Proposal: Hagens Schaefer Misa NYI SJS CHI

[lanceuppercut75]

EDITED to add more value for NYI

FIRST TRADE

to San Jose Sharks
1st overall pick
PIERRE ENGVALL
edited in - ANTHONY DUCLAIR

to New York Islanders
2nd overall pick
TY DELLANDREA
edited in - 2025 DAL 1ST


SECOND TRADE

to Chicago Blackhawks
2nd overall pick
SCOTT MAYFIELD
edited in - 42nd overall pick

to New York Islanders
3rd overall pick
T.J. BRODIE
Nolan Allan
edited in - 34th overall pick


FINAL RESULT

SJS out =
2nd overall
2025 DAL 1st (29/30/31/32)
DELLANDREA

SJS in =
(#1) Schaefer
DUCLAIR
ENGVALL

San Jose agrees to take on Engvall in order to get Schaefer. Engvall is $3.0m cap hit for 5 years, and if you buy him out at any point, the buyout cap hit is $1.0m.

CHI out =
3rd overall
34th overall
BRODIE
Nolan Allan

CHI in =
(#2) Misa
42nd overall
MAYFIELD

Chicago agrees to take on Mayfield's 5 year contract, and also give Allan, in order to get Misa. Luckily, Mayfield is an upgrade on Brodie in terms of on-ice play. The player is fine honestly... it's the 5 year term and age combo Islanders want to move on from.

NYI out =
1st overall
42nd overall
MAYFIELD
DUCLAIR
ENGVALL

NYI in =
(#3) Hagens
2025 DAL 1st (29/30/31/32)
34th overall
Nolan Allan
DELLANDREA
BRODIE

Islanders get the guy they want, but they also manage to dump Engvall and move on from the 5 year long commitment to Mayfield. Brodie is terrible but it's only a 1 year contract. Allan is a decent add-on. Dellandrea is a low commitment reclaimation project worth trying out.

 

[Gecklund]

I don’t see any reason for NYI to do these but I’d do it rather easily from SJ.

 

[MikeyMike01]

Not interested in moving from first just to clear cap in a season that probably isn’t going anywhere anyway.

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

If NYI really prefers Hagens over Schaefer/Misa they can just take and probably prefer draft capital to drop.

 

[miscs75]

That atleast gets the Isles out of 2 of the Lou contracts. I understand the reasoning but not sure if either SJS or CHI wants that term.

 

[seabass45]

Not interested in dropping for Hagens though.

 

[Empoleon8771]

This is awful value for the NYI. Trading down from #1 to #3 isn't worth getting out of Engvall's and Mayfield's deals.

 

[MHO]

I'm a Hawks fan and I'd do this on paper. Allan is a nice prospect but is clearly one of the odd men out on a crowded young D core so I'm ok using him as a sweetener for something like this. Yeah Brodie has negative value but I see what's going on here. So giving up those 2 guys to get Misa seems like a slam dunk right?

Well taking on a 5 year contract at $3M per isn't nothing and that D room is crowded. Maybe Mayfield could be a solid vet RHD on the 3rd pair below Rinzel and Levshunov for the next few years? But this whole thing is dependent on the actual belief amongst GMs that there is such a steep dropoff between Misa and the forwards behind him. I know what we see on the boards here but I'm not sure that's the case amongst people in the league.

 

[boredmale]

If we somehow could work out a deal to sign or trade for a big name before the draft(Marner???) I would be open to dumping cap space to move down.

 

[Anaheim4ever]

NYI should just pick Schaeffer/Misa. Hagens will probably drop to #5 or #6.
I can see Utah passing on Hagens for one of Martone/Desnoyers/Frondell/O'Brien.
Chicago probably goes Desnoyers at #3 and puts him at 1C and moves Bedard to the Wing and then they got their new Toews/Kane duo. Desnoyers will do all the defensive heavy lifting for Bedard and Bedards horrifying defense won't be an issue anymore.

 

[Glorydays22]

FIRST TRADE

to San Jose Sharks
1st overall pick
PIERRE ENGVALL

to New York Islanders
2nd overall pick
TY DELLANDREA


SECOND TRADE

to Chicago Blackhawks
2nd overall pick
SCOTT MAYFIELD

to New York Islanders
3rd overall pick
T.J. BRODIE
Nolan Allan


FINAL RESULT

SJS out = 2nd overall, DELLANDREA
SJS in = (#1) Schaefer, ENGVALL

San Jose agrees to take on Engvall in order to get Schaefer. Engvall is $3.0m cap hit for 5 years, and if you buy him out at any point, the buyout cap hit is $1.0m.

