Post-Game Talk: Habs lose to the Leafs. Fail to clinch.

[Habs10Habs]

Sens won today and playoffs are set with Toronto vs Ottawa, One of them will advance. Take your pick.

Ottawa, but only because I'm surrounded by freaking Leaf fans. So my summer would suck lol

 

[OldCraig71]

Or, you know, maybe he's 21 years old and not anywhere close to a finished product

I never claimed he was; I just remarked on what I am seeing from him and what he needs to do to get to the next level. That's about it. You can go back and check the Slaf thread(s), and I have very rarely posted anything there. I am not a hater of Slaf but I see what he can be He has to start implementing more drive in his game; now is the time to do it.

The points dont matter as much as the fundamentals. Yes, he has improved in that aspect but he is also being given every opportunity to do so in playing with our best player. I want to see a bit more of Josh Anderson or Tom Wilson in him because he might not end up being an 80-point player or a first liner for that matter.

There have been times when I have seen it and praised him, but it isn't often enough. The time will come when he will be on the second line, maybe in October and we will see how he does.

 

[Tyson]

Yeah i gotta agree

Last night is on Marty

Just unacceptable coaching and line up decisions
Just brutal

Hughes and Gorton need to purge this line up a bit in the summer so we get rid of these guys Marty is obsessed with overplaying

If I see Matheson, Savard, Armia in this line up next year somebody's in trouble, I don't know who but somebody lol

You will see Matheson and I would not be surprised if he was extended. I am not advocating for it, just being realistic, Hughes loves this player.

 

[McGees]

Matheson should be 3rd pair + pp2

 

[Habano]

Thought Struble was tough though….

He's strong but he needs to be tougher on the ice, especially when X isn't dressed. Guhle can't be the one dishing out all the hits and fighting

 

[CzarDemidov]

I never claimed he was; I just remarked on what I am seeing from him and what he needs to do to get to the next level. That's about it. You can go back and check the Slaf thread(s), and I have very rarely posted anything there. I am not a hater of Slaf but I see what he can be He has to start implementing more drive in his game; now is the time to do it.

The points dont matter as much as the fundamentals. Yes, he has improved in that aspect but he is also being given every opportunity to do so in playing with our best player. I want to see a bit more of Josh Anderson or Tom Wilson in him because he might not end up being an 80-point player or a first liner for that matter.

There have been times when I have seen it and praised him, but it isn't often enough. The time will come when he will be on the second line, maybe in October and we will see how he does.

This is the trick — you’re not allowed to criticise his game to game performance because he’s only 21, but after he has a good game you have to apologize for ever doubting his present day unicorn greatness.

It’s pretty ridiculous on its face but if you push back on this moronic paradigm you get labeled a hater.

 

[The Real Timo]

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[MarkovsKnee]

Sens won today and playoffs are set with Toronto vs Ottawa, One of them will advance. Take your pick.

While it's likely, Toronto hasn't clinched the Division yet. They're 3 points from doing so.

Ottawa has clinched WC1. Florida can't finish higher than #2 spot.

TB can still finish anywhere from 1-3.

 

[Miller Time]

I never claimed he was; I just remarked on what I am seeing from him and what he needs to do to get to the next level. That's about it. You can go back and check the Slaf thread(s), and I have very rarely posted anything there. I am not a hater of Slaf but I see what he can be He has to start implementing more drive in his game; now is the time to do it.

I see more than enough "drive" out of him... Knowing he's a 21-year old athlete is different than understanding what the impact of age and professional maturity has on performance.

Stating that a 21 year old athlete has "things to improve on" kinda falls in the captain obvious territory.

Criticizing a young player for not being consistent, in a game where he was as or more consistent in his performance and impact than his elder peers and his elder elite opponents, remains silly to me... But to each their own.

This is the post game thread, so we are talking about his play last night here, n'est ce pas?

The points dont matter as much as the fundamentals. Yes, he has improved in that aspect but he is also being given every opportunity to do so in playing with our best player. I want to see a bit more of Josh Anderson or Tom Wilson in him because he might not end up being an 80-point player or a first liner for that matter.

I disagree with you there big time. He has already shown more than enough skill and ability to clarify that he is nothing at all like a Tom Wilson or a Josh Anderson. He has shown enough to give reason to believe he will be a ppg+ player when he hits his peak. all this exaggerated doubt and skepticism is not grounded in what is easily observable or projectable. Wether he actualizes it or not remains to be seen, but isn't more or less likely based on a good or bad game.

