Habs vs Wings

[Big Trout]

Do you know what "flash in the pan" is?

So his whole season is an unstustainable hot streak, got it!

 

[Dotter]

So his whole season is an unstustainable hot streak, got it!

Do you think he's going to be the next Erik Karlsson? Do you think next year players are going to target the 5'8, 155ibs kid?

Lets see if it's sustainable before calling me out for "flash in the pan" when he's currently still flashing in the pan.

No need to be so sensitive about it. It's just the internet and some things may not impress others as much as it does you.

 

[Big Trout]

Do you think he's going to be the next Erik Karlsson? Do you think next year players are going to target the 5'8, 155ibs kid?

Lets see if it's sustainable before calling me out for "flash in the pan" when he's currently still flashing in the pan.

Nice straw man, but it's obvious you never followed his carreer if you think he's somehow getting lucky.

Here's some numbers since the 4 nations break:

17gp
2 goals
17 assists
19 points
3.25 5v5 GF/60
1.15 5v5 GA/60
73.91% 5v5 GF% (+11)

Does that scream defensive liability to you? You also realise he doesn't have to be Erik Karlson for you to be completely wrong? Maybe if the Wings had Lane Hutson they'd be in the playoffs right now, actually they absolutely would.

 

[HabsMD97]

Do you think he's going to be the next Erik Karlsson? Do you think next year players are going to target the 5'8, 155ibs kid?

Lets see if it's sustainable before calling me out for "flash in the pan" when he's currently still flashing in the pan.

No need to be so sensitive about it. It's just the internet and some things may not impress others as much as it does you.

IDK if he's gonna be the next Karlsson but he's already better than Seider, Edvinsson and ASP and that's all that matters in this thread

 

[Garbageyuk]

Do you think he's going to be the next Erik Karlsson? Do you think next year players are going to target the 5'8, 155ibs kid?

Lets see if it's sustainable before calling me out for "flash in the pan" when he's currently still flashing in the pan.

No need to be so sensitive about it. It's just the internet and some things may not impress others as much as it does you.

So opposing players are just waiting until next year because…?

Hutson has been doing this shit for months on end. Hell, after his first couple games at the end of last year, it was evident what he could do.

But you’re right; opposing players and coaches are totally just waiting until the 2025-2026 season to “target” him while he tears up their defenses in the meantime.

 

[Big Trout]

So opposing players are just waiting until next year because…?

Hutson has been doing this shit for months on end. Hell, after his first couple games at the end of last year, it was evident what he could do.

But you’re right; opposing players and coaches are totally just waiting until the 2025-2026 season to “target” him while he tears up their defenses in the meantime.

Hutson isn't even 5'8 either, idk why he is lying

 

[Plastic Joseph]

So opposing players are just waiting until next year because…?

Hutson has been doing this shit for months on end. Hell, after his first couple games at the end of last year, it was evident what he could do.

But you’re right; opposing players and coaches are totally just waiting until the 2025-2026 season to “target” him while he tears up their defenses in the meantime.

Obviously they want to take it easy on the poor 5'7 rookie.

Give him some confidence, heck even drive up his contract value ro set the habs up for failure.

Once he's a sophomore, all bets are off. Guy will be lucky to hit 40 pts.

 

[MoneyManny]

Do you think he's going to be the next Erik Karlsson? Do you think next year players are going to target the 5'8, 155ibs kid?

Lets see if it's sustainable before calling me out for "flash in the pan" when he's currently still flashing in the pan.

No need to be so sensitive about it. It's just the internet and some things may not impress others as much as it does you.

He's already the next Erik Karlsson. He's been doin this shit for years, but y'all ignored him because he smol. His college seasons were fantastic. Flash in the pan he's not.

 

[Coffee]

Wings started with scorched earth whereas Canadians boasted valuable assets prior to their respective rebuild. Didn't Jesperi Kotkaniemi get offersheet?

When did the Red Wings start their rebuild?

 

[Big Trout]

When did the Red Wings starts thier rebuild?

This argument went on for pages. According to some, Montreal started their rebuild in 2018 because ''reasons''.

