Habs vs Wings

[Lampedampe]

Not at all. A rebuilding team try to draft top 10 for 3-4 years in a row at least and to do that they liquidate multiple assets for draft picks. One bad year doesn't mean that a team rebuilding. Is it that hard to understand?

Nvm...

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

...you people still arguing this??...most talking heads have our propect pools close; we're literally beside each other in the standings...lets just all hug it out and say we're really close...

 

[Egresch]

The year is 2031. Kirby Dach is still a potential Top 6C who is being held back by injuries.

The year is 2031. Nate Danielson is PPG Top 6C ... in AHL, Applying the same stupid logic

 

[Egresch]

One has 40 pts in 45 games and the other 40 in 47. But sure, their stats are not even comparable…

And to your other point - Detroit picked 15 last year. Does this mean our rebuild is over? If we are bad again next year, can we start from year 0 and say it’s the first year of the rebuild? Since picking 15th and 16th after picking 3rd overall apparently means you’re not rebuilding…

Buchelnikov average ice time is 17:29, Demidov has 12:44, they are not really close.

 

[norrisnick]

Buchelnikov average ice time is 17:29, Demidov has 12:44, they are not really close.

Ya, one's top 6 and the other a 4th liner.

 

[Lampedampe]

Larkin = Suzuki
Raymond > Caufield
Kasper < Slafkovsky
Seider > Hutson (Hutson will probably surpass, but i wanna see atleast 1 full season.)
Edvinsson > Reinbacher
Debrincat = Laine
Nygaard << Demidov
Danielson > Hage
Sandin-Pellikka >> Mailloux
Lombardi = Beck
Buchelnikov > Roy
Buium = Engström

Flame away guys.

I reckon it's really close.
Difference is that since 2018 Red Wings have had 1 top-5 pick while Montreal has had 1OA, 3OA, and 2 5OAs

 

[Pavels Dog]

Then it is even clearer.

Larkin = Suzuki they are very close, I am not wasting my time debating this
Raymond > Caufield
Kasper << Slafkovsky
DeBrincat = Laine
Danielson < Dach/Hage
MBN/Buchelnikov << Demidov

Even with a pretty big homer take you're landing a minor advantage to Montreal, mostly in the unproven pieces (Dach, Hage, Demidov).

I might even agree that on pure talent/offense, Montreal's forward group is trending slightly ahead. But it's a slight advantage, and one that's depending on Demidov/Hage becoming what you hope, and at least one of Dach/Slafkovsky breaking out and reaching potential.

Caufield - Suzuki- Slafkovsky one of top lines in whole NHL 5v5. With 24 goals for they are 5th in the league and they only played 34 games together. Slafkovsky was struggling out of that line, but with that duo he is doing very well. Inconsistent, but he can be a dominant force already at 20.

And Kasper is above PPG since being put together with Larkin and Raymond.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

The year is 2031. Nate Danielson is PPG Top 6C ... in AHL, Applying the same stupid logic

I mean yeah, if Danielson were still half PPG in the AHL at 24 I'd probably be considering him a bust.

But here Kirby Dach is at 24, with a 30 point pace, on his 5th straight season now of "He's really good, it's just the injuries!"

 

[iago]

Detroit has the top 4 players out of the entire Detroit and Montreal organizations - Larkin, Seider, Edvinsson, and Raymond. There is no one Montreal could offer that would convince me to trade any of these 4 in a one for one deal.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

This is just prime entertainment. Ridiculous takes on both sides.

I think they're very close. One is building a defensive team the other offensive. The one thing I will say is there's alot of projecting in Montreal's prospects. Which is fair, but if you're projecting them to become unreal there's also the chance they don't reach that.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

This is just prime entertainment. Ridiculous takes on both sides.

I think they're very close. One is building a defensive team the other offensive. The one thing I will say is there's alot of projecting in Montreal's prospects. Which is fair, but if you're projecting them to become unreal there's also the chance they don't reach that.

I've heard that Demidov is guaranteed to be better than Raymond.

 

[Bigtrout]

This is just prime entertainment. Ridiculous takes on both sides.

Seems kinda hopeless to try and have a legit discussion without getting swarmed by homers and rage baits

 

[Stewie Griffin]

Seems kinda hopeless to try and have a legit discussion without getting swarmed by homers and rage baits

There's so many comments in this thread I wanted to reply to but then I kept reading and was like, oh wait nvm the other fanbase just said something just as crazy...

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

There's so many comments in this thread I wanted to reply to but then I kept reading and was like, oh wait nvm the other fanbase just said something just as crazy...

Realistically:

Detroit's better defensively.

Both teams are pretty similar at forward and have intriguing prospects, but Montreal obviously has the biggest blue chip in Demidov.

Both have not one, but two good goalie prospects. I'd take Detroit's duo, but goalies are so incredibly unpredictable that we really have no idea where it's gonna go.

End of the day, both teams are relatively even at the NHL level right now, and the future is going to entirely depend on how they develop their current guys.

I will say I like how Hughes has weaponized cap better than Yzerman. I was pounding the table for us to take on Monahan from Calgary. I have the Athletic "Ask us" Mailbag publication as evidence.

 

[Xspyrit]

None of these assets were acquired through rebuilding. How is it so damn hard to understand?

It was never the point! At least not MY point.

You seriously can't differentiate various posters? That is god damn amazing

I know what you are by the way. The typical nordiques fan living in the past. I was a nordiques fan too. I just dont live in the past like you.

You know you're in a sad place when you live in montreal and choose to be a senators fan

lol I was a Nordiques for like 3 years because they moved just a few years after I arrived in Canada! I don't need to do like everyone else so I never felt the need to be a Habs fan which is frankly great.

Yup all guys obtained after their actual rebuild started. Your point?

What, you don't see it... by yourself? lol is it a joke?

Oh so you weren't the one who posted a 1000 words essay about how the habs should have started rebuilding in 2017? Who was it then? Who was on a crusade really?

It was 243 words and it could have been my last post on the subject if you didn't start quoting me like an obsessed freak lol

I exchanged a few posts with another Habs fan Bigtrout, it was so much easier and fluid! But gotta admit, not as hilarious hahaha

 

[FissionFire]

Larkin = Suzuki
Raymond > Caufield
Kasper < Slafkovsky
Seider > Hutson (Hutson will probably surpass, but i wanna see atleast 1 full season.)
Edvinsson > Reinbacher
Debrincat = Laine
Nygaard << Demidov
Danielson > Hage
Sandin-Pellikka >> Mailloux
Lombardi = Beck
Buchelnikov > Roy
Buium = Engström

Flame away guys.

I reckon it's really close.
Difference is that since 2018 Red Wings have had 1 top-5 pick while Montreal has had 1OA, 3OA, and 2 5OAs

Hutson will surpass Seider offensively but I have serious doubts he will ever be better than him overall as a 1D, if he ever even reaches that level. Reinbacher is the Habs best hope for a true 1D.