Post-Game Talk: Habs lost twice in 24hrs, latest vs the Broons

[Theodore450]

This wasn't you?

"When your coach lets you come in and do wtv you want,can’t blame the players for checking out. No accountability"

Nice use of equivocation.
But to be fair maybe I should be more clear

Yes they show up to play, no they don’t play at 100%

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Most can’t see what a great situation Hughes was given. 3 years of trash and we have nothing to show for it. You would think at the bare minimum they would have an identity?


Hard working team -no
Fast team -no
Physical team-no
East- west team-no
Grind down low team -no
Defensive team- no
Offensive team -no

We are a
Chase the other team who has the puck and do what your instincts tell you team.
Oh and make sure you stick to the perimeter and don’t attack the net.
We are a worst version of the leafs from years ago

Great message after 3 years, I hope they practiced that stupid lil celebration they do after wins because the fans are still mad about Price and Subban.

Bunch of sheeps

Exactly, you watch other teams in the NHL play and it's not even the same game, we are leagues apart from the top teams, and sure a lot of it is because our players suck but some of it has to come down to coaching

The only coach I really want right now is Torts just so we can stop singing Kumbaya in the dressing room

 

[HabbyGuy]

Nice use of equivocation.
But to be fair maybe I should be more clear

Yes they show up to play, no they don’t play at 100%

Thank you.

 

[Theodore450]

Thank you for clarification.

No problem. It’s kinda like going to work and showing up on time but realizing all your coworkers and managers are just lost.
There’s nothing you can do but check in but still be checked out haha

 

[hvac412]

Ask yourself this. Was the 4th round pick worth the scenario you’re currently in? It’s called risk management and Hughes plays GM like a PlayStation game thinking he can plug in players and remove people ahead of the depth chart and there won’t be any problems.
He moved a guy in the age range for a 4th. We don’t need a 4th we need a better team

He' s proving to be an inexperiaced GM and i don't trust what he's going to do next based on his record so far, but you can go back to the very begining of the rebuild where they waisted 6 months by keeping Ducharme around,that was a head scratcher.In the end were as disgusted and disinterested in watching right now as we were before the rebuild, how is that positive in any way ?

 

[Theodore450]

Exactly, you watch other teams in the NHL play and it's not even the same game, we are leagues apart from the top teams, and sure a lot of it is because our players suck but some of it has to come down to coaching

The only coach I really want right now is Torts just so we can stop singing Kumbaya in the dressing room

It’s fine because when more Vets leave we will suddenly be better!
That’s the path to success. It’s all the vets that suck, not the team !

 

[Habs]

Kovacevic is a real head scratcher, the guy was a +11 on our dumpster fire of a team last season. 6'5" beast of a man. Makes no sense, Hugo fu.ked up on that one.

AND a RHD , everything this team splooges over.

 

[Theodore450]

He' s proving to be an inexperiaced GM and i don't trust what he's going to do next based on his record so far, but you can go back to the very begining of the rebuild where they waisted 6 months by keeping Ducharme around,that was a head scratcher.In the end were as disgusted and disinterested in watching right now as we were before the rebuild, how is that positive in any way ?

The head scratcher for me was moving Lehky for a guy that was obvious heading for bust. If you have low Iq as a dman you will not play in this league.

But 1st round pick means good so he had to do it

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

AND a RHD , everything this team splooges over.

If Reinbacher becomes Kovacevic level it will be a great pick

 

[hvac412]

The head scratcher for me was moving Lehky for a guy that was obvious heading for bust. If you have low Iq as a dman you will not play in this league.

But 1st round pick means good so he had to do it

The head scratcher for me was moving Lehky for a guy that was obvious heading for bust. If you have low Iq as a dman you will not play in this league.

But 1st round pick means good so he had to do it

KH is looking like a kid in a candy store who prefers 10 one cent candies to a couple of more expensive but better items.

