Happy or Sad: Your Reaction if Tocchet Named HC?

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_Del_

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"I quit. Tear up my contract, I don't want to fulfill it anymore."
"Well, okay, but let me cut you a guaranteed check on the way out even if you decide to take a different opportunity", said no one ever.
 

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Barroway was attempting to fire Tippett with cause. The league figured out a settlement instead. Tippett was still fired. Anyone claiming otherwise is just trolling.
 

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Barroway was attempting to fire Tippett with cause. The league figured out a settlement instead. Tippett was still fired. Anyone claiming otherwise is just trolling.

I think a fairer comparison is that Tippett was "asked to resign." If you get one of those it's generally a good idea to, because if you refuse they'll try to find a way to fire you instead.
 

TheLegend

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He wasn't shown the door, he quit. The coyotes have never said they fired him. I'm fine with the coaching change. I don't care who the new coach is. I do think we will be better with Chalmers and stepan. A 1C and 1RHD are way more important than a coach. The Oilers picked up McJesus and Larson, and are way better because of it. TMac is an experienced coach but he wasn't the difference maker and Toch won't be either.

They wouldn't have paid him $10M if he quit, nor repudiated everything about him in their wish list for the new hire. I mean, really?

Show me the press release that says they fired Tip or we decided to make a move, go in another direction? They clearly traded smith and told Doan, we don't want you, but not Tip.

Cobra.... Del's correct in this case.

In the corporate world.... people who are no longer wanted within the company are often given an "out" in lieu of being directly terminated. Particularly when said person has spent a long time within the company. It allows both sides to make a clean break and publicly save face. The party leaving gets to walk away saying "it was time" and the company gives them a public "pat on the back" for their service.

Everything Barroway has done to this point follows right along with a corporate mentality. Doan even commented that his being informed he would not be offered a contract had a "corporate" feel to it.
 

Yandover

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Barroway was attempting to fire Tippett with cause. The league figured out a settlement instead. Tippett was still fired. Anyone claiming otherwise is just trolling.

Over the years I have known some people who have been fired but not as many as compared to those that have been "asked to resign" or "allowed to resign". Tippett was the latter. And it is true that if he just quit he would not have received a multi million dollar check. But you mention that they were "attempting to fire Tippett with cause". I have my own ideas as to what I would have fired him for but what exactly was the owner trying to get on him to have him fired with cause?
 

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I have my own ideas as to what I would have fired him for but what exactly was the owner trying to get on him to have him fired with cause?

Supposedly insubordination.

I think a fairer comparison is that Tippett was "asked to resign." If you get one of those it's generally a good idea to, because if you refuse they'll try to find a way to fire you instead.

I agree, but most of us aren't owed 20 million dollars. There was no upside for anyone if Tippett stayed, or if there was a protracted legal battle over having cause. So they gave him half of what he was owed and sent him on his way. Everyone took the best option available to them.

I'm mainly countering the idea that he somehow left on his own or 'quit', which he obviously didn't. That's a joke and a half. The thing about coups is that they aren't exactly stable ya know?
 

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Answer me this, with Tippett in charge, do you really think he would have gone out and replaced Doan, Smitty, Murphy, Vrbata, Playfair, etc. with Stepan, Raanta, and Hammer? No ****in' way.

He's a huge reason the Coyotes infrastructure was a hot mess in the first place.

I think Smith may have been the only question mark. Tippett always said that if there was a way to improve the team, it would be looked at. We were tied to the #3 OA going to Boston for Hamilton, so I don't see why it would be out of the realm of possibility that Stepan or other players were looked at. In fact, didn't an article state that Stepan had been asked about quite often and a deal finally was cemented this year, even though there were talks dating back a year when Tippett was still the coach.

But yes, this was the exact type of team that Tippett had talked about - adding veterans to the mix without terribly reducing our young core.
 

Jakey53

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What will make me happy is Barroway increasing payroll, hence talent, to the middle of the pack. Tocchet or whomever.

Right, and that will happen within the next two to three years when all the kids come off their ELC, unless they start to trade their players because they can not afford to keep them.
 

Jakey53

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The last 4(!) seasons, we haven't been owned by the NHL.

I know you are to young to understand, but it takes time to turn around a company that was so decimated by the NHL, and especially a company this large that requires a certain skill set that most people don't have. The team was/is heading in the right direction.
 

Jakey53

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I think Smith may have been the only question mark. Tippett always said that if there was a way to improve the team, it would be looked at. We were tied to the #3 OA going to Boston for Hamilton, so I don't see why it would be out of the realm of possibility that Stepan or other players were looked at. In fact, didn't an article state that Stepan had been asked about quite often and a deal finally was cemented this year, even though there were talks dating back a year when Tippett was still the coach.

But yes, this was the exact type of team that Tippett had talked about - adding veterans to the mix without terribly reducing our young core.

I agree.
 

cobra427

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Cobra.... Del's correct in this case.

In the corporate world.... people who are no longer wanted within the company are often given an "out" in lieu of being directly terminated. Particularly when said person has spent a long time within the company. It allows both sides to make a clean break and publicly save face. The party leaving gets to walk away saying "it was time" and the company gives them a public "pat on the back" for their service.

Everything Barroway has done to this point follows right along with a corporate mentality. Doan even commented that his being informed he would not be offered a contract had a "corporate" feel to it.

A parting of the ways is different then being fired. If you listened to Chayka's comments, he didn't say Tip was fired and also said to the effect that we had hoped Tip would still be the coach. I can't recall his exact comments but it was an interview. Chayka didn't say parting of ways, different direction, etc...

Chayka was kind of backing Tip just a little. Maybe Smith being traded and the way they handled Doan was enough for Tip to know he wasn't going to have say so over the roster any longer. Maybe Tip wanted out and came to Barroway saying I want to move on.

The insubordination or terminating a contract for cause is next to impossible to win as an employer, that just wasn't a factor. I am sure we will hear the real story over time, so we'll see.
 

KG

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Can we please for the love of God stop talking about Dave tippet now
 

Bonsai Tree

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Honestly, it doesn't make a whit of difference to me which coach they choose, as long as they give him the tools to succeed. As noted earlier, a mid-course correction is not that hard to do. Phil Jackson replaced Doug Collins and took essentially the same squad to the NBA championship.

We will become a serious contender if Keller or Domi exceeds their high expectation to become elite. Along with that we will need Duclair, Perlini and Fisher to become very good top 6 forwards.
 
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SniperHF

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Can we please for the love of God stop talking about Dave tippet now

My theory of Tippett talk begetting more Tippett talk still holds true 100% :banana:. It all started just by someone saying how glad he was we can talk about someone else and BAM.

We should have a virtual dollar jar for anyone who types his name out :snide:

Anywho this thread is basically the same as the other one now and the poll is about done.
 
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