Pre-Game Talk: Habs vs Canes October 3rd at 7pm

[paddy]

Yup, of course. Do you know why the PP% was 27-28% in the last ten games last season. The answer is: Joel Armia.

Armia has been on the PP for most of the year. It's been like that since he's been a Hab.

 

[habsfan891]

Pulls off his Canes jersey to reveal...!

A canadiens jersey showing the Canes match was a hoax

 

[blarneylad]

I want to see Kotkaniemi and Drouin play better now that the real games have started.

Also excited to see Fleury and Suzuki make their debuts. Hope Julien gives them some leash and allow them to grow from mistakes and not expect them to play like veterans out of the gate. I always found our coaches Julien and past coaches have been quicker to isolate youth for mistakes than veterans ie Benn.

 

[stanley25]

Last year the Hurricanes were much better than the Habs. I don't see that changing this year. I expect a loss.

They finished with 3 points more then us and only 1 less L. Wouldn't call that much better

 

[Rapala]

They finished with 3 points more then us and only 1 less L. Wouldn't call that much better

They did however play in a division that placed 5 of the 8 playoff clubs so there is that.

 

[Rapala]

Man, that's pathetic. It's business, not a frat-house for good ol' boys.

If Dundon wants to act out his grudge on the ice, he's better lace up his skates and take a shift himself, because none of his players will care.

He could face off against Cap Space.

 

[Rapala]

Armia has been on the PP for most of the year. It's been like that since he's been a Hab.

It took off when Weal joined and they changed up the down low config. Armia is still good for retrieval but Weal is the better bumper.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

I see that Claude really loves Weal. I want to say that I don't understand why Armia and Weal are on the PP over KK, but after all, Claude "the dinosaur" Julien is the bench boss, therefore no more is needed to say.

Or its because the only time our pp was effective last season was when we had weal, danault, and armia playing on the 1st unit?

If anything putting kotkaniemi, who's much more talented than those guys, on the top unit is more of a "dinosaur" way of thinking since by default a coach usually stacks the most skilled players on the 1st unit.

Weal and Danault aren't on top unit because they are older than KK, but rather because they actually managed to make the pp successful. It remains to be seen if they can continue the success from last season and from preseason, but it makes sense to give them the first look.

 

[Justin11]

Or its because the only time our pp was effective last season was when we had weal, danault, and armia playing on the 1st unit?

If anything putting kotkaniemi, who's much more talented than those guys, on the top unit is more of a "dinosaur" way of thinking since by default a coach usually stacks the most skilled players on the 1st unit.

Weal and Danault aren't on top unit because they are older than KK, but rather because they actually managed to make the pp successful. It remains to be seen if they can continue the success from last season and from preseason, but it makes sense to give them the first look.

Putting a talented player on the top unit is more of a “dinosaur” thinking?...ok? I think you should watch around the league when you have a moment.

 

[The Great Weal]

Did Bergevin actually force Fleury and Suzuki to have numbers that he wants? That's pretty f***ing ridiculous if true. "Sorry Suzuki, but my ex girlfriend cheated on me with someone who had a #88 jersey so you can't wear that. Sorry Fleury, but this bully who was mean to me in middle school wore number #80 so you can't wear that"

 

[OnTheRun]

Did Bergevin actually force Fleury and Suzuki to have numbers that he wants? That's pretty ****ing ridiculous if true. "Sorry Suzuki, but my ex girlfriend cheated on me with someone who had a #88 jersey so you can't wear that. Sorry Fleury, but this bully who was mean to me in middle school wore number #80 so you can't wear that"

Of course, hockey thinking at play here. If a young unproven player take a high number then said young player think he is a hot shot and we can't have that.

All of this is...

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Putting a talented player on the top unit is more of a “dinosaur” thinking?...ok? I think you should watch around the league when you have a moment.

Did coaches use to put their less talented players in the top pp unit decades ago? No, it was always been the most talented players. There is nothing modern about this.
Putting guys like Danault and Weal on the top unit when you have more talented players is not something that used to be done frequently before or even now. So that is definitely not a "dinosaur" way of thinking.

What was a "dinosaur" way of thinking was favoring less good veteran players over the kids, but that is not the case here. Like I said in my previous post, Danault and Weal are on the first unit for now because they made the pp successful.
If it was an age thing, then Domi and Tatar would've been there instead.

In general, Julien might not favor the rookies for the top pp unit, but in this specific case, it doesn't have to do with that.

 

[Justin11]

Did coaches use to put their less talented players in the top pp unit decades ago? No, it was always been the most talented players. There is nothing modern about this.
Putting guys like Danault and Weal on the top unit when you have more talented players is not something that used to be done frequently before or even now. So that is definitely not a "dinosaur" way of thinking.