 

[WeThreeKings]

But you were so adamant that this team would take a step forward this year? There's hundreds of posts from you this summer saying we're not a bottom-5 team anymore.

Hughes took the team from worst in the league in 2021 to worst in the league in 2024

We shouldn't be a bottom 5 team anymore - but if that is what happens this year, oh no, we've added another top 5 pick to the organization.

I also said that I expected them to shift to the 8-12 range, by no means was I projecting this team the playoffs.

You know how many points we are away from being 8th in the draft? 4 points.

This is what rebuilds are, we expected and hoped Slaf would take the back half of his season and build on it to start this year. He has not to this point but still remained fairly productive despite his struggles and eventually he will pick it back up.

Dach's struggles have taken longer to correct after the injury that we expected. That's hurt.

Laine hasn't played a shift. That immediately put a damper on things.

Someone said it before, but the expectation seems to be like a video game, you earn experience points, you get better and you never crater. It's rarely like that. There's gonna be a stretch of highs and a stretch of lows, we are seeing the lows off the start of the season so it optically looks worse than it is.

There are concerning things with Marty that I won't dodge at all but the alternatives are much worse than seeing if he can develop as a coach, there's no panic here to push things forward and risk ending up like the Detroit Red Wings with a stretched cap table on a bunch of new mediocre UFA depth forwards and defenseman.

We've graduated 2 players from the rebuild so far.. and one of them had 50 points as a 19 year old, the other is in the conversation for the calder this year.

You guys are looking at our rebuild from a micro shift to shift level and looking at every successful rebuild from a macro level. I guarantee you, they all went through things like this.. the only team that didn't created a core so soft and wilting in adversity, they're a laughing stock known as the Leafs.

I'd much rather this group of players find their way through the adversity, or weed themselves out now, versus becoming the Toronto Maple Leafs.

I'm also glad we aren't doing the Detroit Red Wings thing and playing in the mid UFA market to artifically push things into no man's land.

 

[HabbyGuy]

We shouldn't be a bottom 5 team anymore - but if that is what happens this year, oh no, we've added another top 5 pick to the organization.

I also said that I expected them to shift to the 8-12 range, by no means was I projecting this team the playoffs.

You know how many points we are away from being 8th in the draft? 4 points.

This is what rebuilds are, we expected and hoped Slaf would take the back half of his season and build on it to start this year. He has not to this point but still remained fairly productive despite his struggles and eventually he will pick it back up.

Dach's struggles have taken longer to correct after the injury that we expected. That's hurt.

Laine hasn't played a shift. That immediately put a damper on things.

Someone said it before, but the expectation seems to be like a video game, you earn experience points, you get better and you never crater. It's rarely like that. There's gonna be a stretch of highs and a stretch of lows, we are seeing the lows off the start of the season so it optically looks worse than it is.

There are concerning things with Marty that I won't dodge at all but the alternatives are much worse than seeing if he can develop as a coach, there's no panic here to push things forward and risk ending up like the Detroit Red Wings with a stretched cap table on a bunch of new mediocre UFA depth forwards and defenseman.

We've graduated 2 players from the rebuild so far.. and one of them had 50 points as a 19 year old, the other is in the conversation for the calder this year.

You guys are looking at our rebuild from a micro shift to shift level and looking at every successful rebuild from a macro level. I guarantee you, they all went through things like this.. the only team that didn't created a core so soft and wilting in adversity, they're a laughing stock known as the Leafs.

I'd much rather this group of players find their way through the adversity, or weed themselves out now, versus becoming the Toronto Maple Leafs.

I'm also glad we aren't doing the Detroit Red Wings thing and playing in the mid UFA market to artifically push things into no man's land.

Ahhh, some sanity. Thank you, more please.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Most can’t see what a great situation Hughes was given.

Do you really expect for people to take you seriously after that sort of comment? I guess you are an unheralded genius for seeing what everybody else can't see.