In Last night's game his performance with the puck & without the puck was on par with the best forwards in the game. he displayed on several shifts the most impact on the ice despite being 21 and much younger than the other top forwards in the game on either squad. That's where the criticism, nitpicking and skepticism seem very ungrounded... in particular in the context of what we all watched last night, which is what this thread is ostensibly focused on.

There have been times when I have seen it and praised him, but it isn't often enough. The time will come when he will be on the second line, maybe in October and we will see how he does.

the game to game variability in one's assessment is not something that I share nor agree with. That's more emotionality than anything else. discussing a player and their progress and the areas they have to work on needs to be viewed from a much broader lens to be of any substance imo. nitpicking individual games, in particular one where the player played!, well doesn't make much sense unless it's simply to vent... in which case no problem vent away!

Resorting to strawmen and baseless retorts will result in funny memes and the bad take being called out, that's what a message board is all about, no harm intended!

 

[ahmedou]

We got 1 point. Way better than 0 point.

We lost only by 0-1. Way better than losing by 0-35.

 

[morhilane]

The only problem is that means sens will advance. I hate them just as much if not more.

Leafs vs Sens will be the most annoying series. I want them both to lose!

 

[OldCraig71]

I see more than enough "drive" out of him... Knowing he's a 21-year old athlete is different than understanding what the impact of age and professional maturity has on performance.

Stating that a 21 year old athlete has "things to improve on" kinda falls in the captain obvious territory.

Criticizing a young player for not being consistent, in a game where he was as or more consistent in his performance and impact than his elder peers and his elder elite opponents, remains silly to me... But to each their own.

This is the post game thread, so we are talking about his play last night here, n'est ce pas?




I disagree with you there big time. He has already shown more than enough skill and ability to clarify that he is nothing at all like a Tom Wilson or a Josh Anderson. He has shown enough to give reason to believe he will be a ppg+ player when he hits his peak. all this exaggerated doubt and skepticism is not grounded in what is easily observable or projectable. Wether he actualizes it or not remains to be seen, but isn't more or less likely based on a good or bad game.

In Last night's game his performance with the puck & without the puck was on par with the best forwards in the game. he displayed on several shifts the most impact on the ice despite being 21 and much younger than the other top forwards in the game on either squad. That's where the criticism, nitpicking and skepticism seem very ungrounded... in particular in the context of what we all watched last night, which is what this thread is ostensibly focused on.



the game to game variability in one's assessment is not something that I share nor agree with. That's more emotionality than anything else. discussing a player and their progress and the areas they have to work on needs to be viewed from a much broader lens to be of any substance imo. nitpicking individual games, in particular one where the player played!, well doesn't make much sense unless it's simply to vent... in which case no problem vent away!

Resorting to strawmen and baseless retorts will result in funny memes and the bad take being called out, that's what a message board is all about, no harm intended!

I don't think my take is bad at all. He is finishing year three in the NHL and for me to want to see him play with more of an edge isn't baseless or crazy; it's just what I would like to see from him. I want to see him play with more speed, I want to see a better shot release from him. None of that is based on emotions at all.

 

[Miller Time]

I don't think my take is bad at all. He is finishing year three in the NHL and for me to want to see him play with more of an edge is baseless or crazy; it's just what I would like to see from him. I want to see him play with more speed, I want to see a better shot release from him. None of that is based on emotions at all.

Would be great if every player in the lineup:
- played with more of an edge
- played with more speed
- had a better shot release

I want an ompalompa, but being frustrated because they don't exist is on me, not on them

 

[OldCraig71]

Would be great if every player in the lineup:
- played with more of an edge
- played with more speed
- had a better shot release

I want an ompalompa, but being frustrated because they don't exist is on me, not on them

Not every player on the roster signed a 8 year 60 million dollar deal.
Not every player on the roster was a first overall pick
Not every player on the roster is a future core piece, and many are interchangeable.

There is nothing wrong with having expectations for a young player and wanting to see them take the next step. Alex Lafreniere was a first overall pick who is a .5 points per game player over a 5-year NHL career. I have read many "baseless" "emotional" takes like mine from Ranger fans about what they see from him and what they would like to see him improve on. I have also read replies like the ones you are writing back to me, done in somewhat of a mocking tone from posters who saw the bigger picture, not all progression is linear, etc.

