Proposal: Habs package for speeding up the rebuild

[Bijelo]

Last time the Habs had a productive Swede was Mats Naslund.

A lot Swede talents in and outside NHL.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Speed up the rebuild?? HFB tankmongers just had a heart attack

 

[pth2]

I would offer more than the Wpg 1st to get Kakko.

Such as ?

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Such as ?

1st + 3rd + Farrell/Tuch.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Other than pure boredom amongst the fanbase why would the Habs think they’re in a position that they should be “speeding up the rebuild”? That’s a thing to do when you’re like one top six forward away from a rebuild being over and have an excess in prospects. Neither of which apply to Montreal.

 

[bernmeister]

So when Bern says no, its pretty much automatic that he will be traded this offseason!

No ? Rs have sometimes ignored/defied my advice, and track record = usually they should have listened to me.
We'll see.
Smart play = at minimum admit he has chem w/Cuylle and they can get by w/Brodz as pivot = a cheap line, but try to upgrade 3C

so again, no

 

[bernmeister]

Kakko for the Jets first would make plenty of sense. Montreal needs winger depth, RW in particular, and NYR can't be developping a guy forever while they're in win-now mode.

Plus, he's from the 2019 draft class, and I think the secret objective is to get that entire draft class in Montreal. Yes, I'm kidding.

no
he is worth mo than a late 1st + see prior post
eff the bullshit mentality that win now moves work, they typically don't, and best win now move is to extend window, and that means not moving better pieces unless overpay
dealing KK shortens window

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Other than pure boredom amongst the fanbase why would the Habs think they’re in a position that they should be “speeding up the rebuild”? That’s a thing to do when you’re like one top six forward away from a rebuild being over and have an excess in prospects. Neither of which apply to Montreal.

They did it with the Dach and Newhook trades. The Habs have multiple 1st round picks in 2024 and 2025. I can see them looking for another similar type of player to speed up the rebuild. The Wpg 1st + 2nd/3rd are in play as well as young dmen (Struble / Harris / Barron).

 

[Baksfamous112]

Other than pure boredom amongst the fanbase why would the Habs think they’re in a position that they should be “speeding up the rebuild”? That’s a thing to do when you’re like one top six forward away from a rebuild being over and have an excess in prospects. Neither of which apply to Montreal.

What makes you think they aren’t? Slaf, Suzuki, Caufield and Dach are all top 6 forwards already.

Roy and Newhook both have a chance. They’re going to draft top 5-7 and most likely will pick a forward that’ll end up being a top 6. They have excess of high picks (4x first & 3x 2nd) over the next two years to acquire another one if needed.

They have more NHL ready D than they need and at least 3 high end talent either in the NHL or coming up (Guhle, Reinbacher & Hutson).

I see no reason why Montreal wouldn’t at least be in the playoff picture next year. One thing is sure, they will be too good to properly tank.

 

[WarriorofTime]

What makes you think they aren’t? Slaf, Suzuki, Caufield and Dach are all top 6 forwards already.

They're 26th in Goals Scored...

Roy and Newhook both have a chance. They’re going to draft top 5-7 and most likely will pick a forward that’ll end up being a top 6. They have excess of high picks (4x first & 3x 2nd) over the next two years to acquire another one if needed.

Prospects are decent, but I wouldn't say they're so overflowing that they're running out of spots to put guys by the time waiver-exempt years are complete (which is what I mean by "overflow")

They have more NHL ready D than they need and at least 3 high end talent either in the NHL or coming up (Guhle, Reinbacher & Hutson).

They're 26th in Goals Against... none of those guys are anywhere close to running out of waiver-exempt..

I see no reason why Montreal wouldn’t at least be in the playoff picture next year. One thing is sure, they will be too good to properly tank.

Even if too good to properly tank, why rush things and look to acquire some RFA player that will be UFA in a couple years? What's the rush? They're not winning the Cup in a couple years anyways? There will always be future trades to make if they need to.. I don't see the value in rushing things just to do so.

 

[Talik Sanis]

Other than pure boredom amongst the fanbase why would the Habs think they’re in a position that they should be “speeding up the rebuild”? That’s a thing to do when you’re like one top six forward away from a rebuild being over and have an excess in prospects. Neither of which apply to Montreal.

Because it's precisely the failed strategy that they've implemented for the last two years, trading draft picks for players further in their development - Newhook and Dach - whom they hoped would grow alongside Caufield and Suzuki, woefully inadequate core pieces for a rebuilding team?

 

[Junohockeyfan]

They're 26th in Goals Scored...

Prospects are decent, but I wouldn't say they're so overflowing that they're running out of spots to put guys by the time waiver-exempt years are complete (which is what I mean by "overflow")

They're 26th in Goals Against... none of those guys are anywhere close to running out of waiver-exempt..

Even if too good to properly tank, why rush things and look to acquire some RFA player that will be UFA in a couple years? What's the rush? They're not winning the Cup in a couple years anyways? There will always be future trades to make if they need to.. I don't see the value in rushing things just to do so.

They traded for Dach, signed him to a 3 year deal and he's still a RFA at the end of it.
They traded for Newhook, signed him to a 4 year deal and he's still a RFA at the end of it.

The players the Habs are targeting will be cost-controlled and have potential for longterm service.

If they trade for a 30 year old... then i agree with ya.

 

[WarriorofTime]

They traded for Dach, signed him to a 3 year deal and he's still a RFA at the end of it.
They traded for Newhook, signed him to a 4 year deal and he's still a RFA at the end of it.

The players the Habs are targeting will be cost-controlled and have potential for longterm service.

If they trade for a 30 year old... then i agree with ya.

Think OP was talking about 25 year olds

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Habs fans are probably seeing tonight what we mean by laff is just a different level player than slaf.