I guess if his name was Marc Bergevin, you'd spin it the other way around, unobstructed by any logic and objectivity, seeing how the team was playing ,256 when Hughes took over, an all-time Habs record if Ducharme had stayed on for the whole season, how our cupboards were filled with hopefuls and no blue chip prospects. The core was basically Suzuki, Caufield, Guhle and nothing else.

Hughes has no other choice to play the long game considering the absolute suckitude of the roster he inherited.

 

[Andy]

I know thread title says they lost twice. But they were the better team against the rangers by far. That should not have been a loss.

Goaltending has been below average in terms of bailing this team out. Every team has goaltenders that cover for defensive breakdowns. I find Monty and Primeau aren't doing at even an average enough rate.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

He' s proving to be an inexperiaced GM and i don't trust what he's going to do next based on his record so far, but you can go back to the very begining of the rebuild where they waisted 6 months by keeping Ducharme around,that was a head scratcher.In the end were as disgusted and disinterested in watching right now as we were before the rebuild, how is that positive in any way ?

Gorton was hired on November 28th and Hughes was hired January 18th and MSL started on February 10th.

I don't know where you get your 6 months, but Ducharme was canned less than 2 and a half months after Gorton's hire and less than a month after Hughes's hire.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Gorton was hired on November 28th and Hughes was hired January 18th and MSL started on February 10th.

I don't know where you get your 6 months, but Ducharme was canned less than 2 and a half months after Gorton's hire and less than a month after Hughes's hire.

Crazy how narratives can get out of hand and get more Flanderized the more frustrated and impatient people get.

 

[Theodore450]

Do you really expect for people to take you seriously after that sort of comment? I guess you are an unheralded genius for seeing what everybody else can't see.

I guess if his name was Marc Bergevin, you'd spin it the other way around, unobstructed by any logic and objectivity, seeing how the team was playing ,256 when Hughes took over, an all-time Habs record if Ducharme had stayed on for the whole season, how our cupboards were filled with hopefuls and no blue chip prospects. The core was basically Suzuki, Caufield, Guhle and nothing else.

Hughes has no other choice to play the long game considering the absolute suckitude of the roster he inherited.

if your gonna play the long term game, hire a real coach and implement a system. Sell your assets before Plato tanks their value talking about I don’t believe in systems.

Our cupboards are still bare.
All the picks we’ve drafted in the last 3 years comes from these assets that were leftover.
This roster is way worse and has a way worse coach.

Don’t let you hatred of Marc Bergevin take you away from the bigger picture kid

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

if your gonna play the long term game, hire a real coach and implement a system. Sell your assets before Plato tanks their value talking about I don’t believe in systems.

Our cupboards are still bare.
All the picks we’ve drafted in the last 3 years comes from these assets that were leftover.
This roster is way worse and has a way worse coach.

Don’t let you hatred of Marc Bergevin take you away from the bigger picture kid

Gtfo with your "kid", I'm probably older than you are and considering the huge bias of saying "hughes inherited a great situation", I wouldn't put any faith in your level of maturity, no matter what age you are.

The most important part of the rebuild are the picks. That's the big picture, kid. Anything else is secondary and will get sorted with time. Any harping on the secondary considerations is wholly premature and only serves the malcontent so they can vent by creating delusional narratives that obfuscate the reality of a rebuild.

 

[Runner77]

Reinbacher's injury just amplifies the loss of Kovacevic, he would of had plenty of opportunity for reps with the big club this year. Hughes when trading Kovy did it with a healthy Reinbacher in tow. He needed the space for guys like him.

Saying the trade was a mistake is making that assertion in hindsight. The whole Reinbacher injury just sucks in general.

That said Kovy would definitely help now.

Kovy was making nothing this season. You always need depth on D and Reinbacher could have been sent down to start.

 

[Jurivan Demidovsky]

AND a RHD , everything this team splooges over.

Very bad and disappointing move, Kova was extremely solid and stable for us. Hugo are dumb at times, it's worrisome.