CHI out = 3rd overall, BRODIE, Allan
CHI in = (#2) Misa, MAYFIELD

Chicago agrees to take on Mayfield's 5 year contract, and also give Allan, in order to get Misa. Luckily, Mayfield is an upgrade on Brodie in terms of on-ice play. The player is fine honestly... it's the 5 year term and age combo Islanders want to move on from.

NYI out = 1st overall, MAYFIELD, ENGVALL
NYI in = (#3) Hagens, Allan, DELLANDREA, BRODIE

Islanders get the guy they want, but they also manage to dump Engvall and move on from the 5 year long commitment to Mayfield. Brodie is terrible but it's only a 1 year contract. Allan is a decent add-on. Dellandrea is a low commitment reclaimation project worth trying out.

Hell no from the isles....

 

[matt trick]

That’s awful for NYI. You could add Duclair to SJ for DAL 1st, and I’d still be game.

 

[Bobby Ryan Getzlaf]

Dropping from #1 should bring in a good piece or pieces. This is not good for NYI.

 

[T_Cage]

Given how much people overhype #1 picks, even in a bad draft, Isles could get more. Engvalls contract isn't a burden that would be worth the equivalent of a 1st+ to dump

 

[Sinbad]

The Hawks would definitely do this.

 

[Patty Ice]

FIRST TRADE

to San Jose Sharks
1st overall pick
PIERRE ENGVALL

to New York Islanders
2nd overall pick
TY DELLANDREA


SECOND TRADE

to Chicago Blackhawks
2nd overall pick
SCOTT MAYFIELD

to New York Islanders
3rd overall pick
T.J. BRODIE
Nolan Allan


FINAL RESULT

SJS out = 2nd overall, DELLANDREA
SJS in = (#1) Schaefer, ENGVALL

San Jose agrees to take on Engvall in order to get Schaefer. Engvall is $3.0m cap hit for 5 years, and if you buy him out at any point, the buyout cap hit is $1.0m.

CHI out = 3rd overall, BRODIE, Allan
CHI in = (#2) Misa, MAYFIELD

Chicago agrees to take on Mayfield's 5 year contract, and also give Allan, in order to get Misa. Luckily, Mayfield is an upgrade on Brodie in terms of on-ice play. The player is fine honestly... it's the 5 year term and age combo Islanders want to move on from.

NYI out = 1st overall, MAYFIELD, ENGVALL
NYI in = (#3) Hagens, Allan, DELLANDREA, BRODIE

Islanders get the guy they want, but they also manage to dump Engvall and move on from the 5 year long commitment to Mayfield. Brodie is terrible but it's only a 1 year contract. Allan is a decent add-on. Dellandrea is a low commitment reclaimation project worth trying out.

Sold

 

[periferal]

I definitely give the OP lots of points thinking about each team and trying to be creative.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

That atleast gets the Isles out of 2 of the Lou contracts. I understand the reasoning but not sure if either SJS or CHI wants that term.

The Sharks would probably take multiple contracts if it secured Schaefer but I don’t think Darche would be motivated solely by cap clearing to move off from the number one pick. The other thing is that for this kind of deal to happen likely requires putting the agreed upon dump on waivers because they probably have the Sharks on their no-trade list.

 

[lanceuppercut75]

Well taking on a 5 year contract at $3M per isn't nothing and that D room is crowded. Maybe Mayfield could be a solid vet RHD on the 3rd pair below Rinzel and Levshunov for the next few years?

I thought about this, yeah.

2025 2026
Vlasic - ( Levshunov / Rinzel )
Del Mastro - Murphy
( Korchinski / stopgap ) - Mayfield
7 = Kaiser
8 or waivers = Crevier

2026 2027
Vlasic - Rinzel
Del Mastro - Levshunov
Korchinski - Mayfield
7 Kaiser
8(?) Crevier (?)

Korchinski and/or Mayfield could be traded or kept, depending on what makes sense for Chicago in the future. If Mayfield's play falls off a cliff unexpectedly, he could be bought out in 2028 or 2029.

