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Has Colorado’s core underachieved?.

It's so hard to win in the NHL. Mackinnon has been a ppg+ player in the playoffs for a decade straight, Makar is elite, but you need 4 lines, 3 pairs, a goalie and probably a 2nd goalie, players suspiciously going on LTIR before returning game 1, a league looking the other way on sexual abuse scandals, or just Phil Kessel, all hitting at the right time to win the cup multiple times.
 
Regal said:
Maybe relative to what they seemed capable of a few years ago, but Landeskog’s injury, Nichushkin’s personal issues, and Byram stagnating with injury and then wanting a bigger role were obvious hurdles. As was the flat cap coinciding with MacKinnon’s raise. They probably should have beat Seattle and maybe 2020 Dallas, but there’s no shame in losing to Vegas or Dallas the past two years.
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Vegas, no. Dallas, yes. People think better of the Stars because Colorado keeps blowing series to them despite having better teams.
 
Hockey remains a team sport and the narrative that a core should be held accountable to win cups without good depth is poster underachievement.
 
bambamcam4ever said:
Vegas, no. Dallas, yes. People think better of the Stars because Colorado keeps blowing series to them despite having better teams.
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Stars teams were better man, sorry but 2-3 elite players don’t make a team better overall.

There’s a reason why the Stars own the Avs. Keep telling yourself you guys had a better team though if it makes it easier to cope with.
 
Disappointing yes, underachieving, no

Winning one cup is already the ultimate accomplishment for any core. I’m sure they’ll be disappointed if they don’t win another one, but it won’t be an underachievement
 
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Colorado had some bad luck with the landeskog injury and Nishkushkin sniffin snow for two years. That’s 2 star level goal scoring power forwards gone from your team. Add in regression to Toews and trying to rely on georgiev these are the things that sunk their battle ship.
 
After trading Rantanen and including an injured Landy, other than Mac and Mak who is there core? Not disappointing at all. They got a Cup.
 
Turin said:
Not really. There’s 32 teams. Hard to win multiple Cups
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Colorado is a bit of a bizarre case. Obviously winning a cup is the ultimate goal and you can't take that away from Colorado. And it was full value for that win, that team was unreal.

But at the same time, its kind of crazy that core hasn't made it out of the 2nd round any time other than that.
 
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Oilslick941611 said:
when im forced to watch islanders play, i disagree wholeheartedly!

The NYI feel like a forgotten franchise
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Didn't say the entertainment was positive. As a fan, ineptitude is torturous yet interesting to watch. As bad as they can be, I watch every minute of every game except vs Carolina because I live in NC and those games are blacked out

Obviously I root for wins but them sucking doesn't bother me as much because I got to see dynasty hockey
 
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The way they absolutely dominated their way to the cup in 2022 as compared to the disappointment of rest of their playoff runs, yeah I think they somewhat have
 
Mike C said:
Didn't say the entertainment was positive. As a fan, ineptitude is torturous yet interesting to watch. As bad as they can be, I watch every minute of every game except vs Carolina because I live in NC and those games are blacked out

Obviously I root for wins but them sucking doesn't bother me as much because I got to see dynasty hockey
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same for me we ran through the decade of darkness, it wasn't fun though
 
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Their journey up until the cup was fine. Won some rounds, some experience as an underdog, couple disappointing losses when they had the team to contend, and finally a break through with the cup.

But obviously the last 3 years haven't been perfect. I wouldn't say it's the core's fault though. They've ran their superstars to the ground and they've done an amazing job of carrying the team to solid regular season records despite at times some very thin rosters due to injuries and whatnot. Also they have produced in the playoffs for the most part.

The management to me needs to do better. I understand they've been in some tough situations with uncertainty regarding Landy and Nuke and such, so it's tough to say how much they've could've actually done. But it feels like they haven't succeeded for sure.

What the Avs need right now is to stabilize things. With Landeskog back in the fold and Nuke's shenanigans hopefully in the past, they should know what they have and what they can afford to do. It's cool to bolster the lineup in the season, but you only have so much time with that group to gel.

They need a better team from day 1 of the regular season. The turnover this year during the season was ridiculous.
 
Oilslick941611 said:
Yah. Exactly my point. Those old cups don’t hold much weight today do they? Look at my oilers. 5 cup, last one in 90 six years before the avs first one. Doesn’t mean much to me and certainly not worth arguing over or using as some “gotcha” to prove a point online.

Winning the cup is everything for the players, it’s their accomplishment and no one can take that away from them ever. But as a fan it’s doesn’t mean anything. It’s doesn’t make you a better fan.

So your team wins a cup in 2022, it’s now 2052. Your team has had a run of bad luck. Getting knocked of the playoffs early for a years and then rebuilds and it doesn’t go smoothly. And it’s been a few years since you made the playoffs. Are you, as a fan still whipping and high diving that cup win in 2022 and using it as a point in arguments with other fans about why your team doesn’t suck?

I know for me in my 40s I’m not using the 90 cup win for the oilers for anything other than a historic fact. So you won it. Cool. Whats happening now?
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I have no idea what point you’re trying to make? It’s not 2052. They have 3 cups in the past 30 years, how do you know they won’t have 5 cups by 2052?

MacKinnon is not even at the age Ovechkin won his cup yet.
 
They're really good and with the way the NHL is getting 1 is pretty good.

That core that has changed with the departure of Rantanen should still be good for another few years, so there's a chance they will get back there.

But if that's underachieving then I hope once Montreal is ready to compete their core underachieves
 
Parity makes it harder to avoid early exits even when you build a good team. Almost every opponent is at least some kind of threat to win any given round, more so than in the pre cap days, and even back then at least one top seed got ambushed every year by some scrappy team, got goalied, or something. Not a lot of patsies making the playoffs.

And now, because of the cap, nearly every good team has flaws as well. Ones without amazing goaltending are particularly vulnerable.

The teams that make multiple CFs and SCFs in a several year span should be celebrated, because it is really really hard to do even with a strong roster.
 
Spawn said:
Colorado is a bit of a bizarre case. Obviously winning a cup is the ultimate goal and you can't take that away from Colorado. And it was full value for that win, that team was unreal.

But at the same time, its kind of crazy that core hasn't made it out of the 2nd round any time other than that.
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They definitely could have had more success to this point yea. But they’ve also had their captain miss literal years to injury and Nichushkin decided coke meant more than winning those years too. They are a weird case. Now they’ve willingly downgraded their ceiling by trading Rantanen.
 
MBTendy said:
Stars teams were better man, sorry but 2-3 elite players don’t make a team better overall.

There’s a reason why the Stars own the Avs. Keep telling yourself you guys had a better team though if it makes it easier to cope with.
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I'm not an Avs fan. Dallas has a better coach. That's it. There's a reason why Duchene, Benn, Pavelski, and Seguin all came back from the dead with the Stars.
 
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