It's just a cope mechanism to explain the quick rebuild.

Wings also had Larkin so they didn't start from nothing.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Nice straw man, but it's obvious you never followed his carreer if you think he's somehow getting lucky.

Here's some numbers since the 4 nations break:

17gp
2 goals
17 assists
19 points
3.25 5v5 GF/60
1.15 5v5 GA/60
73.91% 5v5 GF% (+11)

Does that scream defensive liability to you? You also realise he doesn't have to be Erik Karlson for you to be completely wrong? Maybe if the Wings had Lane Hutson they'd be in the playoffs right now, actually they absolutely would.

I think Hutson is legit, but in those 17GP he has a 75% o-zone start%, a 10.9% on-ice sh% and a PDO of 105.9, all extremely high numbers.

 

[Pavels Dog]

When Raymond was leading Suzuki with 7pts around the middle of the year, I said that he had a really high shooting% and was way to reliant of the pp and that his production would likely decrease over time. Look like I was right.

So Suzuki riding a shooting % of 25% and an unsustainable PDO and Raymond likely playing hurt AND having unsustainably poor luck makes you correct? I don't think so.

It's quite disingenuous to compare Kucherov's 1st 3 years which includes the 52 games he played on the 3rd/4th lines with scrubs. What is the goal of your comparisons? Because you're fudging the numbers to make your point. In his second season at 21, he was put in a top 6 role and produced 2.65 pts/60 5v5 which was amongst the highest in the league.

"Fudging" the numbers? It's a strict comparison, first 3 seasons. If anything the numbers are "fudged" because it includes Raymond's 19, 20 and 21 year old seasons and Kucherovs 20, 21 and 22 year old seasons.
Compare just the 2nd and 3rd years if you want to, the numbers are still fairly similar. (.82 vs. .75 I believe), again with Raymond being younger.

There's also no need to get so upset. I specifically highlighted that I don't think the comparison means Raymond = Kucherov. This type of stuff gets brought up because some of you Habs fans seem to paint the picture that Raymond is a 40 point guy who just gets a bit lucky (maybe you think Copp and Rasmussen are the true stars on Detroit).

You keep just comparing basic PTS/GP which is very weird to me because it's extremely surface level and devoid of any context.

You don't seem interested in context in any other comparisons, why the Kucherov/Raymond one specifically?

To even compare his 1st season with Raymond's 1st season where he was glued to Larkin and a year older is laughable. You can't compare him to Mackinnon either since he was again playing in a different context.

Read the room. I didn't compare Slafkovsky to Mackinnon, bud12 did. I just posted to numbers to show why the comparison was silly. I've also never compared Slafkovsky's 1st season to Raymond's. I think it's fair to view Slafkovsky's rookie year as a total writeoff.

 

[ole ole]

Do you know what "flash in the pan" is?

I don't think you do because if we go by what your saying i guess Hutson whole hockey life to date has been what your calling a flash in the pan. Wow it's unbelievable how green some really are about Hutson and the Habs.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

When will Red Wings fans accept that Yzerman has been an utter failure as GM? Will it take another 3 years of middle of the pack playoff misses?

Good chance teams like Buffalo pass Detroit as early as next season.

 

[bud12]

So Suzuki riding a shooting % of 25% and an unsustainable PDO and Raymond likely playing hurt AND having unsustainably poor luck makes you correct? I don't think so.

Suzuki shooting at 16.8% and nothing unsustainable about is PDO over the year. Keep digging

 

[Pavels Dog]

Suzuki shooting at 16.8% and nothing unsustainable about is PDO over the year. Keep digging

His on-ice sh% is definitely high, both on the season and especially in the last stretch. I don't think there's anything crazy about it, but given that people keep bringing up how "lucky" Raymond was last season with a lower on-ice sh% it warrants mention.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Do you think he's going to be the next Erik Karlsson? Do you think next year players are going to target the 5'8, 155ibs kid?

Lets see if it's sustainable before calling me out for "flash in the pan" when he's currently still flashing in the pan.

No need to be so sensitive about it. It's just the internet and some things may not impress others as much as it does you.

