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I'm too old for this.
I see you only read the headline, lol.That breaks down from the 60s and onward, poster clearly said before 1950.
Here's a helpful chart from the article you didn't read.
I see you only read the headline, lol.That breaks down from the 60s and onward, poster clearly said before 1950.
I see you only read the headline, lol.
Here's a helpful chart from the article you didn't read.
That reminds me when the blackhawks came back against Vancouver from 3-0. I think the return of David Bolland had a big part to do with it
Sharks really had a golden chance to win the cup if they win that seriesScores were:
6-3
3-0
4-1
5-1
NY Rangers lost to Boston. Boston was up 3-0 in the series.9 teams have been down 3-0 and forced game 7
4 of those teams won, and 5 have lost.
The 1942 Leafs did it to win the cup but their finals was only the 2nd round of hockey for them. No one has done it in the 4th round to get win 16 quite yet.
Winners who forced game 7:
2014 Kings defeat Sharks, (RND 1/4)
2010 Flyers defeat Bruins, (RND 2/4)
1975 Islanders defeat Penguins, (RND 2/4)
1942 Maple Leafs defeat Red Wings, (RND 3/3)
Forced game 7 but ultimately lost:
2011 Red Wings lost to Sharks, (RND 2/4)
2011 Blackhawks lost to Canucks, (RND 1/4)
1975 Islanders lost to Flyers, (RND 3/4)
1945 Red Wings lost to Maple Leafs, (RND 2/2)
1939 Bruins lost to Rangers, (RND 2/3)
TBD:
2024 Oilers vs Panthers, (RND 4/4)
Notes:
1939 (6 teams qualify for playoffs): Bruins had a bye in round 1.
1942 (6 teams): The 1st round was best-of-3, and the Leafs had a bye in round 1.
1945 (4 teams): Not sure why it was only 4 teams but my guess is WW2.
1975 (12 teams): 1st round was best-of-3.
2010+ (16 teams): Nothing of note as it's similar to today.
That was the only time in NHL history that there was a playoff series that one team was up 3 games to 0 and the other team wins at least the next 3 games to force a game 7 in consecutive years.Interesting how in 2010 and 2011, three separate teams forced a game 7 after being down 3-0. Fun times in the NHL.
And Chicago almost won in overtime in game 7, too.The Hawks also scored shorthanded with less than 2 minutes left to force OT in game 7 before losing.
What do you mean "all three rounds" & "all three series"?According to ChatGBT
No team in NHL history has ever come back from a 3-0 deficit in all three series of a single postseason. However, comebacks from a 3-0 series deficit have occurred four times in NHL history:
1. **1942 Toronto Maple Leafs**: Came back from 3-0 down in the Stanley Cup Final against the Detroit Red Wings to win the series 4-3.
2. **1975 New York Islanders**: Came back from 3-0 down in the quarterfinals against the Pittsburgh Penguins to win the series 4-3.
3. **2010 Philadelphia Flyers**: Came back from 3-0 down in the Eastern Conference Semifinals against the Boston Bruins to win the series 4-3.
4. **2014 Los Angeles Kings**: Came back from 3-0 down in the first round against the San Jose Sharks to win the series 4-3.
While these instances are remarkable, no team has managed to pull off this feat in all three rounds of the playoffs in a single postseason.
San Jose Sharks in 2011 came back down 3 games to zero to beat the Detroit Red wings in round 2. You said NHL history, right? not specifically to a finals? yea that one.Has any team ever came back from 0-3 deficit in NHL history?
Asinine take.This is the first time it'll happen in the SCF, and pre 1950's hockey doesn't really count as it wasn't a truly professional league at the time.
Fine, I read through the article. Despite the fact that there are countless data points on the average player not making enough to justify it as their only job being pretty well documented before 1950, I decided to humor you.I see you only read the headline, lol.
Here's a helpful chart from the article you didn't read.
This is an interesting data point. Small sample size obviously, but it goes to show how tough that 4th win can be. You'd think the team coming off 3 straight wins would have the momentum and be the favorite to win game 7 (with all the pressure on the other team), but they've lost game 7 more often than not.9 teams have been down 3-0 and forced game 7
4 of those teams won, and 5 have lost
There were a few Montreal Cup wins in there between the 1975 Islanders and those four straight Cups.So the islanders come back from 0-3 to win. Come back from 0-3 again in the very next round but lose. And then rattle off 4 straight cups?
