Post-Game Talk: Habs lose to the Blues. Fail to come back from another large deficit.

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MSL is still making rookie mistake. Monty needed a break, this was very clear in the last two games and I continue to believe that his defensive system is crap. STL was having way to much fun in our zone moving around, creating pick and opening shooting lane. When you spend 50s defending and chasing the puck, you have nothing left in the tank to "dump and chase" and hope you can sustain a good forecheck.

Hope they start Dobes next game.
 
Oh no we lost, 8-2-4 in our last 14. Whatever will we do!?

That STL team is firing on all cylinders, wouldn't want to face them in the 1st round of the playoffs, western teams beware.

Boy's just didn't have it tonight. Sucks because every game is so important, but it happens.

Get back on the horse for the next one.

I'm not in a panic mode but we saw the trend prior to 4 nations.

They go on a heater late December and January, and fall apart in the extended stretch of games prior to 4 nations break on the brink of being out of the playoff picture completely.

A repeat of that cycle is entirely possible.
 
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60 min effort doesn't come from off season building. You can have all the best players in the world with 0 effort and win nothing, while you can have sub-par players that play a full 60 and win above expected.

It's a matter of effort and I don't think they are doing it for a full game for a good while now. They are sleeping and catching on too late and it's gonna cost us.
No team can always give 60 minute efforts. Habs are this position along with a bunch of others teams because they have holes in their lineup. Their effort level is fine. Their problem is they are trying to make the playoffs with only one third of a second line. You add a second line center and a second line winger to this team and we are not having ridiculous discussions about effort lol.
 
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Montembeault didn’t play well, and, imo, they should have started Dobes to give him a rest. But I don’t think Montreal would have won this with Price in net. The team in front of Montembeault (or whoever is in net) has to play better if they are going to make the playoffs.
 
Another bad game for the team, and this time they weren't able to crawl back from a deficit. I'm not too excited about the next few games in the schedule, but hopefully they can turn things around and come out strong. The last few starts have not been encouraging but they've been lucky enough to bank a few much needed points.
 
oh and Savard, they hung onto that fat useless piece of chicken because 'he's local and great in the room'
Wasted assets on Dach and Newhook and didn’t capitalized on Matheson and Savard value.

We would be a lot further in on cup building team if management didn’t pander so much to the fefans and I suspect Molson wants playoff revenue.
 
Not a very good outing from the team. Didn't really get going until partway through the 2nd and they didn't really get a chance to win from their goaltender. Blues outplayed them pretty badly. We were sort of due for a stinker.

We need to get right back up and win the next one if the team is gonna be serious about making the playoffs. We still have arguably the easiest remaining schedule among the teams fighting for that last wildcard spot, but there is very little margin for error.
 
Kept Matheson when his value was sky high because “In da mix” is more important than building a cup contender.
Yes, absolutely. We can't be a bottom feeder forever. Playing games that matter this late into the season helps. Plus, what would they have gotten for Matheson? At best, a late first who may or may not ever have a huge impact on the team.
oh and Savard, they hung onto that fat useless piece of chicken because 'he's local and great in the room'
Savard isn't great but without him right now, we have Mailloux or Lindstrom in the lineup now and the team is doing even worse defensively.
 
Sure.

But the Habs are a team playing in this league. Any assessment of their performance should be grounded within that context, no?... Just as any assessment of the coaching efficacy needs to be grounded in both the league and roster context.

The comment "Prepared teams in this league smack us" isn't grounded in either.
My statement is within the context of playing for and winning a cup , which means being able to beat the same opponent 4 times within 2 weeks..

They are exactly where they should be. A fringe playoff team when the right guys are hot.

Sure our coach has us playing over are head during the regular season, but if where looking at the big picture, which is sustainable winning against the best teams in the league, to me, he is not the coach for that.



Our system is too easy to beat and easy to expose against great prepared teams. The roster IMO wont change any of that.

Smart players will be told by smart coaches to cycle us and force everyone on the ice to be out of position. There no uniformity in the D zone.

Playoffs is about simplifying the game, so I think its reasonable to attack the efficacy of the coaching, when this system is the direct reason we wont be a cup contending team no matter who we ice.

I can see him having a Bruce Boudreau, or Sheldon Keefe career as a coach. Great playing random teams at random times of the year, terrible when pre scouted terrible in the playoffs.

Does this make him a bad coach? No, but it does mean we will get outcoached.
Last night was a prime example
Go look at all the goals scored.
 
The Habs have been going all out and playing for their playoff lives since the break and it looks like fatigue might be setting in a bit here. Plus MSL as played Monty way too much this season and this overuse has really been starting to show in his play recently.

Monty as played in 53 of the Habs 70 games this season and very likely will play over 60 games before this season ends and that's quite a heavy workload for a goalie who's previous career high for games played in a season was 41 games.

If MSL or Hughes doesn't have enough confidence playing their current back up goalies more, then Hughes will have to address that issue before next season to help keep Monty's games played down more next season.

Monty's last 5 games played.

 
The Habs have been going all out and playing for their playoff lives since the break and it looks like fatigue might be setting in a bit here.
Don't think so. We were against a team fighting for a playoff spot with more experience than us. Also while Binnington is pretty bad a stoppping pucks he's very good outside his net. Execpt for the first line our offense is based on dumping the puck and applying pressure which doesn't work against a goalie like Binnington.
 
