Hall Or Nash?

[DitchMarner]

Taylor Hall:

Hart Trophy in 2018


Rick Nash:

Rocket Richard Trophy in 2004

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[ESH]

Nash never reached the heights that Hall did, but he was certainly a more consistent scorer year to year, while also being a good PKer and reliable defensive winger.

 

[biturbo19]

Nash at his peak was the better player. I think there's an argument that Hall may have had the "better career". Part of it comes down whether you value one of the "weakest" Hart wins over a Rocket Richard in a pretty tough field. Typically, i'd lean Hart > Rocket. But in this case, i think it's more debatable.

The other aspect is that i think Nash was the bigger, better, more responsible player...and has some bigger international accolades to his name, particularly as a standout on a Gold Medal Olympic team. He was also more consistent throughout, while playing on some bad teams without a lot of help most of the time through his prime.

However, there's also the argument that Hall played more "meaningful" NHL games. Though to me, that's really more of a "team argument" rather than anything to do with the player.



So on balance, i go with Rick Nash. But i can at least see the argument for why someone might plausibly go with Taylor Hall.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Nash better overall, Hall had that one fluke season that was better than any Nash has had

 

[DitchMarner]

Nash at his peak was the better player. I think there's an argument that Hall may have had the "better career". Part of it comes down whether you value one of the "weakest" Hart wins over a Rocket Richard in a pretty tough field. Typically, i'd lean Hart > Rocket. But in this case, i think it's more debatable.

That's an interesting take. I generally think of Nash's Rocket Richard win (that he shared with Kovalchuk and Iginla) as a weak one. In fact, in that recent Rocket Richard winners tournament, I specifically called it weak.

I don't know... did he really beat great competition? Ovechkin and Stamkos weren't in the League yet, and he tied Iginla and Kovalchuk. A goal total of 41 also isn't that impressive, although '04 is one of the lowest scoring seasons of all-time.

In contrast, I think Hall's Hart win is quite solid. That season is definitely an outlier in his career, but even if you think he shouldn't have won the Hart, I do think it's better than any season Nash had. People rave about MacKinnon's 2018 season, but he only had four more assists than Hall (with the same number of goals) playing with better offensive players.

So I think Hall has the best single season between them (and maybe his best two or three seasons are better than Nash's best two or three), but Nash was more consistent in terms of productivity year-to-year during his prime and a better goal scorer. They both dropped off offensively at age 31.

Playoff play is a weak point for Nash, but Hall doesn't exactly have a legendary playoff career himself.

 

[McPoyle]

Hall probably had the best single season between the two. But I think Nash was the better overall player with the better overall career.

 

[dirtydanglez]

near equal as players but nash the better career.

 

[Ezpz]

Great tag team. Hall was more charismatic and a better wrestler but Nash was taller and more successful.

Oh wrong forum. Nash career Hall peak.

 

[Voight]

Hall hasn't played that many playoff games, but Nash is one of the worst playoff performers ins recent history (relative to regular season production)

 

[Craig Button]

Hall or Nash?

the only correct answer is

Hall & Oates Baby!!!

 

[biturbo19]

That's an interesting take. I generally think of Nash's Rocket Richard win (that he shared with Kovalchuk and Iginla) as a weak one. In fact, in that recent Rocket Richard winners tournament, I specifically called it weak.

I don't know... did he really beat great competition? Ovechkin and Stamkos weren't in the League yet, and he tied Iginla and Kovalchuk. A goal total of 41 also isn't that impressive, although '04 is one of the lowest scoring seasons of all-time.

In contrast, I think Hall's Hart win is quite solid. That season is definitely an outlier in his career, but even if you think he shouldn't have won the Hart, I do think it's better than any season Nash had. People rave about MacKinnon's 2018 season, but he only had four more assists than Hall (with the same number of goals) playing with better offensive players.

So I think Hall has the best single season between them (and maybe his best two or three seasons are better than Nash's best two or three), but Nash was more consistent in terms of productivity year-to-year during his prime and a better goal scorer. They both dropped off offensively at age 31.

Playoff play is a weak point for Nash, but Hall doesn't exactly have a legendary playoff career himself.

I don't really view guys like Kovy and Iggy as "weak competition", personally. One guy is a HoF goal-scorer and the other would be too, if he hadn't dabbled in changing leagues and all sorts of weird stuff like that, and played most of his prime career (similarly to Nash) without that good team or real high-end Center.

But as much as i discount that Hall Hart season as a weak one...it is probably still the single best season between the two. I don't know if that's enough to rise to the threshold of "better player" here though.