What was a "dinosaur" way of thinking was favoring less good veteran players over the kids, but that is not the case here. Like I said in my previous post, Danault and Weal are on the first unit for now because they made the pp successful.
If it was an age thing, then Domi and Tatar would've been there instead.

In general, Julien might not favor the rookies for the top pp unit, but in this specific case, it doesn't have to do with that.

I really believe you are missing the point. Claude Julien is a dinosaur coach, period. whether it’s deployment of the lines, pp, pk, favoritism etc...

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

I really believe you are missing the point. Claude Julien is a dinosaur coach, period. whether it’s deployment of the lines, pp, pk, favoritism etc...

I disagree.
Give me examples that don't have to do with kotkaniemi.
I could give you plenty of examples that show the opposite

 

[Justin11]

I disagree.
Give me examples that don't have to do with kotkaniemi.
I could give you plenty of examples that show the opposite

That’s ok to disagree, you have your opinion on this coach and I have mine. We can debate this until our faces turn blue, it won’t change your mind and it certainly won’t change mine.

 

[DangerDave]

I want to see Kotkaniemi and Drouin play better now that the real games have started.

Also excited to see Fleury and Suzuki make their debuts. Hope Julien gives them some leash and allow them to grow from mistakes and not expect them to play like veterans out of the gate. I always found our coaches Julien and past coaches have been quicker to isolate youth for mistakes than veterans ie Benn.

Thankfully, Suzuki and Fleury are the sort of players that CJ will love. Poehling too.

 

[Runner77]

Did Bergevin actually force Fleury and Suzuki to have numbers that he wants? That's pretty ****ing ridiculous if true. "Sorry Suzuki, but my ex girlfriend cheated on me with someone who had a #88 jersey so you can't wear that. Sorry Fleury, but this bully who was mean to me in middle school wore number #80 so you can't wear that"

We don’t know how much coercion or persuasion was involved, if any.

I translated Fleury’s comment in respect of why he changed his jersey number. There is a strong inference that Bergevin was involved in the decision either directly or indirectly.

Fleury’s answer was how Bergevin doesn’t like high numbers. That definitely draws a clear link between Fleury’s decision and Bergevin’s preference.

 

[Habby Gilmore]

Canes win 4-2 Aho with a hat trick kk gets our first goal of the year

Naw, Habs Win 3-1, Suzuki with the first goal and Weber crushes Aho, who leaves the game with an “upper body” injury in the 1st period.

 

[Le Tricolore]

Did Bergevin actually force Fleury and Suzuki to have numbers that he wants? That's pretty ****ing ridiculous if true. "Sorry Suzuki, but my ex girlfriend cheated on me with someone who had a #88 jersey so you can't wear that. Sorry Fleury, but this bully who was mean to me in middle school wore number #80 so you can't wear that"

Why does it even matter to you? Lou doesn't let players wear high numbers. It's just a number on a shirt.

 

[Monsieur Miz]

Did Bergevin actually force Fleury and Suzuki to have numbers that he wants? That's pretty ****ing ridiculous if true. "Sorry Suzuki, but my ex girlfriend cheated on me with someone who had a #88 jersey so you can't wear that. Sorry Fleury, but this bully who was mean to me in middle school wore number #80 so you can't wear that"

Where did you read that ?

 

[Bouboumaster]

On va en manger une tabarnac.

QFT

 

[Habssince89]

4-2 Habs

Tatar
Petry
Petry(PP)
Lehkonen(EN)

 

[NobleSix]

Did Bergevin actually force Fleury and Suzuki to have numbers that he wants? That's pretty ****ing ridiculous if true. "Sorry Suzuki, but my ex girlfriend cheated on me with someone who had a #88 jersey so you can't wear that. Sorry Fleury, but this bully who was mean to me in middle school wore number #80 so you can't wear that"

Pierre Gervais confirmed in an interview two seasons ago that Bergevin picks the numbers for all incoming prospects, and also has a large amount of input on what numbers are given to players coming to the team via trade/signings.

He made a comment in the interview that said under all of the GMs he's ever worked under, he's never seen a GM more "involved" in the numbers worn by the players.

If you go back and look at all of the numbers worn by players who have played for the Habs under Bergevin's tenure, you'll see that certain numbers are always consistently in circulation. See #8, #13, #17, #21, #28 for example.

The guy is an absolute control freak.

 

[The Great Weal]

Why does it even matter to you? Lou doesn't let players wear high numbers. It's just a number on a shirt.

Lol what's next? You cant take a Gatorade from the vending machine next to the washroom because it has all the flavors that Bergevin likes? You cant sit on the 3rd chair from the right in the lunch room because that's Bergevins spot?

 

[Runner77]

Where did you read that ?

There was a tweet about Fleury’s jersey: