previous season of hockey (2003-04). In 2005-06, there was 7 players over 100 points.
Interesting how Crosby topped out at 120 points the next year and never reached that mark again. He really nailed those new rules. As did Ovechkin. Nothing against Crosby. I am just saying, its not like Crosby had light your hair on fire stats for his first 5 years and that is why he's considered generational.
But here everyone is, watching Bedard goal totals nightly. And if he doesn't get XX goals and points by XX, he's not generational, bruh. Except no. That's not actually how it works.
2005-06 was the highest scoring season in league history thanks to the new rules coming out of the lockout. There was no players over 100 points and one over 90 in the previous season of hockey (2003-04). In 2005-06, there was 7 players over 100 points.
Interesting how Crosby topped out at 120 points the next year and never reached that mark again. He really nailed those new rules. As did Ovechkin. Nothing against Crosby. I am just saying, its not like Crosby had light your hair on fire stats for his first 5 years and that is why he's considered generational.
But here everyone is, watching Bedard goal totals nightly. And if he doesn't get XX goals and points by XX, he's not generational, bruh. Except no. That's not actually how it works.
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The hockey establishment never deemed him generational, just because a few said it, does not mean he is. There are a lot more people in the hockey establishment than a few.
Sorry but he is not generational, as a hawk fan, it would be great, but he’s not on that tier.
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This has nothing to do with the Hawks. I can't stand the Hawks. My 2nd most hated team. Thankfully Bedard isn't putting any roots down in the city.
And no. The establishment did in fact, deem him generational. And that can be proven.
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You posted a graph that seem to indicate this is obviously false, in the same message.
Without being Gretzky-esque or prime Jagr, he did lead the league in ppg his first 5 years in the regular season and among the people with a lot of playoff games.
Crosby january 1, 2006 to january 1, 2007 had the most points in the nhl, at a very young age:
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Sorry that they fired Sheldon.
But proven? If your conclusion from before was exceptional status in the chl equals generational... but how could you asert that's 1 to 1.
Sports terminology is stupid as obviously people don't have set meaning on these words. So noone can say something is proven with no set definitions.
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In terms of total goals scored during an NHL regular season, the 2005–06 regular season turned out to be the highest-scoring in NHL history, with 7,443 goals scored in 1,230 games. The highest-scoring season in terms of goals per game still belonged to the 1992–93 regular season, in which 7,311 goals were scored in only 1,008 games.You posted a graph that seem to indicate this is obviously false, in the same message.
Without being Gretzky-esque or prime Jagr, he did lead the league in ppg his first 5 years in the regular season and among the people with a lot of playoff games.
Crosby january 1, 2006 to january 1, 2007 had the most points in the nhl, at a very young age:
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Conor Bedard was 18 last season. Not 18 at the start of the season, but 18 for the entire season -- that is, a high school student for his entire rookie NHL season. Bedard scored at a 74-point pace overall. So, how many players, before turning 19, have scored at that pace since 1990 ?
Sidney Crosby. (In the post lockout year)
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Why would anyone look at the total numbers of goals (which will change a lot by the numbers of teams), you have a nice graph there that show you want interest you, gpg, and it clearly show 06 was not close to be the highest scoring season of all time:
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Hockey reference boost post lockout scoring a bit by counting the goal winning shootout goals as a goal and yet, 2005-2006 is just out of the Top 40 season with the most goal scored per games as the #41 highest offense season in league history.
2021-2022, 2022-2023 and 2023-2024 should have had way more goals, more teams, more goal per games, I am unsure where you get that information about 2006.
As for a good sign of power at be feeling Bedard could be generational, you have the first game he had in the nhl, being against Crosby, the sit down interview, etc...
McDavid before turning 19, scored 12 in 13, I would not imagine anyone else did (Ovechkin, Malkin, Lindros, Forsberg, Yashin were all a bit old rookie)
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Pace isn't as important as the pts/game relative to the league. Crosby was 6th in pts/game and Bedard was 57th...
There is a big difference between producing like a top 6 player right away vs a top 50 player.
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Great post. Also want to mention Howe took a few years to start scoring, obvi we know how his career ended up.
My thought is, like any young player, for too early to tell about Bedard either way. And arguing he's certainly generational is equally dumb as arguing he certainly won't be generational
You posted a graph that seem to indicate this is obviously false, in the same message.
Without being Gretzky-esque or prime Jagr, he did lead the league in ppg his first 5 years in the regular season and among the people with a lot of playoff games.
Crosby january 1, 2006 to january 1, 2007 had the most points in the nhl, at a very young age:
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Actually you could argue Crosby was better than Gretzky from 18 and a half to 19 and a half since that was basically Gretzky's rookie season. Pretty crazy really.
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After putting up 55 points in the first half of his rookie season, Gretzky ballooned to 82 points in the second half-- which started in the month that he turned 19.