You gonna learn

 

[bud12]

His on-ice sh% is definitely high, both on the season and especially in the last stretch. I don't think there's anything crazy about it, but given that people keep bringing up how "lucky" Raymond was last season with a lower on-ice sh% it warrants mention.

We said Raymond had a high sh% wich was true. It was near 20% and we said his production came too much from a unsustainable pp wich is still true. Again, it's wings fans who claimed that Raymond was significanly better than Suzuki, claiming he was on track to be like Kucherov

 

[Dotter]

i guess Hutson whole hockey life to date has been what your calling a flash in the pan.

The dude was so good his entire hockey life he was passed by every NHL club in the draft twice.

 

[bud12]

The dude was so good his entire life he was passed by every team in the draft twice.

Bro, you had Datsyuk on your team

 

[Artaud]

Do you think he's going to be the next Erik Karlsson? Do you think next year players are going to target the 5'8, 155ibs kid?

Lets see if it's sustainable before calling me out for "flash in the pan" when he's currently still flashing in the pan.

No need to be so sensitive about it. It's just the internet and some things may not impress others as much as it does you.

Anybody who's watched Hutson knows he's the real deal. Forget the numbers, the production, the records he's breaking. Just watch this kid school grown ass men every night.

His size is nothing new. He's dominated every rink he ever stepped on despite everyone thinking, like you, that he'd be targeted and fail. Your take is the most basic, smooth-brained analysis. This take made him a late second rounder and every team in the league is now kicking itself for thiking like this. He's always been small, always been doubted, and always proven people wrong.

Regarding the Habs vs. Wings question : before the season, there was a debate to be had because the Habs were bottom feeders and Detroit had been trending up in the standings. Habs always had more upside because of their younger group, better prospect pool and their wealth of future draft picks.

Now, there is no debate. The Wings are stagnating and destined for mediocrity. The Habs are a big surprise, trending sharply up, playoff bound, with some blue chip prospects not even in the show yet and 6 picks in the first three rounds of the draft.

Wings fan have a hard time admitting that their team doesn't have enough offensive juice to achieve anything. Yzerman failed when he stopped trading for picks and started trading his picks. Raymond will never be a contender's best forward. They need a couple of forwards better than him to be a serious team. They don't have anybody in their prospect pool trending thay way and it will be very hard for them to find one in the 10-15 pick range they seem to be stuck in for the forseeable future.

Detroit has regressed and is heading towards a losing culture that doesn't hate losing enough. The Habs, it's the opposite, they are showing character, they are rising up because they want to win that bad. I think this is actually a coaching difference. Habs have a good one behind the bench, that's an asset.

Wings fans hype their players up to cope with their lack of true superstar talent. You can look at any player's point totals on hockeydb and find a superstar with comparable numbers at the same age. That doesn't mean anything. Their only hope for relevance is that Buchelnikov is the next Kaprizov, and if you are sold on that, maybe I can interest you in some oceanfront properties in Abitibi?

 

[Dotter]

IDK if he's gonna be the next Karlsson but he's already better than Seider, Edvinsson and ASP and that's all that matters in this thread

This is a triggered response and it made me giggle out loud.

Y'all are so defensive... even morso than Hutson

 

[Dotter]

Bro, you had Datsyuk on your team

Nice comparison. Datsyuk wasn't scouted by anyone in the entire league, he was only stumbled upon by accident by DET who ALSO almost didn't go to that specific game (bad weather). The DET scout was there to watch a different player (not Datsyuk). Do you not know the story?

You can make a guess who "that scout" was.

 

[bud12]

Nice comparison. Datsyuk wasn't scouted by anyone in the entire league, he was only stumbled upon by accident by DET who ALSO almost didn't go to that specific game (bad weather), and he was there to see a different player (not Datsyuk). Do you not know the story?

And Hutson slipped only because of his size.

 

[Dotter]

And Hutson slipped only because of his size.

Great point. Let's see how he fairs long term. Maybe there is a reason he was skipped by everyone twice. Hence, 'flash in the pan' comment.

Sample size is small (not as small as Hutson) no matter how big you want to make it.