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The compete level is much higher league wide he'd be phased out . Same with kovalev
...Who had his best season only 10 years ago.
The compete level is much higher league wide he'd be phased out . Same with kovalev
...Not to mention, to vote for him for the Hart in 1992-93, a voter pretty much had to vote for two Buffalo Sabres... When he only had three votes.
That would've made no sense whatsoever. None. It's not like the Sabres finished the year with 120 pts or something like that, and it's not like there was remotely a case for Mogilny over.. say, Doug Gilmour. Who wasn't even the best non-Lafontaine skater that season!
What do you mean by a "floater"?
his career numbers are over a POINT A GAME... 1000+ Points in under 1000 Games prove’s he did it in his long PRO Career.
You realize how era-dependant that is?
You realize how era-dependant that is?
It’s easy to blame the “ERA” debate, so I guess hockey is better today than ever right??
That's exactly my opinion, which is why I spend my spare time on a board dedicated to the history of hockey...
No, era consideration is a must - not because one era was better than the other, but because the level of scoring differs significantly from era to era. For example, the O6 era was a much lower scoring era than the 1980s. Which means absolute scoring numbers don't tell us a lot about a player's rank as a scorer among his peers, let alone in history. Mogilny scoring X goals (or points) in Y games might sound nice, but the question is: where does that actually put him among his contemporaries?
Do you think MOGILNY deserves to be in HOF?
What didn’t he do, I would like to hear yer opinion on him
Aside from a Byng he never won any individual awards.
He never came close to leading the nhl in scoring.
He doesn't have great playoff numbers for a player of his caliber.
He was known to not preform as well when not in contract years.
No offense to the guy, he was a great player but no way should he be in the HHOF.
But I can also name 40+ other players
Do you think MOGILNY deserves to be in HOF?
What didn’t he do, I would like to hear yer opinion on him
There's seems to be a double standard in place. Cam Neely or Pavel Bure get sympathy, for lack of a better word, for being injured a lot of the time but for Mogilny that counts as a negative? While we're on the subject, Neely avoided the DPE altogether and played his entire career in a high scoring era but had less points/game than Alex who played through the heart of the dead puck. And Mogilny played like 300 more games and has a Cup. I don't want to make this a Mogilny vs. Neely thread but most people don't question Neely's spot in the HHOF but it seems Alex is more qualified.There's no one thing that gets anybody in or keeps them out.
Two notables against Mogilny's induction, IMO are:
1) Due to injury, lockout and ineffectiveness... he failed to crack the 50 point mark in nearly half of his seasons (7/16). That's a shockingly high number for somebody who wasn't dominant.
2) His playoff numbers are pretty bad for a player of his caliber.
Both of those points look worse because he played such a significant portion of his career in a vry high scoring era (1/3 of it).
Aside from a Byng he never won any individual awards.
He never came close to leading the nhl in scoring.
He doesn't have great playoff numbers for a player of his caliber.
He was known to not preform as well when not in contract years.
No offense to the guy, he was a great player but no way should he be in the HHOF.
There are plenty of guys in the HHOF that don't have any individual awards.
Yep. That 93 season seems mind-blowing...until you take a look at what everyone else was doing that season and realize a half-dozen guys had even bigger years (including another Sabre who was correctly considered to be better than AM).
Are these guys HHOF players? Nicholls was better then Mogilny and he's not in, why don't you make a thread about him instead?
I laugh when I see people say Oh Mogilny was only a 2nd team all star twice and only led the nhl in goals once, you look at CAREER, Its NOT Hall of PEAK. MOGILNY should be in the HOF, I can make about a 100 Players he was way better than (SKILL/STATS WISE).
He won Stanley cup, scored 50+ goals many times, Scored 76 Goals one season and his career numbers are over a POINT A GAME. Yes he belongs, If Bure, Yakushev, Shutt, Boivin, Laprade, Armstrong, Gillies etc etc are IN the HOF then why not him. I have HUNDREDS of Games on VHS/DVD-r and have watched them over n over and even though he wasn’t the most vocal and likeable guy its what you do ON THE ICE that counts!!!
1000+ Points in under 1000 Games prove’s he did it in his long PRO Career.
In 1988-89 Bernie Nicholls was 4th in scoring with 150 points (70 goals).
In 1981-82 Denis Maruk was 4th in scoring with 136 points (60 goals).
Are these guys HHOF players? Nicholls was better then Mogilny and he's not in, why don't you make a thread about him instead?
Mogilny was not a one-hit wonder.