No team even forced a game 7 in the prior 35 years leading up to 2010, but it's happened 5 times since. Definitely driven by greater parity in the league.It's funny that 5/10 comebacks from 0-3 down to 3-3, and 2/4 completed reverse sweeps (potentially 3/5) actually happened since lockout.
There is a graph in the article that shows top hockey player salaries above the median family income 1904-2020That breaks down from the 60s and onward, poster clearly said before 1950. Most players in the league couldn’t afford to play just hockey alone before then, that is just a fact. After the war was over and more money came to the game in the 50s, that changed, but the argument he made is fair.
Didn't a team come back from 3 games down is last year's NBA final?4 Times in NHL, 1 time in MLB and never in the NBA.
Players would often work jobs in the summer. Though the league was then and is now professional.Fine, I read through the article. Despite the fact that there are countless data points on the average player not making enough to justify it as their only job being pretty well documented before 1950, I decided to humor you.
The chart you posted literally is titled 'Top earning pro hockey players vs average household income' and they aren't hiding the fact that they are basing it on data from a handful of the best players at the time. Not everybody was making Gordie Howe money, in fact, most weren't. From the article
"Gordie Howe saw his salary as right winger for the Detroit Red Wings climb steadily throughout the 1940s. In his rookie year—the 1945 through 1946 season—Howe earned just $2,700 in U.S. currency. His pay would rise to $5,000 for the 1946 through 1947 season, $6,000 for the 1947 through 1948 season, $7,000 for the 1948 through 1949 season, and $8,000 for the 1949 through 1950 season. "
and also from the article
'How do these ‘30s professional hockey salaries compare to the earnings of the average American family? The average net income amount reported by the IRS for 1931 was $4,217.40, according to the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis. The $10,000 salaries for star hockey players during this time amounted to more than twice the average net income in America.'
So if Gordie freaking Howe is barely making more than twice the Average Joe, top earning professions were dunking on top earning hockey players, and your average player was most certainly working two jobs.
Games 6 and 7 were closer than those scores indicated. Game 6 was 1-1 halfway through the 3rd, and Game 7 was 2-1 into the 3rd with 2 late empty nets.I wanted to say you were wrong, but yeah, actually. Sharks were held to five goals over 4 games.
6-3
3-0
4-1
5-1
Don’t you have a radio shack nearby?What is Google and how do you use it?
The Celtics forced a game 7 in the ECF after being down 3-0 last year but they lost game 7Didn't a team come back from 3 games down is last year's NBA final?
Actually, the Sharks were up 3-0 and Detroit forced game 7, the Sharks just won and avoided infamy *whispers*for three more years*whispers*San Jose Sharks in 2011 came back down 3 games to zero to beat the Detroit Red wings in round 2. You said NHL history, right? not specifically to a finals? yea that one.
Yeah, it was weird, game 4 was decisive but game 5 was the only real spanking, but it was so bad I knew the Sharks were gonna blow it after 5 games still up 3-2 in the seriesGames 6 and 7 were closer than those scores indicated. Game 6 was 1-1 halfway through the 3rd, and Game 7 was 2-1 into the 3rd with 2 late empty nets.
The Kings were in their heads after Game 5, and then there was the Justin Williams goal in game 6 that was controversial, and at that point they deny there was nothing they could do. The Kings did hold a big territorial advantage in Game 7Sharks fan here, I hate this thread
The Celtics forced a game 7 in the ECF after being down 3-0 last year but they lost game 7
Actually, the Sharks were up 3-0 and Detroit forced game 7, the Sharks just won and avoided infamy *whispers*for three more years*whispers*
Yeah, it was weird, game 4 was decisive but game 5 was the only real spanking, but it was so bad I knew the Sharks were gonna blow it after 5 games still up 3-2 in the series
Google would have gotten you your answer.
Way off. Happened in 1942 in the Finals and it was every bit of a professional league. Adding teams doesn't make things more professional. It would be like saying Ford wasn't a professional automaker before 1950.
Yikes!
Yes, most players worked summer jobs or even side jobs throughout the year. If you want to distinguish between a time when players could dedicate their entire lives to hockey and when they needed another job to make ends meet, that's understandable. It's likely that fringe players in the 1930s and 1940s felt they had to leave the NHL to get a 'real' job, and there's nothing wrong with acknowledging that. Some people here are getting overly defensive about the semantics of the word "professional" when it was clear what the poster meant.Players would often work jobs in the summer. Though the league was then and is now professional.