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

Absolutely not from NYI

 

[lanceuppercut75]

I don’t think Darche would be motivated solely by cap clearing to move off from the number one pick.

Generally I would agree. The OP only makes sense if the Islanders decide they want Hagens more than Schaefer and Misa, but want to also get something beneficial out of the situation. Drafting Hagens with the first pick would be bad asset management.

Another thing I noticed was that San Jose has DAL 1ST (29 or 30 or 31 or 32) and 33. Chicago has pick 34. Islanders have pick 42. The deal could be reworked somehow with Islanders moving up from 42 to DAL 1ST or 33 or 34.

The other thing is that for this kind of deal to happen likely requires putting the agreed upon dump on waivers because they probably have the Sharks on their no-trade list.

Sharks could agree to do an second Engvall trade immediately after to a team Engvall is willing to go to. San Jose would take another negative value with term contract back, obviously. If the contract is a little better, Sharks add a pick. If the contract is a little worse, Sharks recieve a pick.

Ultimately, I think Grier could call up a few GMs and figure out how to trade Engvall. It's a little difficult, but if you can make a move to get Matthew Schaefer, you figure it all out somehow.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Generally I would agree. The OP only makes sense if the Islanders decide they want Hagens more than Schaefer and Misa, but want to also get something beneficial out of the situation. Drafting Hagens with the first pick would be bad asset management.

Another thing I noticed was that San Jose has picks 32 and 33. Chicago has pick 34. Islanders have pick 42. The deal could be reworked somehow with Islanders moving up from 42 to 32 or 33 or 34.


Sharks could agree to do an second Engvall trade immediately after to a team Engvall is willing to go to. San Jose would take another negative value with term contract back, obviously. If the contract is a little better, Sharks add a pick. If the contract is a little worse, Sharks recieve a pick.

Ultimately, I think Grier could call up a few GMs and figure out how trade Engvall. It's a little difficult, but if you can make a move to get Matthew Schaefer, you figure it all out somehow.

Moving off of the top pick to dump a contract isn’t good asset management either. I’m sure the Sharks would do pick swaps to secure Schaefer too. I just don’t know if it and Hagens are worth them passing on Schaefer as the largely consensus best prospect.

As it relates to Engvall, I’m resigned to think they’ll have to eat at least a season of his contract to try and salvage value. I can’t imagine any team having interest.

I’m honestly not concerned with Grier being flexible. I think the Islanders likely ask for much more than that and end up picking Schaefer.

 

[lanceuppercut75]

That atleast gets the Isles out of 2 of the Lou contracts. I understand the reasoning but not sure if either SJS or CHI wants that term.

SAN JOSE - I think they can very easily manage 3 years of Engvall in order to get Matthew Schaefer. Should be zero issue there. It's year 4 and 5 that are an issue. That's where you're really paying the price. A 2028 buyout results in 4 years of a $1.0m cap hit, with the cap rising a lot. Very manageable, and Schaefer is going to be a stud.

CHICAGO - Same thing. 3 years of Mayfield in order to get Michael Misa should be zero issue. It's years 4 and 5 that are problematic. If you can't trade him and he becomes trash, a 2028 buyout results in a $1.17m cap hit for four years. Not ideal, but manageable with the cap rising so much. If you truly think Misa is on another level compared to Frondell, Desnoyers, Martone, etc, it's worth it IMO.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Getting out of the contracts is probably nice for NYI but I don't think there's enough actual value going their way. Also not sure why the Sharks need to be involved at all here. Just make this a deal between Chicago and New York.

 

[seabass45]

Moving off of the top pick to dump a contract isn’t good asset management either. I’m sure the Sharks would do pick swaps to secure Schaefer too. I just don’t know if it and Hagens are worth them passing on Schaefer as the largely consensus best prospect.

As it relates to Engvall, I’m resigned to think they’ll have to eat at least a season of his contract to try and salvage value. I can’t imagine any team having interest.

I’m honestly not concerned with Grier being flexible. I think the Islanders likely ask for much more than that and end up picking Schaefer.

Fully expecting the Isles to just eat the Engvall contract. Either keeping him around and hoping for the best, burying him in the AHL, or buying out. It’s entirely possible the Isles don’t spend to the cap anyway, given the UFA options out there.