Proposal: Habs & Sabres

[Mersss]

he’s actually producing unlike your $10.5M goalie

Meh, at least he's on LTIR and we can use his salary on other players, not like Skinner! Price cap hit isn't an issue at all.

He really doesn't. Sabres management and fans know what they have in Skinner. People that don't watch him play look at stats and make Incorrect assumptions.

His previous two down years he had the same heart and effort. He was the same player playing the exact same style, but was playing on the 4th line in a defensive role. He was doing everything alone in the offensive zone.

Krueger played him with Sobotka and Conor Sheary in 2020, and then with Sheahan and Lazar in 2021.

After Kruegar was fired last year, skinner played with Olofsson and Reinhart and his offense was fine. Just like it was this year playing back in the top 6.

OH, so the fact Skinner played on terrible teams makes him valuable, but the fact Petry played on the team that finished DEAD LAST makes him a cap dump after 3 season where he was playing like a #1d-man.

Where's the logic in that. Skinner was terrible before, and he'll need to replicate this season (and @ 9M$, he's still overpaid by at least 2-3M$)

Hell people are roasting Boeser cause his QO is 7.5M$ (still 1.5M$ bellow Skinner), and have similar production THIS YEAR... Skinner is still a cap dump. @ 9M$, you should be a line driver and be near ppg. Def not the case here

 

[Irie]

Meh, at least he's on LTIR and we can use his salary on other players, not like Skinner! Price cap hit isn't an issue at all.


OH, so the fact Skinner played on terrible teams makes him valuable, but the fact Petry played on the team that finished DEAD LAST makes him a cap dump after 3 season where he was playing like a #1d-man.

Where's the logic in that. Skinner was terrible before, and he'll need to replicate this season (and @ 9M$, he's still overpaid by at least 2-3M$)

Hell people are roasting Boeser cause his QO is 7.5M$ (still 1.5M$ bellow Skinner), and have similar production THIS YEAR... Skinner is still a cap dump. @ 9M$, you should be a line driver and be near ppg. Def not the case here

You have to understand that player value will always be relative to different teams.

Skinner is an absolute cap dump at 9 million.

No one is arguing that.

Skinner at 7million(the number tagged in the OP proposal) is probably fair value for a pest that draws a lot of penalties and scores 33 goals., And he's probably worth more than that to the current Buffalo team.

The issues are:
1.) Petry at 6.25 is overpaid if you are going to play him on your third pairing, where Buffalo needs an upgrade.

2.) Whether or not Petry will be a cap dump at age 37 is the concern. While not guaranteed, there is a strong likelihood that he will be.

Maybe Petry is worth 6.25 to Montreal, hell, maybe he is worth 8 million to them. If he is, power to the Habs and Jeff Petry. From Sabres fans perspective, Petry would not be worth 6.25 million to them.

That is where relative value comes in.

 

[Asymmetric Solution]

Is Montreal’s 1st attached?

 

[Kublakhan]

JEFF SKINNER HAS AN AIR TIGHT NO MOVE CLAUSE/ Thread

 

[LongWayDown37]

No interest from Sabres. No need for quantity from the worst team in the league.

 

[beowulf]

You cannot be serious....Habs laugh at this as crazy.

Sounds pretty bad for Buffalo.
2 years of Hoffman at 4.5 who would be redundant on Buffalo since they already have a PP shooter.
3 years of Armia at 3.5
3 years of Petry at 6.25
and 2 million retained for 5 years.
That's an insane amount of cap for the first 2-3 years. The money saved in years 4 & 5 don't offset how bad this is. I guess you can make a case that Buffalo finds a way to trade these pieces off and only get stuck with the 2 million retention, but unless they're getting great pieces back, losing skinner while retaining 2 million and then having to find a replacement doesn't make much sense.

Worst for Montreal they get a bit of cap space for a guy that is so inconsistent that even at $7M he is not worth it. Ya he got 33 goals and 63 points this past season but in 112 game the two previous seasons he had all of 37 points...no thanks

 

[Panthaz89]

The Sabres are loaded at winger why the heck would we trade our best one to add a bunch of meh at wing...the only one who is even usable with our current lineup really is Armia as a bottom 6...

 

[elchud]

There is no Skinner trade unless it with Toronto and it would have to be totally crazy. As in Buffalo would have to win a lottery pick.

Skinner
2nd overall in 22
2nd round pick in 23

Marner
Toronto 1st round pick in 22

It would have to be something like that. Only Toronto, and major salary coming back, and Toronto getting an elite prospect as well. And Toronto will want retention on Skinner which would blow up a theoretical trade like this for me.

 

[Panthaz89]

He'll need to replicate such season to be worth anywhere near 7M$.

