EspenK
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I will probably be eviscerated for my vote but I don't think he lived up to expectations over the course of the season. Post Olympics or maybe post injury, yes but not the entire season. But next year (and hopefully in the playoffs) he continues his play of late.
Having re-read the poll I still say he didn't meet my expectations over the whole season. I do think however, he was worth what we paid him. There is a difference
Having re-read the poll I still say he didn't meet my expectations over the whole season. I do think however, he was worth what we paid him. There is a difference
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I somewhat agree. His pay is quite ridiculous, while the numbers are not. So compared to his salary, I think his play has been on the low side of "average".
Wendy Clear
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You make it sound like he got one of those 7- or 8-year deals worth $50m or more. Was he as good as last year? Nope. But I'll take him at $5.6m any day of the week.
Honestly? The numbers say .922% with 5 shutouts. Those are 10th and 3rd in the NHL respectively. Would I have projected something along the lines of maybe .925%? Probably. Obviously .930% isn't sustainable for any tender. But he was close enough. The D was pretty bad during some stretches, too.
Honestly? The numbers say .922% with 5 shutouts. Those are 10th and 3rd in the NHL respectively. Would I have projected something along the lines of maybe .925%? Probably. Obviously .930% isn't sustainable for any tender. But he was close enough. The D was pretty bad during some stretches, too.
I think I predicted something like a .924, so he's pretty close. And as far as salary goes, he is paid like he is the 6 or 7th best goalie out there, and his numbers suggest that he is at least that good. I don't know what you folks are talking about that his salary is ridiculous. It's ridiculous in the sense that all pro salaries are, but not in terms of what great goaltending costs.
5.6 million is "ridiculous" for a Vezina winner?
Also, are you a CBJ fan watching every game and making informed observations, or just a random dude looking at stats on NHL.com?
Viqsi
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I think he proved that he deserves more term on the existing contract. I still wish it was less cash, but, well, that's the goaltending market nowadays.
5.6 million is "ridiculous" for a Vezina winner?
Also, are you a CBJ fan watching every game and making informed observations, or just a random dude looking at stats on NHL.com?
I'm a fan of hockey in general, and the jackets are one of my fav teams atm.
My point is that if you watch every game, you can see he is usually good when we need him to be. He's given up some stinkers, but also comes up big most nights. He is paid like a top 10 goalie in the league, and I think he lives up to that. He is top 10 in most statistical categories.
fair enough.
I live in Europe, in a country where hockey does not exist. I don't understand how I can be a fan or one team or another. Sure some people may be attracted by marketing, may order some jerseys and become supporters of a team. I'm above such idiocy.
I like to see BJs play, they are a rising team, I like such teams.
First half no, second half yes. (yikes had that reversed, lol).
Vezina winner? Sure. But a Vezina winner for 48 games. You can't judge that the same as a full season Vezina winner. No the same, not even close. I think it's a joke we keep throwing that out there.
He's playing well now, that is all that is important. In the 1st quarter of the year he was giving up softies in Masonesque fashion. For the most part he's cleaned that up, but he still has a game here or there were he still has that tendency.
To give you an idea. Bob as 10 over last season; he's only 11 over this season. He did get that GAA down to a reasonable level for a goal tender making his kind of money. Now in the playoffs and next season he needs to earn another pay raise.
We're to the point that I think he can improve his consistency to where it needs to be to finally cement his reputation as an elite goaltender.
Vezina winner? Sure. But a Vezina winner for 48 games. You can't judge that the same as a full season Vezina winner. No the same, not even close. I think it's a joke we keep throwing that out there.
He's playing well now, that is all that is important. In the 1st quarter of the year he was giving up softies in Masonesque fashion. For the most part he's cleaned that up, but he still has a game here or there were he still has that tendency.
To give you an idea. Bob as 10 over last season; he's only 11 over this season. He did get that GAA down to a reasonable level for a goal tender making his kind of money. Now in the playoffs and next season he needs to earn another pay raise.
We're to the point that I think he can improve his consistency to where it needs to be to finally cement his reputation as an elite goaltender.
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Then blame the NHL for handing out awards last season. He won the award, so I will continue to throw that out there despite your protestations.