Wasted assets on Dach and Newhook and didn’t capitalized on Matheson and Savard value.

We would be a lot further in on cup building team if management didn’t pander so much to the fefans and I suspect Molson wants playoff revenue.
so true man, they are so worried about a specific 'culture' and are worried about the backlash from a certain fringe of fans.
 
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Yes, absolutely. We can't be a bottom feeder forever. Playing games that matter this late into the season helps. Plus, what would they have gotten for Matheson? At best, a late first who may or may not ever have a huge impact on the team.

Savard isn't great but without him right now, we have Mailloux or Lindstrom in the lineup now and the team is doing even worse defensively.
I'm not sure about that to be honest. Maybe the first 30 games, but the last 30 Savard has been hot garbage at best. Gotta throw in the kids at some point, we did with Struble, Arbs and Harris.
 
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My statement is within the context of playing for and winning a cup , which means being able to beat the same opponent 4 times within 2 weeks..
So you thought this was a cup contending roster this year? Wow...

They are exactly where they should be. A fringe playoff team when the right guys are hot.
Not according to both this board and the concensus from media pundits heading into the season.

We are quite further ahead than most predicted... I was one of the few posters here that saw this level as realistic, and even then, I didn't think we'd hold this high if we ran into major injuries to key players.

Sure our coach has us playing over are head during the regular season, but if where looking at the big picture, which is sustainable winning against the best teams in the league, to me, he is not the coach for that.
Right... Because he'll get less out of an improved roster lol

Possible, just not very likely.
Our system is too easy to beat and easy to expose against great prepared teams. The roster IMO wont change any of that.
Couldn't disagree more.
Smart players will be told by smart coaches to cycle us and force everyone on the ice to be out of position. There no uniformity in the D zone.
Again, could not disagree more.
Playoffs is about simplifying the game, so I think its reasonable to attack the efficacy of the coaching, when this system is the direct reason we wont be a cup contending team no matter who we ice.
Right... Quick question, how many cups have you won or been a part of?

I can see him having a Bruce Boudreau, or Sheldon Keefe career as a coach. Great playing random teams at random times of the year, terrible when pre scouted terrible in the playoffs.
This is perhaps the worst take you've offered. The comparisons are so off base as to wonder if you've ever actually listened to either Keefe or Boudreau discuss hockey...
Does this make him a bad coach? No, but it does mean we will get outcoached.
Last night was a prime example
Go look at all the goals scored.

You mean last night when the Habs lost to the hottest team in the league that has beat the Caps, Avs & Kings 2x during their current league best run since Feb ... The same Blues team that has scored 5+ goals in 1/4 of their games in hat stretch.

Its one thing to acknowledge context matters, it's another to actually apply it. While personal & emotional preference is what it is (beauty is in the eye of the beholder) your argument is largely incoherent with the ways coaching affects team and sport performance.

Objectively, the Habs have improved in key metrics (points, GF, GA, special teams efficiency), and this despite minimal roster turnover and offseason/in season player acquisition.

We also have one of the youngest rosters in the league (2nd to Buffalo but I believe that includes Price).

Qualitatively, the available information suggests that the roster is very much bought in and aligned with the coaching staff (despite the rebuild process and associated losing).

Coaching is quite clearly a strength for our organization right now. Assuming the tactical and game management decisions will remain static as the roster improves and as the organization pivots out of rebuild focus is.... A very poor assumption.

How well MSL & co. will adapt to being a top roster with high performance pressure and greater scrutiny & preparation from opposing teams, remains to be seen. But there is zero reason to assume the worst, and it's pretty foolish to hold up individual poor game outcomes (while ignoring the full context) as some kind of evidence of coaching inadequacy.
 
They would rather waste 1st and 2nd rd picks on bottom line forwards like Dach and Newhook than a 3rd pick for Holloway.
Offer sheets are tricky.............if you get the scenario wrong ala Bergevin, you get schooled by an owner who held a chip on his shoulder. Bergevin lost out on Aho, and then they took KK and laughed all the way home....
 
They would rather waste 1st and 2nd rd picks on bottom line forwards like Dach and Newhook than a 3rd pick for Holloway.
The only way the offer sheet would be successful is to offer sheet both Broberg and Holloway. No idea if Habs could do that. Ansd of course have the other team have a bumbling fool of a GM that was even too stupid to just match one of them.
 
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Don't think so. We were against a team fighting for a playoff spot with more experience than us. Also while Binnington is pretty bad a stoppping pucks he's very good outside his net. Execpt for the first line our offense is based on dumping the puck and applying pressure which doesn't work against a goalie like Binnington.
Felt like watching 90’s Devils wondering why the boys look like they’re skating in molasses.

I wonder if lobbing it out of the zone instead of increasing puck support and trying shorter passes on zone exits might not be part of it.
 
The only way the offer sheet would be successful is to offer sheet both Broberg and Holloway. No idea if Habs could do that. Ansd of course have the other team have a bumbling fool of a GM that was even too stupid to just match one of them.
Why could we not have done that?
 

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