Half-Season Awards: Frank J. Selke

[Coffee]

Sidney Crosby is leading all forwards in 5v5 high danger scoring chances against (161). The 2nd worst defensive forward in the entire NHL has 142.

Player Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick

Crosby is also on pace for the absolute worst even strength goals against season of the past 20 years:

NHL Stats

Crosby has 52 ESGA in 42 games played. That is on pace for 101.5 ESGA this season. The worst season from any forward going back to 2005-2006 is 97:

NHL Stats

Crosby also does not kill penalties (4 seconds per game but the entirety of that is him hopping over the boards after the real penalty killers get the final clear, or empty net situations).

The war is over, Midnight, the war is over

 

[tmg]

This is a tough award to win. The player literally has to be on the radar for a couple of seasons before they are even considered. So a player like Hischer might be talked about this season but has next to no chance of winning it. If he plays like this for a couple more seasons then he can win it.

Hischier finished second to Bergeron in Selke balloting two years ago. He’s already clearly on the voters’ radar.

 

[Midnight Judges]

Crosby, Tuch, Trocheck have no business being on this list. Kopitar for me.

Tuch is 2nd in blocked shots, 6th in takeaways, and is tied for 16th in PK TOI/G amongst forwards in the league.

Trocheck 15th in BLK, 5th in TA, and tied for 19th in PK TOI/G

And Crosby is listed here because....he's 185th in blocked shots and 290th in PK TOI/gp in addition to having arguably the absolute worst defensive statistics among all forwards?

 

[Nocashstyle]

This is a tough award to win. The player literally has to be on the radar for a couple of seasons before they are even considered. So a player like Hischer might be talked about this season but has next to no chance of winning it. If he plays like this for a couple more seasons then he can win it.

Barkov is a near perfect player. I’d put my money on Barkov

You’re not wrong. Same thing with the Norris. Warranted or not, players kind of need to “put in their time” before winning these. But as a poster said earlier, Hischier did finish 2nd two seasons ago. So he’s definitely on everyone’s radar.

I won’t pick a winner, but right now I think Kopitar, Barkov, and Hischier as the finalists.

 

[amnesiac]

And Crosby is listed here because....he's 185th in blocked shots and 290th in PK TOI/gp in addition to having arguably the absolute worst defensive statistics among all forwards?

Holy shit, man. Give it a rest. He was 9th in Selke voting last year, had a few 1st place votes. I threw him in there.

 

[I am not exposed]

And Crosby is listed here because....he's 185th in blocked shots and 290th in PK TOI/gp in addition to having arguably the absolute worst defensive statistics among all forwards?

Remember in the playoffs last season commentators going on about how Sid should be in the top 3 for selke. They will probably do it again this year. He is having a very good season offensively. Defensively, nowhere close to him being mentioned again for this award.

 

[Felidae]

Yeah I'm not sure Barkov wins, if sorely for the fact that he's missed quite a few games.

His defensive stats I assume don't look good as last year either, since the team has a significantly worse GA this year.

 

[ccman68]

Reinhart didn't miss a beat when Barkov was injured. Feels like they've been giving the Selkes to the wrong guy on that team.

 

[Dr John Carlson]

Pierre-Luc Dubois ought to get some fringe support by season's end. Has been neutralizing opposing teams' 1C all season long.

Held Nate Dogg MacKinnon to 0 points in 2 games vs the Caps, and in one of those games held him to 0 shots on goal, something that only happens about once or twice a season.

 

[Felidae]

Reinhart didn't miss a beat when Barkov was injured.

Reinhart is not a product of Barkov, never has been. His first year here is his 2nd highest point total of his career, and he wasn't on Barkov's line.

And as you said, his production didn't drop much for the short stretches Barkov missed time.

That being said...

Feels like they've been giving the Selkes to the wrong guy on that team.

This is a weird thing to say considering Barkov has been a selke contender long before Reinhart joined the team.

 

[AvroArrow]

Given the fact that I almost exclusively only watch Leafs games now, Marner ainec.

 

[ijuka]

Looking at GameScores and defensive impacts by players who have at least a point per game, #1 is Sam Reinhart, #2 is Alexander Barkov, and #3 is Brandon Hagel.

Considering that Sam Reinhart is #1 in defensive impact by a pretty clear margin, and that his overall impact is #3 overall only behind Draisaitl and Kaprizov(even ahead of McDavid), then I'd say that Sam Reinhart is probably doing pretty well for this award.

I see that you don't even have Hagel listed, which is curious since even if you don't care for GameScore, he's doing well in everything that Selke would be concerned with.

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

Despite having 36 ES points, Marner is a +2. Not sure how he's even in the discussion for this. Selke winners don't produce -6 in a single game.

 

[Faceboner]

Eichel he has been a monster all over the ice

 

[amnesiac]

Despite having 36 ES points, Marner is a +2. Not sure how he's even in the discussion for this. Selke winners don't produce -6 in a single game.

leads the league in takeaways amongst forwards with 34 (next best has 30 then 26), and is 15th in PK TOI/G all while being tied for 4th in NHL scoring

looking at a single game and a stat as subjective as +/- to evaluate player's defensive ability over 3 months is probably not the best way to go

Barkov is a +3 and several +/- leaders dont even play on PK (Drai, Marchenko, Kaprizov)... its become as useless an individual statistic as pitcher Wins in baseball

 

[Mick Riddleton]

Markov or Kopitar.

Despite having 36 ES points, Marner is a +2. Not sure how he's even in the discussion for this. Selke winners don't produce -6 in a single game.

Maybe Staal who schooled the Leafs yet again this week, two of their guys on this list were a combined minus 12.

 

[Regal]

leads the league in takeaways amongst forwards with 34 (next best has 30 then 26), and is 15th in PK TOI/G all while being tied for 4th in NHL scoring

looking at a single game and a stat as subjective as +/- to evaluate player's defensive ability over 3 months is probably not the best way to go

Barkov is a +3 and several +/- leaders dont even play on PK (Drai, Marchenko, Kaprizov)... its become as useless an individual statistic as pitcher Wins in baseball

I think the poster was just suggesting Marner has been scored on too much to be considered. He’s been on the ice for the 30th most goals against 5v5 among forwards, and out of 189 forwards with 500+ 5v5 minutes, he’s 137th in GA/60. Plus minus isn’t great because it includes offense and defense, plus empty net goals, etc, but Marner’s 5v5 plus minus isn’t overly great because he’s given up a fair number of goals. Part of that might be puck luck, but his expected numbers aren’t overly strong either.

With someone like Barkov, he’s giving up a lot less at 5v5 (1.87 GA/60 vs 2.75 GA/60), and has a much stronger 5v5 GF% (61% vs 54%). His plus minus is better than Marner’s 5v5 (8 to 5) but is weaker in part because his GF aren’t as strong, and because of minuses from other situations