Did we make the playoffs? Yep. Was Bob a big part of it? Yep. Would we have made it without him? Nope. Next question
Edit: guess I'll add a bit more. He is the 10th highest paid goalie in the league right now, so the question is basically do you think Bob has played like a top 10 goalie this year. Also even combining his stats this year to last he still has the 2nd highest sv% in the league. Hes doing alright in my eyes
Edit: guess I'll add a bit more. He is the 10th highest paid goalie in the league right now, so the question is basically do you think Bob has played like a top 10 goalie this year. Also even combining his stats this year to last he still has the 2nd highest sv% in the league. Hes doing alright in my eyes
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Actually the correct answer to that is we don't know. Who would have been the replacement for Bob had we went another direction?
Had Bob suffered a season ending injury and we had went with just what is in our system? You are, most likely, right.
HockeyGuy1964
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I started telling everybody I could early last year that Bob is the real deal.
He is absolutely sound & have no reservations, barring injury, about him whatsoever.
He is absolutely sound & have no reservations, barring injury, about him whatsoever.
10th in the league in sv %
15th in GAA
No, he did not meet my expectations. Bob is a top 10 goalie, and should be in the top 10 in the relevant categories, year in year out. He has been better down the stretch, and that is very encouraging. He has been better than our goalies of past. I'm glad we have Bob, but I expect this is an overall poor season for him.
15th in GAA
No, he did not meet my expectations. Bob is a top 10 goalie, and should be in the top 10 in the relevant categories, year in year out. He has been better down the stretch, and that is very encouraging. He has been better than our goalies of past. I'm glad we have Bob, but I expect this is an overall poor season for him.
Bob got us to the playoffs for the 2nd time in team history. That is why he got paid. Worth the money IMO
They'll throw a kitchen sink at him if he doesn't stand on his head in the playoffs and they shouldn't. He has given this berth probably more effort than any other player on the team. If this team continues to develop well it is due for some deep playoff runs in the near future and Bob is one of the major reasons for it. Worth every cent of his contract.
There are always a few backups who put up .930 or so, so if you subtract them and just look at the goalies who've played for at least half of the year you get a clearer picture. And Bob is 6th among goalies in sv % who've played 40 or more games, and he could pass a couple more if he keeps playing this way in the next couple games. I hope this is a poor season for him, but its still easily worth his salary.
SuperGenius
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Nothing ridiculous about his contract at all. He's been a top goalie down the stretch in particular. Ridiculous poll, IMO.
Um, a huge contract? Bob has a two year deal that pays him less than what a Vezina trophy winner should get at market value.
Pekka Rinne is at $7 million, Hank's new deal is for $8.5 million. Bob is a steal at his current contract....the only shame is that JD and Jarmo didn't lock him up for longer like the Avs did with Varlomov. If they had shown the confidence in him they could have locked him up at a rate under $6 million....Now he's going to command a lot more. But it's well deserved.
I expected a fairly substantial falloff from last year, which is why I was glad we only gave him a two year deal. That looked to be a pretty accurate prediction pre-injury. Since then he has definitely exceeded my expectations. So, I voted that he exceeded my expectations. He is the biggest reason we are in the playoffs and well worth every penny the org pays him.
It was ridiculous when it was signed and it was certainly ridiculous the first 30 or so games this season.
I don't think there is anything unreasonable about asking if he met or exceeded your expectations.
To be clear - you are saying Bob's 2-year deal after he won the Vezina was ridiculous?
What goalies would you compare him to?
How long are we going to continue to spout of the Vezina when it was a Vezina with a massive asterisk next to it?
You will never convince me that his Vezina wasn't tarnished by the fact that he only played 48 games.
He should not be mentioned in the same breath as other Vezina winners and this season, at least until he returned from the Olympics, wasn't anything remotely close to a Vezina type season. Even with his push late in the season; he shouldn't receive consideration this season.
Look, I'm as excited as the next guy about Bob. But until he puts together another Vezina quality season and plays at that level in the playoffs; I'm not going to reference him as an elite goal tender worthy of the hardware he received.
He should not have received 5.6 million. Nothing anyone says will convince me otherwise. The start of this season justified my stance. I thought he needed to prove himself over the course of a full season. Before I even say that he should be considered for a 7 million deal, he needs a full season of elite play and would like to see solid performances in the post season (by my standards, not knee-jerk fan reactions). He hasn't earned the right to those dollars yet.