Slaf is good but hes no laff

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Think OP was talking about 25 year olds

Yeah, that doesn't fit the rebuild strategy.

Habs fans are probably seeing tonight what we mean by laff is just a different level player than slaf.

Slaf is good but hes no laff

In 2 x years, when Slaf is Laf's age, he will blow Laf's point total out of the water. Slaf will be a best in 2 x years.

 

[Baksfamous112]

They're 26th in Goals Scored...

Most of their scoring is coming from the sane 4 guys; Newhook, Suzuki, Caufield and Slaf. Dach next year will help a lot. Ideally Roy can step up a bit more although he’s still 20.

They're 26th in Goals Against... none of those guys are anywhere close to running out of waiver-exempt..

Horrible bottom 6 F & a young D. Most of those guys will come back stronger next year with more experience. That should help… a lot.

Even if too good to properly tank, why rush things and look to acquire some RFA player that will be UFA in a couple years? What's the rush? They're not winning the Cup in a couple years anyways? There will always be future trades to make if they need to.. I don't see the value in rushing things just to do so.

They don’t need to be cup favorite to acquire more talent. A 24-27 years old top 6 F will be in its prime when Montreal is ready to compete. They need to stay away from 28+ but I see no reason not to at least look into forwards entering their prime.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Yeah, that doesn't fit the rebuild strategy.


In 2 x years, when Slaf is Laf's age, he will blow Laf's point total out of the water. Slaf will be a best in 2 x years.

We’ll compare apples to apples and 5v5 production. We’ll see

 

[Baksfamous112]

We’ll compare apples to apples and 5v5 production. We’ll see

If you want to compare apples to apples then compare their 19 years old seasons?

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

If you want to compare apples to apples then compare their 19 years old seasons?

Sure. Laffs D+2 was better haha. You might wanna look into their stats.

Not only was laffs better, he was also playing 3rd line minutes and like 5 mins less per night than slaf is playing now.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Sure. Laffs D+2 was better haha. You might wanna look into their stats.

Not only was laffs better, he was also playing 3rd line minutes and like 5 mins less per night than slaf is playing now.

Slaf with 50% more point production... and counting. LOL

Slaf plays more minutes because he's a far superior player than Laf (back when he was in D+2). Laf was a potential bust back then. Still not a 1OA quality player.

But let's see Slaf in his D+4 - in 2 x years. 6'3, 240lbs and getting bigger and stronger by the day. Oh my....

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Slaf with 50% more point production... and counting. LOL

Slaf plays more minutes because he's a far superior player than Laf (back when he was in D+2). Laf was a potential bust back then. Still not a 1OA quality player.

But let's see Slaf in his D+4 - in 2 x years. 6'3, 240lbs and getting bigger and stronger by the day. Oh my....

You might wanna check out the stats pal haha. Slaf’s playing more minutes because hes not on a team going to the eastern conference finals like laff was in D+2.

Laff had more even strength goals D+2 playing on a checking line than slaf has total goals this year. Wild.

 

[pth2]

1st + 3rd + Farrell/Tuch.

Works for me, those extra assets aren't of great value. I suspect Pittsburgh's 2nd next year would of more interest, though.

 

[pth2]

Think OP was talking about 25 year olds

25 and younger.

 

[Xirik]

1. Isn't Tuch going to be a Free agent this summer after spending 4 years in college?
2. Farrel at 5'9 doesn't really suit the Rangers style.
3. A late 1st and a 2nd/3rd doesn't really help the Rangers with their Stanley cup window.

The Rangers top forwards are all in their 30's now the only way the Rangers are trading him is if he's part of a bigger package OR A rebuilding team that has a good older-ish player that doesn't fit their timeline is offered to the Rangers and the rebuilding team thinks they can get more out of Kakko.

If Kekalainen was still the Jackets GM I could see him trading BOONE Jenner for Kakko.

 

[jay from jersey]

1. Isn't Tuch going to be a Free agent this summer after spending 4 years in college?
2. Farrel at 5'9 doesn't really suit the Rangers style.
3. A late 1st and a 2nd/3rd doesn't really help the Rangers with their Stanley cup window.

The Rangers top forwards are all in their 30's now the only way the Rangers are trading him is if he's part of a bigger package OR A rebuilding team that has a good older-ish player that doesn't fit their timeline is offered to the Rangers and the rebuilding team thinks they can get more out of Kakko.

If Kekalainen was still the Jackets GM I could see him trading BOONE Jenner for Kakko.

Rangers have 5 core players 30 or older

Kreider
Zibby
Panarin
Trouba
Goodrow

You can count brodzinski too but he’s their 13 fwd/injury fill in….

Goodrow and Trouba could be moved as early as this offseason.

Zibby/tro/Panarin will all be here for 2 years or longer….
Rangers have a good solid stream of talent coming up thru the ranks.
Perrault is the headliner, but guys like Othmann/berard/sykora etc should all fit in the top 9 nicely with their skill and style of play….
Edstrom/rempe/Cuylle have demonstrated they are nhl players as well.
Chytil is a wildcard….. he could be done, or come back healthy. He’s another young talented big body player.
NYR is going a contender for a while…… they no longer should have to overpay for bottom 6 talent/role players which bit us in the ass in years past.
They will be a playoff team for quite a long time.
They are also 1 of the premier UFA destinations. If needed, they will continue to add that route as well.

I think Kakko could be traded…. He and his agent may only want a 1 year deal. Kakko might want to go to a team where he’ll get the opportunity for top 2 line minutes and pp/pk time…..

He’s kind of stuck in 3rd line atm in NY.
He doesn’t have chemistry with Zibby/kreider…… Zibby hasn’t looked great all year tbh…. He’s still getting points on the PP, but this might be the worst year for him playing wise in the last 4-5 seasons