Hall hasn't played that many playoff games, but Nash is one of the worst playoff performers ins recent history (relative to regular season production)

This is such a skewball distorted impression. Nash didn't even get to play a playoff game until he was basically exiting his prime. Most of them were played when he was geriatric and in clear decline.

It's not a positive mark for him obviously, but it's hard to hold a complete and utter lack of team success through almost the entirety of his prime against him, individually.



I think the more important counter to that is...Nash was part of arguably the best line on a Gold Medal winning Team Canada at the Olympics. If he'd had more opportunity to play in those meaningful games when he was a more meaningful player in the NHL playoffs, i think we'd see a very different story.

 

[Shark Finn]

Hall or Nash?

the only correct answer is

Hall & Oates Baby!!!

Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young, please.

 

[895]

Rick Nash is one of the most overrated players ever.

 

[DFC]

I preferred Razor Ramone and Deisel.

 

[Goptor]

The thing about Hall's MVP season is that the first half was not anything special. He then went off and had one of, if not the best stretch of play of that era to finish the season. Nash doesn't come close to the level that Hall was at for those 40 or so games and Nash was never able to will his team to the playoffs the way Hall was able to do. I just don't understand how anyone could say Nash had the better peak?

 

[Machinehead]

Nash was the better player but I would think the guy with the Hart had a better career if we're going on resume.

 

[Voight]

I don't really view guys like Kovy and Iggy as "weak competition", personally. One guy is a HoF goal-scorer and the other would be too, if he hadn't dabbled in changing leagues and all sorts of weird stuff like that, and played most of his prime career (similarly to Nash) without that good team or real high-end Center.

But as much as i discount that Hall Hart season as a weak one...it is probably still the single best season between the two. I don't know if that's enough to rise to the threshold of "better player" here though.




This is such a skewball distorted impression. Nash didn't even get to play a playoff game until he was basically exiting his prime. Most of them were played when he was geriatric and in clear decline.

It's not a positive mark for him obviously, but it's hard to hold a complete and utter lack of team success through almost the entirety of his prime against him, individually.



I think the more important counter to that is...Nash was part of arguably the best line on a Gold Medal winning Team Canada at the Olympics. If he'd had more opportunity to play in those meaningful games when he was a more meaningful player in the NHL playoffs, i think we'd see a very different story.

No it isn't. 24 years old isn't an age where guys are exiting their prime. He also played the majority of his playoff games before he was 31. 46 points in 89 playoff games is awful no matter how you put it.

Nahs may have been on that line but he was a passenger and not the straw that stirred the drink. Hence why in 2014 he a single point when he was no longer on Crosby's line.

 

[jigglysquishy]

Scott Hall was the better performer, character, promo, and had the better look.

I was never a Kevin Nash fan.

 

[JohanFranzenstein]

Nash

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In all seriousness, Rick Nash would've been a consistent 40-50 goal scorer on any other team. He gets my vote.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Nash over their career , hall peak , voted nash

The thing about Hall's MVP season is that the first half was not anything special. He then went off and had one of, if not the best stretch of play of that era to finish the season. Nash doesn't come close to the level that Hall was at for those 40 or so games and Nash was never able to will his team to the playoffs the way Hall was able to do. I just don't understand how anyone could say Nash had the better peak?

There's no option for Hall better peak Nash better career or anything like that which is probably why nash is running away with it so much

 

[biturbo19]

No it isn't. 24 years old isn't an age where guys are exiting their prime. He also played the majority of his playoff games before he was 31. 46 points in 89 playoff games is awful no matter how you put it.

Nahs may have been on that line but he was a passenger and not the straw that stirred the drink. Hence why in 2014 he a single point when he was no longer on Crosby's line.

What the heck are you talking about? Rick Nash played like...4 playoff games before he was ~28-29.

That's late prime for most forwards. That's "danger area" for UFA signings age because they might start to fall off with age soon. Anything north of 30 is definitively the wrong side of their career and he was awfully close before he even got a chance to play those playoff games.

 

[Machinehead]

Scott Hall was the better performer, character, promo, and had the better look.

I was never a Kevin Nash fan.

I'll go further.

Kevin Nash made millions of dollars off of three immensely talented individuals without whom, he would be a retired factory worker.

 

[Regal]

I'll go further.

Kevin Nash made millions of dollars off of three immensely talented individuals without whom, he would be a retired factory worker.

And he wouldn’t even have that if he was Scott Hall’s size.

 

[Evergreen]

Hall had that one season that was probably a bit higher than Nash’s peak, but overall Nash was the better player. He really carried that Columbus team for several years and was one of the best goal scorers in the league for quite some time.