Proposal: Hagens Schaefer Misa NYI SJS CHI

[Golden_Jet]

Would Shark fans be willing to trade Dickinson ?

Probably for an overpay, otherwise no.

 

[matt trick]

This is why Islanders can't afford to get cute / greedy if they decide they want to trade down for Hagens. Trade down to 3 and draft him. If you trade down to 4, it's possible for Nashville, Philly, Boston etc to trade up to 3 and steal Hagens with Islanders sitting there with their d__k in their hands on the clock to draft at 4.

This is the unique scenario where I could see a NBA-style post pick trade. Say they trade down to #2 (because they like Schaefer/Misa/Hagens equally and/or like the value of what the sharks offer). You then can wait and flip Misa to Chicago or Utah for #4 once Hagens is confirmed on the table.

It’s ultimately pretty unrealistic, but if you were trading down to 4 I don’t think you can risk not getting your guy. Utah might say we’ll do Butt+Hagens for Misa provided Chicago passes on him/doesn’t facilitate a trade up.

Would Shark fans be willing to trade Dickinson ?

Aside from straight up, no. Even then, it's possible Grier prefers Dickinson. I don't think so, but Dickinson is probably a top 3-5 defense prospect in the league. You can't give up a top 3 center prospect (Misa) and a top 5 d prospect for Schaefer.

 

[WSS11]

Would Shark fans be willing to trade Dickinson ?

No

 

[Thrasymachus]

No

I don't know if there is a way to make it work in that case. Darche has said he would only move for an overpay.

 

[Fatass]

I don't know if there is a way to make it work in that case. Darche has said he would only move for an overpay.

Darche is an idiot if he trades away the chance to draft Schaefer. D men with Schaefer’s ceiling are very hard to get. If Schaefer reaches his ceiling, have the islanders had a guy that good since Potvin?

 

[boredmale]

I don't know if there is a way to make it work in that case. Darche has said he would only move for an overpay.

To me the perfect scenario would be getting Oilers and Florida 2026 first rounders from San Jose and Chicago(SJ takes schaefer, Chi Misa we get Hagens). That would give us 4 first rounders next year which gives us great trade capital

 

[Thrasymachus]

Darche is an idiot if he trades away the chance to draft Schaefer. D men with Schaefer’s ceiling are very hard to get. If Schaefer reaches his ceiling, have the islanders had a guy that good since Potvin?

Would he still be an idiot if he trades Schaefer for Dickinson and Misa?

As an isles fan I would be comfortable with that. But as many Sharks fans have pointed out, that is a trade they dont want to make.

So I agree with you, aside from scenarios where we get a massive haul.

 

[matt trick]

I don't know if there is a way to make it work in that case. Darche has said he would only move for an overpay.

You'd have to build a trade around one of 1st 2025, unprotected 1st 2026, Dickinson, Askarov, Eklund, or Smith (doubt Grier would do it), not two.

Sharks can add valuable pieces to #2 overall, but it won't be another of the above. Maybe bottom 3-8 protected 2026 first (but the chance of it being retained is likely too high to have value to NYI).

I'd be willing to do something around Musty, Bystedt, EDM 1st, DAL 1st, SJ 2nds, Ott/COL 2nds, and maybe Muk or Cherny (with extreme reluctance), but Misa for Schaefer is quite close on its own.

Nothing wrong with NYI saying the only thing that blows their socks off is two of those assets, but I'd heavily decline. I'd probably decline Cherny+Misa as well, but I'd think about it.

 

[WSS11]

I don't know if there is a way to make it work in that case. Darche has said he would only move for an overpay.

He did but the price for SJ where NYI is only trading one spot down will be much less than for any other team. It’s Schaefer-Misa———————-Martone/Desnoyer/Hagens/Frondell. Huge difference trading down for Misa rather than those other four. If the price is something like 2OA + 30OA+OTT 2nd rounder then I’d do it. Trading Dickinson+ Misa for Schaefer isn’t going to happen.

 

[Fatass]

Would he still be an idiot if he trades Schaefer for Dickinson and Misa?

As an isles fan I would be comfortable with that. But as many Sharks fans have pointed out, that is a trade they dont want to make.

So I agree with you, aside from scenarios where we get a massive haul.

Yes, he’s still an idiot. Trading away (potentially) the next Potvin for two very good, but clearly lower ceiling players is not a smart move. Schaefer’s ceiling is too high to pass on.

 

[Grinner]

I don't know if there is a way to make it work in that case. Darche has said he would only move for an overpay.

Thats standard GM rhetoric. Grier said basically the same thing just prior to the drawing.

 

[Patty Ice]

Would Shark fans be willing to trade Dickinson ?

Oh hell naw. Maybe if Dobson gets involved.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Would Shark fans be willing to trade Dickinson ?

I’d be willing to but the Islanders would need to add something at that point. I think a lot of this is posturing. Darche probably won’t pass up the pick and make it Schaefer. The Hagens stuff isn’t really a factor here. I don’t think any team can really give the Isles the kind of deal to settle elsewhere.