 

[Jurivan Demidovsky]

Reinbacher's injury just amplifies the loss of Kovacevic, he would of had plenty of opportunity for reps with the big club this year. Hughes when trading Kovy did it with a healthy Reinbacher in tow. He needed the space for guys like him.

Saying the trade was a mistake is making that assertion in hindsight. The whole Reinbacher injury just sucks in general.

That said Kovy would definitely help now.

Reinbacher needed a full year in Laval anyways, it just makes no sense. Why lose a solid 27 year old monster for nothing? Bergevin vibes, not impressed.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Guess you didn't watch the season after the cup finals run.

Roster between 98 to 01 were bad too. When Damphousse was traded and only Koivu remained at center. Then Koivu was injured often and Kilger, Zoltok or Darby were our best centers.

Reinbacher needed a full year in Laval anyways, it just makes no sense. Why lose a solid 27 year old monster for nothing? Bergevin vibes, not impressed.

Agree. To think Reinbacher would be NHL ready that soon is head scratching. Laval was his place to be. At least until TDL if a good offer for Kova and Rein doing well in Laval.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Reinbacher needed a full year in Laval anyways, it just makes no sense. Why lose a solid 27 year old monster for nothing? Bergevin vibes, not impressed.

This whole board wants to trade half the roster that is well under 27 for nothing..

but they did it because not moving him means sending down young defenseman who shouldn't be sent down, or waiving guys they still have a lot of time for (i.e. Barron).

We saw what Kovacevic gave our roster, we got the 5th overall pick. He's not a needle mover and is not someone you keep over ice time for young players in a rebuild.

 

[Jurivan Demidovsky]

Agree. To think Reinbacher would be NHL ready that soon is head scratching. Laval was his place to be. At least until TDL if a good offer for Kova and Rein doing well in LavLaval.

I'm a little worried that Hugo have a fox hole going on. Something feels off. They bring in a guy like Newhook but dump a 6"5 monster like Kova who costs nothing.. Just leaves a bad taste in your mouth. Guys like Kova are rare, he could have paired with Hutson this season.

This whole board wants to trade half the roster that is well under 27 for nothing..

but they did it because not moving him means sending down young defenseman who shouldn't be sent down, or waiving guys they still have a lot of time for (i.e. Barron).

We saw what Kovacevic gave our roster, we got the 5th overall pick. He's not a needle mover and is not someone you keep over ice time for young players in a rebuild.

We're so thin on the RD though.. and we all knew Barron needed more Laval time but because of waivers we have to keep him up. We have nothing on the right side right now, so thin we have to play Guhle there. Savard should have been dumped over Kova.

 

[admiralcadillac]

Point is they’re not better than last year, their aggregate performance is flat at best (Matheson, Barron) or significantly worse (Dach, Newhook) in comparison.

These are his acquisition targets and they’ve either peaked already or are unable to peak when we need them to. Bad judgement to acquire players like this.

I’m definitely not in that category and the point is he’s had more than enough time to churn through the roster if he wanted. He decided to retain Anderson when his value was high. He didn’t sell Savard and now Savard’s looks cooked.

On one hand we have all this talk about assets and the cold arithmetic of tanking and losing… on the other hand we see excuses made for a majority of Hughes moves (including the 5OA 2023) that have proven to be worth reevaluating.

Maybe Hughes looks passable after a sober reevaluation but the blind faith is inappropriate.

Have you consideted the team isn’t better because they’re rebuilding and haven’t added any of the following:

- Demidov
- Reinbacher
- Laine
- any free agent

How much better do you expect the team to be? The young players are doing as well or better than they were, and the veterans are playing abysmally short of Gallagher.

Everyonene needs to remember, we've had 3 top 5 picks and only 1 is on the roster at the moment. It takes time for improvement to happen. + Laine is out. My hope for the team was 80-85 points with Laine and maybe Reinbacher.

Exactly