Hell Petry has had ONE terrible season after 3 stellar season and he's a "BAD CONTRACT" @ 6.5M$... Skinner is still a cap dump.

well yeah one guy is nearly 5 years older he's also had 10+ years of meh seasons before those 3 years

 

[Panthaz89]

There is no Skinner trade unless it with Toronto and it would have to be totally crazy. As in Buffalo would have to win a lottery pick.

Skinner
2nd overall in 22
2nd round pick in 23

Marner
Toronto 1st round pick in 22

It would have to be something like that. Only Toronto, and major salary coming back, and Toronto getting an elite prospect as well. And Toronto will want retention on Skinner which would blow up a theoretical trade like this for me.

Assuming you are actually talking about 2nd overall in 23 since 22 already took place the Sabres would be insane to trade that pick along with any other team 1 and 2 in that draft are untouchable atm.

 

[KrakenFan92]

Your proposal is offensive.

It is a complete troll job.

Please refrain from making any proposals in the future that include Buffalo, as they are not made in good faith and will only lead to flame-fests.

Seriously. Please stop.

OP knows nothing about hockey. He just keeps failing over and over again with his proposals. Mods should ban him from making trade proposals.

 

[elchud]

Assuming you are actually talking about 2nd overall in 23 since 22 already took place the Sabres would be insane to trade that pick along with any other team 1 and 2 in that draft are untouchable atm.

The lottery is on May 10th.

They would be insane to trade 2nd overall if they pulled it this year...but...the Skinner contract is also insane. 5 more years. Its the 4th and 5th years that are really really really bad as opposed to just bad.

Oh yeah almost forgot. Mitch Marner aint a bad return.

 

[Panthaz89]

The lottery is on May 10th.

They would be insane to trade 2nd overall if they pulled it this year...but...the Skinner contract is also insane. 5 more years. Its the 4th and 5th years that are really really really bad as opposed to just bad.

We really don't know until Skinner actually drops off he seems to work perfectly fine on the top line with Thompson and Tuch. For some reason he can actually pass the puck to them which he had problems doing with his previous linemates for years.

 

[elchud]

We really don't know until Skinner actually drops off he seems to work perfectly fine on the top line with Thompson and Tuch. For some reason he can actually pass the puck to them which he had problems doing with his previous linemates for years.

If he only had two years left I would be fine with him making 12 million those two years.

Best case is he is 25G 20A his last two seasons, overpaid by 4.5 million. It will suck but its manageable I guess. It would be a miracle if he is a 60 point player those last two years.

 

[jfhabs]

Sounds pretty bad for Buffalo.
2 years of Hoffman at 4.5 who would be redundant on Buffalo since they already have a PP shooter.
3 years of Armia at 3.5
3 years of Petry at 6.25
and 2 million retained for 5 years.
That's an insane amount of cap for the first 2-3 years. The money saved in years 4 & 5 don't offset how bad this is. I guess you can make a case that Buffalo finds a way to trade these pieces off and only get stuck with the 2 million retention, but unless they're getting great pieces back, losing skinner while retaining 2 million and then having to find a replacement doesn't make much sense.

Yeah it's bad for both teams really. Montreal likely needs that cap relief in year 4 and 5 while Buffalo will need it before montreal since they're already further along their rebuild. Better off just riding 1 or 2 years of the contracts and try and get picks for them when closer the expire , retain if needed.

 

[Nikolajs Sillers]

Adams can't hang up the phone fast enough....

Or he even blocks it.

 

[Chainshot]

All the fan mudslinging aside, no team has ever held that much cap for that long before. Then there is Skinner's full NMC and expressed desire to be near his parents/family and the only team closer than Buffalo to that is Toronto. That's even before getting into the value either way for either team, the economics of it for either team, or any of that. So we have unprecedented retention and a full NMC... seems like a place to stop speculating on this even before silly commentary about any of the other parts involved, right?

 

[TGWL]

You cannot be serious....Habs laugh at this as crazy.



Worst for Montreal they get a bit of cap space for a guy that is so inconsistent that even at $7M he is not worth it. Ya he got 33 goals and 63 points this past season but in 112 game the two previous seasons he had all of 37 points...no thanks

It might be bad for Montreal as well, but it seems like the poster was trying to sell it as good for Buffalo.

 

[McJedi]

f***ing horrile for Mtl. what is this exactly?
Mtl can sell off those pieces individually and get much more

What? Three of those pieces are negative value. Petry, Hoffman and Armia have no value at their AAVs and remaining term.

I wouldn’t want the Skinner contract either regardless of his good season he just played.

But there is no value in those three Montreal players. Your ex GM cut some bad deals when he signed those three contracts.

If Montreal cut any of those three, they’d sail right thru waivers unclaimed.

 

[Hunter368]

Well this has been fun, closed