You are no more right than I am, and time will tell how he turns out. I say this as a fan of the good I have seen from him and certainly not a detractor or hater of all things Slafkovsky. Talk to me in a few years(if I'm still alive ) and we will see where he stands.

The Demidov show is about to start and Slaf won't be under the spotlight as much in the future and that might be for the best.

 

[Miller Time]

Not every player on the roster signed a 8 year 60 million dollar deal.
Not every player on the roster was a first overall pick
Not every player on the roster is a future core piece, and many are interchangeable.

Back to talking about the future... Your skepticism seems unwarranted based on his progress thus far + age.

It seems silly in a thread about a game where he looked as dangerous and impactful as anyone in either top 6, despite the mix of top 6 fwds being an elite group of performers in their primes

There is nothing wrong with having expectations for a young player and wanting to see them take the next step. Alex Lafreniere was a first overall pick who is a .5 points per game player over a 5-year NHL career. I have read many "baseless" "emotional" takes like mine from Ranger fans about what they see from him and what they would like to see him improve on. I have also read replies like the ones you are writing back to me, done in somewhat of a mocking tone from posters who saw the bigger picture, not all progression is linear, etc.

Sure. But complaining about unrealistic expectations not being met is kinda silly imo.

You are no more right than I am, and time will tell how he turns out. I say this as a fan of the good I have seen from him and certainly not a detractor or hater of all things Slafkovsky. Talk to me in a few years(if I'm still alive ) and we will see where he stands.

Not all takes are equal.

I look forward to cheers-ing with you as we celebrate his HOF induction in a few decades from now, in person, my treat

The Demidov show is about to start and Slaf won't be under the spotlight as much in the future and that might be for the best.

If all it does is shift the complaining (not necessarily from you) to that youngster, because a bunch of posters are mad he's notconsistently the player they want him to be right away, it won't be any relief lol

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Yeah I think if you go back to the start of the season and say “would you be happy being 5 points up Vs one other team in the playoff race at game 80”….what’s your reply??

MSL should sit one of Savard or Matheson for Mondays game. Pezz will sit for Demidov. IMHO, he should have done this Vs T.O.

I personally would bench Savard. I get that he’s a right shot but…

Anyways, there will always be moves you agree or disagree with. Big picture though, I think he’s been a good coach. That doesn’t mean he’ll be the guy to bring us a cup. But if we do win one with a different coach, MSL will deserve a lot of credit regardless. He’s done a great job developing the team.

 

[expy]

I personally would bench Savard. I get that he’s a right shot but…

Definitely needs to be scratched, I don't really care if he's "good in the lockerroom", he's too slow on the ice for the current game.

 

[CHfan1]

I personally would bench Savard. I get that he’s a right shot but…

I wonder if that’s the reason he’s playing (other than the PK). They don’t want to play 5 left handed defencemen.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Definitely needs to be scratched, I don't really care if he's "good in the lockerroom", he's too slow on the ice for the current game.

Unfortunately he’s also one of only two right shot blueliners we have.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I wonder if that’s the reason he’s playing (other than the PK). They don’t want to play 5 left handed defencemen.

For sure. It’s a problem we’ve had all year. We’ve already got at least one guy playing on his wrong side, they don’t want two.

 

[expy]

Unfortunately he’s also one of only two right shot blueliners we have.

I don't think it's that important if the trade-off is being 40% slower/physical/skilled than the next available guy.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I don't think it's that important if the trade-off is being 40% slower/physical/skilled than the next available guy.

Okay but Struble and X are young. I’m not sure how effective either would be on the right side.

As I said, I’d sit Savard. But I understand why he’s not going that route.

 

[expy]

Okay but Struble and X are young. I’m not sure how effective either would be on the right side.

As I said, I’d sit Savard. But I understand why he’s not going that route.

I mean, don't we also have Reinbacher up with the team still?

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I mean, don't we also have Reinbacher up with the team still?

How healthy is he? Do they want trial by fire for him or or we better off just letting him go for a championship with Laval.

 

[expy]

How healthy is he? Do they want trial by fire for him or or we better off just letting him go for a championship with Laval.

He would already be down there then, no? Honestly not sure wth the coaching staff is doing tbh.