 

[aircobra]

Would Shark fans be willing to trade Dickinson ?

In a separate trade? Probably not. With the #2 pick to move up to #1? No effin way.

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

Well, what can the Sharks offer if not Dickinson? Misa is nice, but Schaefer is by far in a tier by himself with an elite level ceiling.

A late first round pick and a second round pick ain't going to cut it. Chances of either of those picks making the NHL (let alone being an impact NHL player) is low.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Well, what can the Sharks offer if not Dickinson? Misa is nice, but Schaefer is by far in a tier by himself with an elite level ceiling.

A late first round pick and a second round pick ain't going to cut it. Chances of either of those picks making the NHL (let alone being an impact NHL player) is low.

If he is in his own tier why trade down?

 

[WSS11]

Well, what can the Sharks offer if not Dickinson? Misa is nice, but Schaefer is by far in a tier by himself with an elite level ceiling.

A late first round pick and a second round pick ain't going to cut it. Chances of either of those picks making the NHL (let alone being an impact NHL player) is low.

Listen, most scouts put Schaefer at the top and rightfully so but let’s not act like this is last years draft where it was Celebrini and then everybody else.. it’s not. I wouldn’t blame the Isles for just holding onto the pick and selecting Schaefer but the gap between Misa and Schaefer isn’t Dickinson. The 30th and 33rd + a B prospect is probably the max the Sharks would offer to move up a spot. If not, then they just grab Misa.

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

Listen, most scouts put Schaefer at the top and rightfully so but let’s not act like this is last years draft where it was Celebrini and then everybody else.. it’s not. I wouldn’t blame the Isles for just holding onto the pick and selecting Schaefer but the gap between Misa and Schaefer isn’t Dickinson. The 30th and 33rd + a B prospect is probably the max the Sharks would offer to move up a spot. If not, then they just grab Misa.

Can you find one halfway legit media talking head who doesn't have Schaefer as #1? Just one.

No? Okay, that should provide enough evidence that Schaefer is in a class of his own.

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

If he is in his own tier why trade down?

It might make sense from an asset management PoV depending on the offers.

Schaefer is in his own tier when ranking the picks by themselves, but Misa/Hagens with other assets might be the smarter move.

 

[matt trick]

Interesting comments from Darche (is there an english interview?) where he references Dobson, Romanov, Horvat, and Barzal- but not Lee, Pulock as part of the core. Imagine that's what Islanders fans want to hear.

 

[MikeyMike01]

I think Mayfield might actually get some interest on the trade market(as in give us him for free or something minor to take his contract). A lot of teams are desperate for RHD, even bottom pairing guys who add a lil muscle

Engvall is the worst of the bunch when it comes to contracts simply because of term, despite the fact his caphit it lower than Duclair and I would argue he was more useful this year then Duclair but some team might be will to take on Duclair's 3 year deal in hopes he can be a 50+ point player

Now if I had to assign draft pick value for the negative value they have

Duclair, probably a late 2nd/early 3rd
Engvall late 1st
Not sure where to put Mayfield because I think if the Islanders put him on waivers somebody may bite.

I wonder if retaining $1M on Engvall or Duclair would make them easier to move. It would be like a half-length buyout for NYI.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Well, what can the Sharks offer if not Dickinson? Misa is nice, but Schaefer is by far in a tier by himself with an elite level ceiling.

A late first round pick and a second round pick ain't going to cut it. Chances of either of those picks making the NHL (let alone being an impact NHL player) is low.

If moving up to 1 from 2 can’t be done without moving Askarov, Celebrini, Chernyshov, Dickinson, Eklund, Smith, and next year’s Sharks 1st rounder then there’s probably nothing to be done. There would still be some appealing prospects available but probably not the top tier that you’re trying to extract. Moving up from Misa to Schaefer isn’t really worth a top tier future asset to the Sharks when they have a need for both.

 

[WangMustGo]

I wonder if retaining $1M on Engvall or Duclair would make them easier to move. It would be like a half-length buyout for NYI.

I wouldn’t buy out or retain on either of them. Save the retention for Lee and Pageau at the deadline to get max assets back. Unless Darche somehow overhauls the roster in a big way this team isn’t contending for anything this year.

 

[WangMustGo]

If moving up to 1 from 2 can’t be done without moving Askarov, Celebrini, Chernyshov, Dickinson, Eklund, Smith, and next year’s Sharks 1st rounder then there’s probably nothing to be done. There would still be some appealing prospects available but probably not the top tier that you’re trying to extract. Moving up from Misa to Schaefer isn’t really worth a top tier future asset to the Sharks when they have a need for both.

I agree with you, but I also think without any of those assets it doesn’t make sense for the isles to move down. I would be shocked if the isles move out of the #1 spot.

 

[themelkman]

Zero reason to trade another blue chip prospect to move up, if the Islanders really want Misa then let them be forced to take him 1