The great teams of the cap era have repeated. One isn't enough
Just like the biggest underachievers: Ovechkin's Capitals
Has Colorado’s core underachieved?.
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Slats432
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Here is some more. RW average in Central 32.875. RW average in Pacific 31.25. If you are thinking there is some big discrepancy by playing in the Central you would be wrong. 2 points over 82 games is nothing.
HockeyWooot
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They have the core players to win multiple cups, but that shouldn’t be the expected norm. Winning one cup is already insanely hard.
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No, in the sense that it's pretty hard to win multiple cups with the same group in the .order. Cap era NHL.
Though I would have expected one more deepish run in the three years since which obviously didn't happen. Letting Rantanen go will be a regret sooner than later
Though I would have expected one more deepish run in the three years since which obviously didn't happen. Letting Rantanen go will be a regret sooner than later
Good grief, Colorado loses a tough 1st round series in 7 to a contending Dallas team and now we have posts with photos of fans with bags on their heads and a thread like this. 95% of fan bases in the league would kill to be where Colorado is: A recent Cup in hand, contending year in and year out, with a star-studded roster that still has a decent sized window going forward. The team is fine.
I don’t think this much navel gazing and self-pity is warranted. This kind of thread is what you would expect for a team like Buffalo.
I don’t think this much navel gazing and self-pity is warranted. This kind of thread is what you would expect for a team like Buffalo.
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I think when you look at those old Avalanche teams, in their prime (before 2002), other than that loss to the Oilers they only fell to other great teams. The current itineration has lost to some good-but-not-great teams as well as some stunningly average teams...
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It's a whole lot easier to keep a core together without a salary cap in the way.
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Avs focus has been too much on the forwards and not enough on D and in net. Goal was finally taken care of, now upgrade the d, even if it means a downgrade at forward.
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Sort of, only in the sense that the 2022 team was so freaking good that year. Having one of their core players be more in love with cocaine than he was with playing hockey certainly doesn't help. Neither does Landeskog being injured. Neither does lackluster goaltending.
Obviously they won once and that's amazing, but it would have been majorly disappointing if the Hawks didn't win another after 2010 or the Pens after 2009 for instance. Just sky high potential not being realized there.
Obviously they won once and that's amazing, but it would have been majorly disappointing if the Hawks didn't win another after 2010 or the Pens after 2009 for instance. Just sky high potential not being realized there.
JaegerDice
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Dude, after decades of futility since well before I was born, I was very much thinking "If I can see the Blackhawks win ONE CUP, then they can lose every other game forever for all I care" during the 2010 playoffs. The idea of winning ADDITIONAL cups felt like crazy talk.
Just winning ONE cup is a core achieving it's mission.
More than one is over-achieving.
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Would you be okay with that Blackhawks core winning once in 2010 and never making it past the second round afterwards?. The Avs would look much better had they actually gone to another Stanley Cup final or had some more WCF finals to their name. The idea of additional cups sounds crazy to teams such as St Louis Blues in 2019, but it doesn't sound crazy to me when you have two top-five players in the league, a 100-point, 50-goal caliber superstar, and other very solid supporting pieces. Analysts and posters here were going on for years saying how they prefer that Avs' core over anyone else's, how Colorado's rebuild was the absolute best case scenario a franchise could hope for.
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Hard to say that in this day and age with a cup win but it’s surprising to see the lack of deep runs for this core given the way they’re talked about. Still lots of time but puts this core more in line with Washington instead of Chicago/Pittsburgh/TB/LA
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Having seen the entire runs of the 1999-2007 Senators & 2006-2019 Sharks in real time, I will never call a core that wins the cup underachievers. Lost in 7 to that Sharks team in their last run of contention, lost to a hot Stars team that made the finals that year, and to a really good Vegas team in 2021 in their years leading up to their cup win. The Vegas series was the only one I thought they should've won but didn't. Then they had a dominant 2022 season from start to finish, culminating in beating the defending 2 time cup champ Bolts to win it all.
Having said all of this, their lack of playoff success since 2022 has surprised me. They looked like a great team who could go on a multi cup run, but in hindsight they might've won it just in the nick of time. Since then they've been a top heavy team without their supplementary depth in 2022, and not having great goaltending has caught up to them more as a result. They definitely make more of an effort to resign Kadri if they know replacing him as 2C would be this hard. Losing to Seattle in 2023 was really bad, last year Dallas was simply better, but this year losing to a shorthanded Dallas team was also bad. With the bigger load their two main superstars have to carry compared to 2022, it seems like they get worn down more as series go on due to how much Bednar plays them.
Their core is still absolutely young enough to go on another cup run. But with how MacFarland has mismanaged the team with his horrible asset management since taking over, 2022 could be in an in the nick of time moment.
Having said all of this, their lack of playoff success since 2022 has surprised me. They looked like a great team who could go on a multi cup run, but in hindsight they might've won it just in the nick of time. Since then they've been a top heavy team without their supplementary depth in 2022, and not having great goaltending has caught up to them more as a result. They definitely make more of an effort to resign Kadri if they know replacing him as 2C would be this hard. Losing to Seattle in 2023 was really bad, last year Dallas was simply better, but this year losing to a shorthanded Dallas team was also bad. With the bigger load their two main superstars have to carry compared to 2022, it seems like they get worn down more as series go on due to how much Bednar plays them.
Their core is still absolutely young enough to go on another cup run. But with how MacFarland has mismanaged the team with his horrible asset management since taking over, 2022 could be in an in the nick of time moment.
