Value of: Hansen for Filppula
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We have three centers fighting for two top six center spots as it is, and we still have guys like Granlund and potentially Gaunce and some of the younger recruits, all fighting for positions, trading someone like Hansen for another isn't something I'm high on.
I'd rather spend the money on another proven top six winger, Hudler or through a trade, to go with Eriksson and Daniel, maybe to help Virtanen and Baertschi by taking the pressure off.
I'd rather spend the money on another proven top six winger, Hudler or through a trade, to go with Eriksson and Daniel, maybe to help Virtanen and Baertschi by taking the pressure off.
Tampa can buy Filppula out and save more money without losing a first and a prospect. In fact Hansen's buyout is the same price as Filppula's so there is absolutely no reason for Tampa to make this deal.
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Hughes4Calder
Hansen's buyout is half of what Filpulla's would be, 1.66 to 833k. Even then it's not worth it to add a pick and prospect for that less than 1mil in savings. Hansen isn't an upgrade either for next year as I'd rather keep Filpulla around for another cup run and figure out what to do with him before the expansion draft.
1) Hasn't the buyout deadline for the 2016-17 season already passed? -- It was June 30th, 2016 I believe.
2) I believe that the objective of acquiring Jannik Hansen for Valtteri Filppula + would be to clear 2.5mill off the cap (while acquiring a player that'll produce similar numbers); Tampa Bay's cap space would go from 6.5mill to 9mill, which they'll likely need to re-sign Nikita Kucherov and to fill out the roster.
Not saying it's worth it for either side, but I'm pretty sure TB has to do something to get cap compliant after the Kucherov signing/filling out the roster. Also, it's been rumored that the Canucks are looking to sign Jiri Hudler which would pretty much eat their remaining cap space; so I highly doubt something like this would work if he signs.
garmonbozia
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1.) Yes. The buyout discussion is only about after the 16/17 season. If the Lightning don't trade Filppula they likely buy him out after the season to not have to protect him in the expansion draft knowing they need that cap space to help with raises to Johnson, Palat, and Drouin anyway.
2.) Clearing 2.5 million off the cap this offseason is not a priority. Certainly not one worth a premium of a 1st and Spencer. Clearing the entirety of Filppula's contract isn't even worth that. Callahan on IR to start the season + a litle bit of roster dancing probably squeezes all relevant parts in this offseason. Might need to make a minor deal when Cally comes back.
Yzerman might attach assets to move higher salaried players out at some point over the next year. Those assets likely won't be 1st round picks or defensive prospects. He'll need those to replenish the D if financially forced to move on from Garrison, Coburn, Stralman, and/or Sustr over the next few years to accommodate all the money sunk in to the forwards locked in to longer term deals.
This. After next season Filppula will probably be bought out if he can't somehow be traded in order to clear up cap space to resign our young core forwards. Hansen saves $2.5M in salary compared with Filppula but their buyouts are the same and using Filppula's saves us more money. So swapping Filppula for Hansen saves us a little money this season but effectively none next season which is when we really need it.
I actually would give up a first to clear Filppula's entire contract, but not a defensive prospect and certainly not to take back additional salary.
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clunk
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Hansen is a VERY good player. Arguably the best 3rd liner in the league. It would take a mid-late 1st+ a B prospect imo. He's too important. I don't like Filp's contract.
You people talk like Fillpula is bad. Even his contract isn't bad based on his play, just Tampa needs salary cap space.
LTIR Trickery
Plz stop pucks
This isn't Hossas contract, its Filppula.I don't think there's a deal to be made b/w the two teams: the Canucks are trying to sign a free agent forward and likely won't have cap space, and the Lightning could just trade Ben Bishop w/o packaging a pick & prospect. For the record though, some don't realize that Jannik Hansen is not a buyout candidate.
zar
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Reading the start I was thinking the opposite. It feels like Hansen is being undervalued here. There was talk on the Canucks boards of wanting a 1st for Hansen alone.
Helping you out with your cap space situation would amount to the add in Spencer I guess.
I don't think this would be a good move for either team.
Helping you out with your cap space situation would amount to the add in Spencer I guess.
I don't think this would be a good move for either team.
ginner classic
Dammit Jim!
Hansen is a better player right now by far
Hansen's salary is half of Filppula's
Hansen is 2 years younger
Hansen does not have a NMC requiring protection
Hansen would not nees to be bought out after this season, he could easily be traded
Hansen was a plus 16 on a team with a - 52 goal differential. Filppula was a -6 on a team with a +26 goal differential
Filppula probably would not be selected on waivers. Hansen would likely garner a very high 2nd rounder to later first.
It's not only a cap dump, a trade for a younger player, but it's also an improvement in quality.
Why would Vancouver do this? It's a drop in quality for a player that can still contribute which also provides better balance for the lineup. Filppula can play the wing as well. Picking up a good draft pick and a D prospect that projects as a good third pairing D is the compensation.
Sedin Sedin Eriksson
Filppula Sutter Burrows
Baertschi Horvat Virtanen
Gaunce Granlund Etem
Dorsett Rodin
Hansen's salary is half of Filppula's
Hansen is 2 years younger
Hansen does not have a NMC requiring protection
Hansen would not nees to be bought out after this season, he could easily be traded
Hansen was a plus 16 on a team with a - 52 goal differential. Filppula was a -6 on a team with a +26 goal differential
Filppula probably would not be selected on waivers. Hansen would likely garner a very high 2nd rounder to later first.
It's not only a cap dump, a trade for a younger player, but it's also an improvement in quality.
Why would Vancouver do this? It's a drop in quality for a player that can still contribute which also provides better balance for the lineup. Filppula can play the wing as well. Picking up a good draft pick and a D prospect that projects as a good third pairing D is the compensation.
Sedin Sedin Eriksson
Filppula Sutter Burrows
Baertschi Horvat Virtanen
Gaunce Granlund Etem
Dorsett Rodin
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ginner classic
Dammit Jim!
PetterssonSimp
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I'd rather a PTO player than Filpulla and trying to catch lightening in a bottle again with his offence.
Jannik Hansen is a good if not great player for the Canucks, especially when the ownership wants some playoff revenue, he'll probably split time between the Sutter and Sedin line depending on Eriksson's chemistry.
Jannik Hansen is a good if not great player for the Canucks, especially when the ownership wants some playoff revenue, he'll probably split time between the Sutter and Sedin line depending on Eriksson's chemistry.
The Lightning arent giving away their first to get rid of Filppula. We will keep him for now.
ginner classic
Dammit Jim!
So with Nesterov and Kucherov not signed and three roster spots to fill....+ Palat and TJ unsigned next year + Filppula NMC in an expansion year....
What other magic tricks would you propose?
Iceman
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Do you honestly believe Yzerman would throw in a 1st and a B prospect to trade away a good player for absolutely nothing because of salary cap issues?
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CupsOverCash
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Tampa bay would trade him to get rid of cap space.
Filppula + 1st for 2nd round pick then I think TB would do it.
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